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The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by
BlueMoonset (
talk) 17:05, 20 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Lamentably, I'll take up this review. ~
Pbritti (
talk) 06:32, 12 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Article is long enough, new enough, sourced appropriately, and has relevant citations adjacent to hook material. I'm counting four DYK noms—manually, so that may be incorrect—so no QPQ necessary. Hook is certainly "interesting". If there's a barnstar for "I hate that you did this, but you did a good job",
Knightoftheswords281 earned it. ~
Pbritti (
talk) 06:46, 12 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Oh, also, Earwig came back high but that 40%+ was entirely quotes in an otherwise extensive article, so I see no real issue with regard to the DYK nom. ~
Pbritti (
talk) 06:48, 12 July 2023 (UTC)reply
I've unpromoted this per
WP:ERRORS. It's not clear to me if this is "let's write a better hook", or "this shouldn't be on DYK at all". I think the later, so tentatively marking this (and not transcluding it back onto the approved list) pending further discussion. @
Sojourner in the earth,
Black Kite, and
Theleekycauldron:RoySmith(talk) 19:36, 16 July 2023 (UTC)reply
I'm actually not immediately persuaded by the
WP:DYK#gen4a argument, because no one seriously thinks that Livvy is a child predator. But I would like to point out
WP:VOICE, which says that we can't express things as facts if they're just opinions (or memes). The nomination is definitely salvageable, but it's a good question as to whether we can rework something about this incident or whether we'll have to go with something else entirely. The article has issues along similar lines.
theleekycauldron (
talk •
contribs) (she/her) 19:40, 16 July 2023 (UTC)reply
As I mentioned on
WP:ERRORS,
USA Today has repeated the terminology and further clarified "She didn’t literally flirt with Baby Gronk". As best I can tell, this has been a misunderstanding of the context of this event (as well as putting too much stock in internet reactions to said event). The exceptionally modern phraseology is repeated (sometimes with translation into less colloquial terms) in reliable sources and contributes to the notability of the article's subject. ~
Pbritti (
talk) 21:13, 16 July 2023 (UTC)reply
When journalists feel a need (or possibly a legal obligation) to clarify that the meme they're reporting on is not true, I would suggest that's a good reason not to run it on DYK in wiki-voice. See also the
NBC source: "While it's all fun and memes on social media, Dunne did not flirt with or try to seduce Madden."
Sojourner in the earth (
talk) 16:42, 17 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Considering the item again was a largely quirky entry, I don't see why we ought to be taking this rather unserious statement as literally as possible. Additionally, Baby Gronk himself (or more accurately, his father) labeled the situation using the term "rizz" (see
this video which is even linked in the article), and the term "rizz" is largely being used in a rather sarcastic manner; no one is seriously implying that Olivia Dunne and San Miguel are dating, let alone having a sexual relationship. —
Knightoftheswords 17:52, 17 July 2023 (UTC)reply
To survey current opinions: Knightoftheswords281 and I hold the same line that the terminology is appropriate in WikiVoice and well-referenced while theleekycauldron has reservations based on the same, Sojourner in the earth thinks there's a WikiVoice issue alongside an initial concern about making light of a potentially sexualized interaction between a child and an adult, AirshipJungleman29 doesn't think there was any implication in the hook of sexualization, and RoySmith has concerns but has not articulated them again following the present discussion. I think we're at an impasse. Unless someone can provide clear evidence one way or another as to whether we should run this, I defer to the seniority of the DYK regulars and what their consensus judgement is. ~
Pbritti (
talk) 00:50, 18 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Can someone explain how a word meaning "flirt" was understood to mean "having a sexual relationship"?
