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Wikipedia does not include redundant state maps for municipalities let alone city neighborhoods; info included in inset which is sufficient. Too large:photos should correspond with sub section. Djflem ( talk) 09:07, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
So the consensus for unincorporated communities in NJ is to use the county map. And what about neighbourhoods in urban areas? Djflem ( talk) 22:35, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Can you explain the neighborhoods in these templates?
Djflem ( talk) 23:19, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
The above are Census-designated place (New York). You are adding the state map to city neighborhoods. As is seen in New York and Boston that is not common at all.
Djflem ( talk) 07:40, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
According to City (New Jersey), a City in the context of New Jersey local government refers to one of five types and one of eleven forms of municipal government. Despite the widely held perception of a city as a large, urban area, cities in New Jersey have a confused history as a form of government and vary in size from large, densely populated areas to much smaller hamlets. Djflem ( talk) 08:03, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
What is the reason to add a state map is? What does it add to the article? How does it improve it? What additional information does it impart? Why is it better to take up the space and thus require the photos to be moved and stacked on the left, thus jamming the text which raises Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images issues.
I refer you to a discussion at another page which I have imported from User talk:Alansohn#Unincorporated communities?:
I would suggest at this time if you wish to take the advise of the above and bring it to WT:NJ or elsewhere if you wish to see if you can establish a consensus for insertion of state maps and other changes to wish to introduce. Djflem ( talk) 09:15, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
I don't want to make a deal to have to follow up and revert your work. As you can see above at least two editors (myself include) find that the maps unnecessary I suggest you try adding a few to the neighborhoods mentioned in the templates above to get a NY and MA point of view, to test your theory about a national consensus to support your contention that NJ is somehow an outlier. I would suggest you inquire the above editor and those who have worked on filling the Category:Census-designated places in New Jersey, and present you proposal to [[WP:NJ}}. before proceeding with your plan. Since no community in NJ is not part of incorporated place, there may be other approaches to handling the matter. In the meantime, I'll repeat the unanswered questions from above. What is the reason to add a state map is? What does it add to the article? How does it improve it? What additional information does it impart? Why is it better to take up the space and thus require the photos to be moved and stacked on the left, thus jamming the text which raises Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images issues. Lastly, if you prefer I can bring it the WT:NJ if you are uncomfortable about it. Djflem ( talk) 21:13, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
May I suggest you contact User:Tinton5, who has done a lot of work on Category:Census-designated places in New Jersey and on Category:Neighborhoods in New Jersey. Djflem ( talk) 21:27, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
We have a county-level map for every one of the 21 counties in New Jersey, providing a level of information and context that is unavailable from other sources. The county maps have a state inset, which would seem to provide the appropriate context, making the state maps both unneeded and unnecessarily large. I'm not sure why folks in other states haven't created their own county maps, but we have the opportunity to use them in New Jersey articles and there is no "national consensus" that demands that we use the detail-free state maps. For cities with neighborhoods, we'd benefit from city-level maps allowing greater detail, not unlike at West Ridge, Chicago. Given all that's been accomplished by WP:NJ, you'd expect that some of the model of detailed data and maps would be spread to the other 49 states, rather than demanding that New Jersey articles be dragged down to the lowest possible standard. Alansohn ( talk) 05:24, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
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Wikipedia does not include redundant state maps for municipalities let alone city neighborhoods; info included in inset which is sufficient. Too large:photos should correspond with sub section. Djflem ( talk) 09:07, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
So the consensus for unincorporated communities in NJ is to use the county map. And what about neighbourhoods in urban areas? Djflem ( talk) 22:35, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Can you explain the neighborhoods in these templates?
Djflem ( talk) 23:19, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
The above are Census-designated place (New York). You are adding the state map to city neighborhoods. As is seen in New York and Boston that is not common at all.
Djflem ( talk) 07:40, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
According to City (New Jersey), a City in the context of New Jersey local government refers to one of five types and one of eleven forms of municipal government. Despite the widely held perception of a city as a large, urban area, cities in New Jersey have a confused history as a form of government and vary in size from large, densely populated areas to much smaller hamlets. Djflem ( talk) 08:03, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
What is the reason to add a state map is? What does it add to the article? How does it improve it? What additional information does it impart? Why is it better to take up the space and thus require the photos to be moved and stacked on the left, thus jamming the text which raises Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images issues.
I refer you to a discussion at another page which I have imported from User talk:Alansohn#Unincorporated communities?:
I would suggest at this time if you wish to take the advise of the above and bring it to WT:NJ or elsewhere if you wish to see if you can establish a consensus for insertion of state maps and other changes to wish to introduce. Djflem ( talk) 09:15, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
I don't want to make a deal to have to follow up and revert your work. As you can see above at least two editors (myself include) find that the maps unnecessary I suggest you try adding a few to the neighborhoods mentioned in the templates above to get a NY and MA point of view, to test your theory about a national consensus to support your contention that NJ is somehow an outlier. I would suggest you inquire the above editor and those who have worked on filling the Category:Census-designated places in New Jersey, and present you proposal to [[WP:NJ}}. before proceeding with your plan. Since no community in NJ is not part of incorporated place, there may be other approaches to handling the matter. In the meantime, I'll repeat the unanswered questions from above. What is the reason to add a state map is? What does it add to the article? How does it improve it? What additional information does it impart? Why is it better to take up the space and thus require the photos to be moved and stacked on the left, thus jamming the text which raises Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images issues. Lastly, if you prefer I can bring it the WT:NJ if you are uncomfortable about it. Djflem ( talk) 21:13, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
May I suggest you contact User:Tinton5, who has done a lot of work on Category:Census-designated places in New Jersey and on Category:Neighborhoods in New Jersey. Djflem ( talk) 21:27, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
We have a county-level map for every one of the 21 counties in New Jersey, providing a level of information and context that is unavailable from other sources. The county maps have a state inset, which would seem to provide the appropriate context, making the state maps both unneeded and unnecessarily large. I'm not sure why folks in other states haven't created their own county maps, but we have the opportunity to use them in New Jersey articles and there is no "national consensus" that demands that we use the detail-free state maps. For cities with neighborhoods, we'd benefit from city-level maps allowing greater detail, not unlike at West Ridge, Chicago. Given all that's been accomplished by WP:NJ, you'd expect that some of the model of detailed data and maps would be spread to the other 49 states, rather than demanding that New Jersey articles be dragged down to the lowest possible standard. Alansohn ( talk) 05:24, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
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