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I am a BMC Software employee.
Karenarlenereynolds and Tamicasey no longer work at BMC. I will be continuing the previous effort to clean-up this page by trimming and deleting unnecessary sections. To continue from the previous comments, I believe these sections should be removed completely:
In each of these instances, as well as most of the History section, I believe there is undue weight added, see: WP:WEIGHT
Additionally, old data in the Infobox from 2012 should be removed.
One concern with the current page is the extreme depth from a decade ago makes the page less accurate now. By shortening the page to just a couple of sections we can reduce the chance of undue weight on a particular timeframe or on what in hindsight is inconsequential...we don't need a complete history of every single thing that ever occurred at BMC.
For reference, analysts typically consider ServiceNow BMC's #1 competitor.
Per WP:COIRESPONSE, "Look for unnecessary detail that may have been added to overwhelm something negative." -- it seems to me that most of the current very long article could fit this description.
Wattssw ( talk) 18:31, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Edit request partially implemented
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In response to the previous reply from Spintendo Specific edit requests:
In each of these cases I look to WP:WEIGHT and WP:COIRESPONSE as guidelines suggesting there is too much trivial non-essential content that should be removed for improved balance and to ensure future accuracy. Wattssw ( talk) 15:23, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
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In Assets section, the statement "BMC owns real estate property but it's mostly in four office buildings totaling 1,515,000 square feet (140,700 m2) in Houston, Texas; sales and development offices around the world are leased.[28]" is backed up by only a single source from 2002. This is 16 years ago, and the company has since moved its HQ. This information is not accurate and as real estate is not a primary function of BMC, this section should be removed as per guidance from WP:WEIGHT and WP:COIRESPONSE Wattssw ( talk) 16:36, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Edit request partially implemented
This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. Your request does not specify which source applies to which portion of the text. If a COI edit request contains a verbatim copy of the requested text, this ought to include properly formatted references placed at the precise location where a claim is made (See WP:INTEGRITY). "Please add the following sources" is not acceptable and will be rejected; the request must be of the form "Please change x to y using z as the reference". |
Due to https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/kkr-completes-acquisition-of-bmc-software-300723077.html, a few updates should be made for the page to be accurate.
Suggested edits:
Wattssw ( talk) 16:53, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Unable to review edit request Your edit request could not be reviewed because it is unclear which references are connected to which claim statements in the text of your proposal. When proposing edit requests, it is important to highlight in the text which specific sources are doing the referencing for each claim. [a] The point of an inline citation is to allow the reviewer and readers to check that the material is sourced; that point is lost if the citation's note number is not clearly placed. Note the example below:
INCORRECT
The sun is pretty big, but the moon is not so big. The sun is also quite hot.
References
1. Sjöblad, Tristan. The Sun. Academic Press, 2018, p. 1.
2. Duvalier, Gabrielle. "Size of the Moon", Scientific American, 51(78):46.
3. Uemura, Shū. The Sun's Heat. Academic Press, 2018, p. 2.
In the example above there are three references provided, but the claim statements do not indicate which reference applies where. Your edit request similarly does not specify where the references you have provided are to be placed. These links between material and their source references must be more clearly made, as shown in the next example below:
CORRECT
The sun is pretty big, [1] but the moon is not so big. [2] The sun is also quite hot. [3]
References
In the example above, the links between the provided references and their claim statements are perfectly clear. Kindly reformulate your edit request so that it aligns more with the second example above, and feel free to re-submit that edit request at your earliest convenience. Regards, Spintendo 17:21, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Notes
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Thank you for considering this request, I think this will be closer to what you need and is minimally invasive.
