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I'm still trying to figure out how I got sucked into this article. I spent most of the time trying to keep this page unbiased once I figured out that user Mdahg was in grandson and author of the book, obvious by the fact that he has not posted since it came to light. My issue is this. I find no reference to a drug issue with Babe prior to the release of the book. I have come across references that he was accused of having short arms by his manager at the time on the Yankees but that's it. My feeling is that Mdahg has created this theory to promote his book therefore has no merit as an entry in Wikipedia. Is anybody against me completely deleting the second and third paragraph? This has surely been an education in research!-- Low2snow ( talk) 17:45, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Some things I've discovered browsing headlines in the NYT.com archives:
I'm still trying to figure out where the merits of the rumor fits in to it all. The only thing that stands out as odd are the references "undergoes physical", "to be inducted, married, 6 month old child", and "is rejected for service". My feeling is that the story is in there.-- Low2snow ( talk) 06:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Low2Snow - Although your post was dated January 2008, it was just recently brought to my attention. Let the record show that by your own admission you wrote about my book without having read it.
I would generally ignore such litter, but when somebody says that I “created” this theory to “promote” my book, well that is odious and utterly unfit for print.
It is obvious that your conclusion was formed based on the fact that you had never heard or read about the rumor before. This conclusion is irresponsible and shameful. The fact that nobody had ever really heard of Babe’s story is why I wrote the book; to once and for all shed light on and bring transparency to an issue that had been ignored and covered up for over fifty years while my grandfather was tormented daily. I doubt you’d understand that. Sadly, Babe’s house burned to the ground in 1980 destroying all pieces of correspondence i.e. letters from Kenesaw Mountain Landis and letters to various commissioners concerning this issue.
Since you’re unsure of the merits of the rumor in the book, I’ve listed a few additional sources for you to fact check; you’ll note several of these sources were long before my book was published which debunks your assertion that I “created” this theory.
I only stumbled over this page recently and noticed the controversy over the alleged "invention" of drug rumors by Babe's grandson. I met Matt a couple of years ago, while he was promoting his book. I bought it and enjoyed reading it, but I had already heard the rumors about ten years earlier. I wish I could remember exactly from whom I heard the story. (It wasn't from any of the sources listed by Matt in his post above. I recall that, at that time, I also heard that Babe had been blackballed by some owners due to his participation in the early pension plan negotiations as a player rep. Perhaps some of our other fans or researchers who go back to the Forties can contribute their own memories to this discussion? -- DutchmanInDisguise ( talk) 19:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
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I'm still trying to figure out how I got sucked into this article. I spent most of the time trying to keep this page unbiased once I figured out that user Mdahg was in grandson and author of the book, obvious by the fact that he has not posted since it came to light. My issue is this. I find no reference to a drug issue with Babe prior to the release of the book. I have come across references that he was accused of having short arms by his manager at the time on the Yankees but that's it. My feeling is that Mdahg has created this theory to promote his book therefore has no merit as an entry in Wikipedia. Is anybody against me completely deleting the second and third paragraph? This has surely been an education in research!-- Low2snow ( talk) 17:45, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Some things I've discovered browsing headlines in the NYT.com archives:
I'm still trying to figure out where the merits of the rumor fits in to it all. The only thing that stands out as odd are the references "undergoes physical", "to be inducted, married, 6 month old child", and "is rejected for service". My feeling is that the story is in there.-- Low2snow ( talk) 06:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Low2Snow - Although your post was dated January 2008, it was just recently brought to my attention. Let the record show that by your own admission you wrote about my book without having read it.
I would generally ignore such litter, but when somebody says that I “created” this theory to “promote” my book, well that is odious and utterly unfit for print.
It is obvious that your conclusion was formed based on the fact that you had never heard or read about the rumor before. This conclusion is irresponsible and shameful. The fact that nobody had ever really heard of Babe’s story is why I wrote the book; to once and for all shed light on and bring transparency to an issue that had been ignored and covered up for over fifty years while my grandfather was tormented daily. I doubt you’d understand that. Sadly, Babe’s house burned to the ground in 1980 destroying all pieces of correspondence i.e. letters from Kenesaw Mountain Landis and letters to various commissioners concerning this issue.
Since you’re unsure of the merits of the rumor in the book, I’ve listed a few additional sources for you to fact check; you’ll note several of these sources were long before my book was published which debunks your assertion that I “created” this theory.
I only stumbled over this page recently and noticed the controversy over the alleged "invention" of drug rumors by Babe's grandson. I met Matt a couple of years ago, while he was promoting his book. I bought it and enjoyed reading it, but I had already heard the rumors about ten years earlier. I wish I could remember exactly from whom I heard the story. (It wasn't from any of the sources listed by Matt in his post above. I recall that, at that time, I also heard that Babe had been blackballed by some owners due to his participation in the early pension plan negotiations as a player rep. Perhaps some of our other fans or researchers who go back to the Forties can contribute their own memories to this discussion? -- DutchmanInDisguise ( talk) 19:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)