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk) 14:22, 17 July 2023 (UTC)reply
It has been over a month with no action or progress on this nomination, and absent any, I am going with the consensus by the regulars of wikivoice issues and am closing this as unsucessful.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 17:05, 20 August 2023 (UTC)reply
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The following passage should contain the modifying word “elite” before the word universities to accurately reflect the source which it is from as well as to provide precision because while it is true that acceptance rates are lower among elite universities, it is not true that acceptance rates are lower overall in universities. In fact admission rates have been trending upwards among universities in general. Only in the elite universities category is this an exception.[1]
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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
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The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by
BlueMoonset (
talk) 17:05, 20 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Lamentably, I'll take up this review. ~
Pbritti (
talk) 06:32, 12 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Article is long enough, new enough, sourced appropriately, and has relevant citations adjacent to hook material. I'm counting four DYK noms—manually, so that may be incorrect—so no QPQ necessary. Hook is certainly "interesting". If there's a barnstar for "I hate that you did this, but you did a good job",
Knightoftheswords281 earned it. ~
Pbritti (
talk) 06:46, 12 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Oh, also, Earwig came back high but that 40%+ was entirely quotes in an otherwise extensive article, so I see no real issue with regard to the DYK nom. ~
Pbritti (
talk) 06:48, 12 July 2023 (UTC)reply
I've unpromoted this per
WP:ERRORS. It's not clear to me if this is "let's write a better hook", or "this shouldn't be on DYK at all". I think the later, so tentatively marking this (and not transcluding it back onto the approved list) pending further discussion. @
Sojourner in the earth,
Black Kite, and
Theleekycauldron:RoySmith(talk) 19:36, 16 July 2023 (UTC)reply
I'm actually not immediately persuaded by the
WP:DYK#gen4a argument, because no one seriously thinks that Livvy is a child predator. But I would like to point out
WP:VOICE, which says that we can't express things as facts if they're just opinions (or memes). The nomination is definitely salvageable, but it's a good question as to whether we can rework something about this incident or whether we'll have to go with something else entirely. The article has issues along similar lines.
theleekycauldron (
talk •
contribs) (she/her) 19:40, 16 July 2023 (UTC)reply
As I mentioned on
WP:ERRORS,
USA Today has repeated the terminology and further clarified "She didn’t literally flirt with Baby Gronk". As best I can tell, this has been a misunderstanding of the context of this event (as well as putting too much stock in internet reactions to said event). The exceptionally modern phraseology is repeated (sometimes with translation into less colloquial terms) in reliable sources and contributes to the notability of the article's subject. ~
Pbritti (
talk) 21:13, 16 July 2023 (UTC)reply
When journalists feel a need (or possibly a legal obligation) to clarify that the meme they're reporting on is not true, I would suggest that's a good reason not to run it on DYK in wiki-voice. See also the
NBC source: "While it's all fun and memes on social media, Dunne did not flirt with or try to seduce Madden."
Sojourner in the earth (
talk) 16:42, 17 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Considering the item again was a largely quirky entry, I don't see why we ought to be taking this rather unserious statement as literally as possible. Additionally, Baby Gronk himself (or more accurately, his father) labeled the situation using the term "rizz" (see
this video which is even linked in the article), and the term "rizz" is largely being used in a rather sarcastic manner; no one is seriously implying that Olivia Dunne and San Miguel are dating, let alone having a sexual relationship. —
Knightoftheswords 17:52, 17 July 2023 (UTC)reply
To survey current opinions: Knightoftheswords281 and I hold the same line that the terminology is appropriate in WikiVoice and well-referenced while theleekycauldron has reservations based on the same, Sojourner in the earth thinks there's a WikiVoice issue alongside an initial concern about making light of a potentially sexualized interaction between a child and an adult, AirshipJungleman29 doesn't think there was any implication in the hook of sexualization, and RoySmith has concerns but has not articulated them again following the present discussion. I think we're at an impasse. Unless someone can provide clear evidence one way or another as to whether we should run this, I defer to the seniority of the DYK regulars and what their consensus judgement is. ~
Pbritti (
talk) 00:50, 18 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Can someone explain how a word meaning "flirt" was understood to mean "having a sexual relationship"?
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk) 14:22, 17 July 2023 (UTC)reply
It has been over a month with no action or progress on this nomination, and absent any, I am going with the consensus by the regulars of wikivoice issues and am closing this as unsucessful.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 17:05, 20 August 2023 (UTC)reply
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.
The following passage should contain the modifying word “elite” before the word universities to accurately reflect the source which it is from as well as to provide precision because while it is true that acceptance rates are lower among elite universities, it is not true that acceptance rates are lower overall in universities. In fact admission rates have been trending upwards among universities in general. Only in the elite universities category is this an exception.[1]