Change Request #1:
EXISTING 2nd PARAGRAPH
In 2013, BMC transitioned from a public to a private company. [1] [2] Investors included Bain Capital, Golden Gate Capital, Insight Venture Partners, GIC Private Limited's GIC Special Investments Pte Ltd, and Elliott Management Corporation. [3]
PROPOSED 2nd PARAGRAPH
In 2013, BMC transitioned from a public to a private company. [1] [2] Investors included Bain Capital, Golden Gate Capital, Insight Venture Partners, GIC Private Limited's GIC Special Investments Pte Ltd, and Elliott Management Corporation. [3] In 2018, KKR, a leading global investment firm, acquired BMC. [4]
Change Request #2:
EXISTING History>Acquisition PARAGRAPH
Acquisition and privatization by private equity firms
BMC Software management and Board of Directors decided to leave the NASDAQ and end its time as a public company, sell significant portions of stock and go private. In May 2013, the IT services and cloud computing company announced that it was in the process of being acquired by a group of major private equity investment groups for $6.9 Billion. [5] Those firms included Bain Capital, Golden Gate Capital, Insight Venture Partners, GIC Private Limited's subsidiary GIC Special Investments Pte Ltd and Elliott Management Corporation. The process was completed in September. As a result of this privatization, BMC Software stock was no longer listed on the NASDAQ, effective at the close of business on September 10, 2013. [3]
PROPOSED History>Acquisition PARAGRAPH
Acquisition and privatization by private equity firms
BMC Software management and Board of Directors decided to leave the NASDAQ and end its time as a public company, sell significant portions of stock and go private. In May 2013, the IT services and cloud computing company announced that it was in the process of being acquired by a group of major private equity investment groups for $6.9 Billion. [6] Those firms included Bain Capital, Golden Gate Capital, Insight Venture Partners, GIC Private Limited's subsidiary GIC Special Investments Pte Ltd and Elliott Management Corporation. The process was completed in September. As a result of this privatization, BMC Software stock was no longer listed on the NASDAQ, effective at the close of business on September 10, 2013. [3] In 2018, KKR, a leading global investment firm, acquired BMC. [4]
Wattssw ( talk) 19:07, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
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The text underlined in orange at the beginning is repeated again at the end of the paragraph. This repeating of messaging merely bloats the text. And the text underlined in red is not necessary to list these individual companies, especially in light of the fact that they are labled a "private equity investment group"—but not very private when announcing their purchases, apparently. This is not a summary. The proposed text should be placed in summary style. What do other editors ( Ronz included) think about this? Spintendo 02:53, 20 October 2018 (UTC)BMC Software management and Board of Directors decided to leave the NASDAQ and end its time as a public company, sell significant portions of stock and go private. In May 2013, the IT services and cloud computing company announced that it was in the process of being acquired by a group of major private equity investment groups for $6.9 Billion. Those firms included Bain Capital, Golden Gate Capital, Insight Venture Partners, GIC Private Limited's subsidiary GIC Special Investments Pte Ltd and Elliott Management Corporation. The process was completed in September. As a result of this privatization, BMC Software stock was no longer listed on the NASDAQ, effective at the close of business on September 10, 2013. In 2018, KKR, a leading global investment firm, acquired BMC.
I was bold and removed the paragraph identified for the first part of the request. I see no reason why it belongs in the lede.
I'm concerned that the driving forces for the privatization and the details, as identified in the CNN ref (the only independent ref), are being ignored completely.
I trimmed back the paragraph identified for the second part of the request, and think some of the reasons for going private, and the terms of the purchase need to be added, per the CNN ref. -- Ronz ( talk) 03:44, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 |
The following Wikipedia contributor has declared a personal or professional connection to the subject of this article. Relevant policies and guidelines may include conflict of interest, autobiography, and neutral point of view. |
Part of an edit requested by an editor with a conflict of interest has been implemented. Please see the Reply section below for more information about your request. |
I am a BMC Software employee.
Karenarlenereynolds and Tamicasey no longer work at BMC. I will be continuing the previous effort to clean-up this page by trimming and deleting unnecessary sections. To continue from the previous comments, I believe these sections should be removed completely:
In each of these instances, as well as most of the History section, I believe there is undue weight added, see: WP:WEIGHT
Additionally, old data in the Infobox from 2012 should be removed.
One concern with the current page is the extreme depth from a decade ago makes the page less accurate now. By shortening the page to just a couple of sections we can reduce the chance of undue weight on a particular timeframe or on what in hindsight is inconsequential...we don't need a complete history of every single thing that ever occurred at BMC.
For reference, analysts typically consider ServiceNow BMC's #1 competitor.
Per WP:COIRESPONSE, "Look for unnecessary detail that may have been added to overwhelm something negative." -- it seems to me that most of the current very long article could fit this description.
Wattssw ( talk) 18:31, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Edit request partially implemented
The following Wikipedia contributor has declared a personal or professional connection to the subject of this article. Relevant policies and guidelines may include conflict of interest, autobiography, and neutral point of view. |
Part of an edit requested by an editor with a conflict of interest has been implemented. |
In response to the previous reply from Spintendo Specific edit requests:
In each of these cases I look to WP:WEIGHT and WP:COIRESPONSE as guidelines suggesting there is too much trivial non-essential content that should be removed for improved balance and to ensure future accuracy. Wattssw ( talk) 15:23, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
The following Wikipedia contributor has declared a personal or professional connection to the subject of this article. Relevant policies and guidelines may include conflict of interest, autobiography, and neutral point of view. |
This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered. |
In Assets section, the statement "BMC owns real estate property but it's mostly in four office buildings totaling 1,515,000 square feet (140,700 m2) in Houston, Texas; sales and development offices around the world are leased.[28]" is backed up by only a single source from 2002. This is 16 years ago, and the company has since moved its HQ. This information is not accurate and as real estate is not a primary function of BMC, this section should be removed as per guidance from WP:WEIGHT and WP:COIRESPONSE Wattssw ( talk) 16:36, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Edit request partially implemented
This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. Your request does not specify which source applies to which portion of the text. If a COI edit request contains a verbatim copy of the requested text, this ought to include properly formatted references placed at the precise location where a claim is made (See WP:INTEGRITY). "Please add the following sources" is not acceptable and will be rejected; the request must be of the form "Please change x to y using z as the reference". |
Due to https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/kkr-completes-acquisition-of-bmc-software-300723077.html, a few updates should be made for the page to be accurate.
Suggested edits:
Wattssw ( talk) 16:53, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Unable to review edit request Your edit request could not be reviewed because it is unclear which references are connected to which claim statements in the text of your proposal. When proposing edit requests, it is important to highlight in the text which specific sources are doing the referencing for each claim. [a] The point of an inline citation is to allow the reviewer and readers to check that the material is sourced; that point is lost if the citation's note number is not clearly placed. Note the example below:
INCORRECT
The sun is pretty big, but the moon is not so big. The sun is also quite hot.
References
1. Sjöblad, Tristan. The Sun. Academic Press, 2018, p. 1.
2. Duvalier, Gabrielle. "Size of the Moon", Scientific American, 51(78):46.
3. Uemura, Shū. The Sun's Heat. Academic Press, 2018, p. 2.
In the example above there are three references provided, but the claim statements do not indicate which reference applies where. Your edit request similarly does not specify where the references you have provided are to be placed. These links between material and their source references must be more clearly made, as shown in the next example below:
CORRECT
The sun is pretty big, [1] but the moon is not so big. [2] The sun is also quite hot. [3]
References
In the example above, the links between the provided references and their claim statements are perfectly clear. Kindly reformulate your edit request so that it aligns more with the second example above, and feel free to re-submit that edit request at your earliest convenience. Regards, Spintendo 17:21, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Notes
This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered. |
Thank you for considering this request, I think this will be closer to what you need and is minimally invasive.
Change Request #1:
EXISTING 2nd PARAGRAPH
In 2013, BMC transitioned from a public to a private company. [1] [2] Investors included Bain Capital, Golden Gate Capital, Insight Venture Partners, GIC Private Limited's GIC Special Investments Pte Ltd, and Elliott Management Corporation. [3]
PROPOSED 2nd PARAGRAPH
In 2013, BMC transitioned from a public to a private company. [1] [2] Investors included Bain Capital, Golden Gate Capital, Insight Venture Partners, GIC Private Limited's GIC Special Investments Pte Ltd, and Elliott Management Corporation. [3] In 2018, KKR, a leading global investment firm, acquired BMC. [4]
Change Request #2:
EXISTING History>Acquisition PARAGRAPH
Acquisition and privatization by private equity firms
BMC Software management and Board of Directors decided to leave the NASDAQ and end its time as a public company, sell significant portions of stock and go private. In May 2013, the IT services and cloud computing company announced that it was in the process of being acquired by a group of major private equity investment groups for $6.9 Billion. [5] Those firms included Bain Capital, Golden Gate Capital, Insight Venture Partners, GIC Private Limited's subsidiary GIC Special Investments Pte Ltd and Elliott Management Corporation. The process was completed in September. As a result of this privatization, BMC Software stock was no longer listed on the NASDAQ, effective at the close of business on September 10, 2013. [3]
PROPOSED History>Acquisition PARAGRAPH
Acquisition and privatization by private equity firms
BMC Software management and Board of Directors decided to leave the NASDAQ and end its time as a public company, sell significant portions of stock and go private. In May 2013, the IT services and cloud computing company announced that it was in the process of being acquired by a group of major private equity investment groups for $6.9 Billion. [6] Those firms included Bain Capital, Golden Gate Capital, Insight Venture Partners, GIC Private Limited's subsidiary GIC Special Investments Pte Ltd and Elliott Management Corporation. The process was completed in September. As a result of this privatization, BMC Software stock was no longer listed on the NASDAQ, effective at the close of business on September 10, 2013. [3] In 2018, KKR, a leading global investment firm, acquired BMC. [4]
Wattssw ( talk) 19:07, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
References
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The text underlined in orange at the beginning is repeated again at the end of the paragraph. This repeating of messaging merely bloats the text. And the text underlined in red is not necessary to list these individual companies, especially in light of the fact that they are labled a "private equity investment group"—but not very private when announcing their purchases, apparently. This is not a summary. The proposed text should be placed in summary style. What do other editors ( Ronz included) think about this? Spintendo 02:53, 20 October 2018 (UTC)BMC Software management and Board of Directors decided to leave the NASDAQ and end its time as a public company, sell significant portions of stock and go private. In May 2013, the IT services and cloud computing company announced that it was in the process of being acquired by a group of major private equity investment groups for $6.9 Billion. Those firms included Bain Capital, Golden Gate Capital, Insight Venture Partners, GIC Private Limited's subsidiary GIC Special Investments Pte Ltd and Elliott Management Corporation. The process was completed in September. As a result of this privatization, BMC Software stock was no longer listed on the NASDAQ, effective at the close of business on September 10, 2013. In 2018, KKR, a leading global investment firm, acquired BMC.
I was bold and removed the paragraph identified for the first part of the request. I see no reason why it belongs in the lede.
I'm concerned that the driving forces for the privatization and the details, as identified in the CNN ref (the only independent ref), are being ignored completely.
I trimmed back the paragraph identified for the second part of the request, and think some of the reasons for going private, and the terms of the purchase need to be added, per the CNN ref. -- Ronz ( talk) 03:44, 20 October 2018 (UTC)