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MOVED ACROSS FROM ORIGINAL LOCATION: Talk:B1FF
On 18 September 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from BIFF to BIFF (Usenet). The result of the discussion was moved. |
I seem to remember reading that the Unix command "biff" which notifies the user of new mail was inspired by B1FF. I was going to add it to the article, but I'm really not sure. Does anyone else know? -- cprompt 23:16, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Should all of those really be "BIFF" - or "B1FF"? -- sv 23:16, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I'm confused. The tag states the document came from FOLDOC, yet the text is visible in an unwikified form on the Jargon File. Chris 21:41, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Much of this article seems to be a direct copy of this. Jimbobbob 03:18, 2004 Nov 8 (UTC)
I've done a major overhaul. Key points:
Saltation ( talk) 23:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
HI THERE!!!! IM BIFF!!!! :-) :-)
MAN I FOUND A NICE LINK UPON A DISCUSSION BETWEEN RICHARD SEXTON AND JOE TALMADGE CONCERNING THE CREATION OF BIFF!!!!!!!!!
IM GOING TO ADD THAT LINK TO THE MAIN ARTICLE!!!!
WIKIPEDIA ROOLZ!!!!!
IM BIFF ( talk) 21:21, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
The line "BIFF was apparently a pre-adolescent American who had no real computer skills (or social skills)" is an example of the kind of language being used in this article that kills its neutrality. Parts of it read more like the stuff you'd see in joke wikis documenting drama on the internet. The article is worth having, but definitely needs a clean up. I'm not familiar enough with this person to take that on, however.
198.166.32.75 ( talk) 05:42, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
I have half a memory of, at least from when I was actively reading BIFF posts, that the character came across as a "surfer dude" (imagine Sean Penn's character in Fast Times at Ridgemont High), and was making fun of clueless BITnet users whose style wasn't exactly well suited to Usenet.
Also, is that a real BIFF .sig in the article? It sure reads like it's actually a Kibo .sig. RadioKAOS ( talk) 01:31, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure what constitutes a "real" BIFF .sig, since many people portrayed BIFF at different times. Anything written in an approximate BIFF style and attributed to BIFF is as "real" as any other BIFFism, or so it seemed during BIFF's heyday. I wrote that .sig and stumbled across this article today. I intended it to be pure BIFF. Is it "real" BIFF? Define "real" in this context first. Whether it's appropriate for Wikipedia even on this topic is a different question and I'll yield to the experts on that one. Tom ( talk) 19:59, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
He too was depicted as a complete idiot. Personally, I had always thought it was taken from that movie. But maybe it's got both influences (film and this R. Sexton stuff). -andy 77.191.205.168 ( talk) 01:52, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I am Biff. No, really. Ask Joe, I talked to him last week.
Biff wasn't meant to be a surfer or an idiot particularly, he was meant to sound like an overenthusiastic 13 year old that spent all day on the net. You know, you're average alt.flame or rec.arts.startrek poster, the idea was to post as somebody very very inexperienced in both writing and the net, then have them agree with your opponent. It was usually reserved for really really stupid posts.
The original canonical biff sigfile was:
-- BIFF BIFF@BIT.NET -- BIFF BIFF@BIT.NET
It was there twice cause the newsresder (trn) put it in once and poeple were use to adding it themseleves so the jokes goes (ha ha) that this is why all of biff's messages had it. It was to poke fun in general at people that did this. I neevr ever posted one without this.
Anyone that doesn't believe this is me... jsut look at the spelling and therte'll be no doubt.
I really don't understand why this article is still, years later in flux. It's the easiest thing in the world to verify. Christ, email or call me or joe if you need to.
Cause, ya know, biffipedia.org wouldn't be that hard to do. If you're the type that's easily intimidated by a 15 year old and a C64 the feel free to perceive is as such.
VENGENCE IS MINE SEZ THE BIFFSTER.
Really. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.156.196.43 ( talk) 05:29, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
I believe that this article, B1ff should be merged with BIFF. There is a lot of overlap and the B1ff article is very short text-wise. As an additional note, B1ff has no citations, doesn't seem like it could get citations and probably isn't even that notable, and is getting a bit of vandalism here and there. Also, the BIFF article isn't that long. It can handle another paragraph, if one is even going to be added. Kingsocarso ( talk) 00:59, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky ( talk) 12:48, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
BIFF → BIFF (Usenet) – The acronym or initialism has many uses, and this one seems very minor, old, poorly cited and with few pageviews. It doesn't seem to be even mentioned in the Usenet article, but I don't have any more time to investigate further. I'm just suggesting moving and redirecting BIFF to Biff, which is the DAB page. Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 12:30, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
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MOVED ACROSS FROM ORIGINAL LOCATION: Talk:B1FF
On 18 September 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from BIFF to BIFF (Usenet). The result of the discussion was moved. |
I seem to remember reading that the Unix command "biff" which notifies the user of new mail was inspired by B1FF. I was going to add it to the article, but I'm really not sure. Does anyone else know? -- cprompt 23:16, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Should all of those really be "BIFF" - or "B1FF"? -- sv 23:16, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I'm confused. The tag states the document came from FOLDOC, yet the text is visible in an unwikified form on the Jargon File. Chris 21:41, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Much of this article seems to be a direct copy of this. Jimbobbob 03:18, 2004 Nov 8 (UTC)
I've done a major overhaul. Key points:
Saltation ( talk) 23:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
HI THERE!!!! IM BIFF!!!! :-) :-)
MAN I FOUND A NICE LINK UPON A DISCUSSION BETWEEN RICHARD SEXTON AND JOE TALMADGE CONCERNING THE CREATION OF BIFF!!!!!!!!!
IM GOING TO ADD THAT LINK TO THE MAIN ARTICLE!!!!
WIKIPEDIA ROOLZ!!!!!
IM BIFF ( talk) 21:21, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
The line "BIFF was apparently a pre-adolescent American who had no real computer skills (or social skills)" is an example of the kind of language being used in this article that kills its neutrality. Parts of it read more like the stuff you'd see in joke wikis documenting drama on the internet. The article is worth having, but definitely needs a clean up. I'm not familiar enough with this person to take that on, however.
198.166.32.75 ( talk) 05:42, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
I have half a memory of, at least from when I was actively reading BIFF posts, that the character came across as a "surfer dude" (imagine Sean Penn's character in Fast Times at Ridgemont High), and was making fun of clueless BITnet users whose style wasn't exactly well suited to Usenet.
Also, is that a real BIFF .sig in the article? It sure reads like it's actually a Kibo .sig. RadioKAOS ( talk) 01:31, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure what constitutes a "real" BIFF .sig, since many people portrayed BIFF at different times. Anything written in an approximate BIFF style and attributed to BIFF is as "real" as any other BIFFism, or so it seemed during BIFF's heyday. I wrote that .sig and stumbled across this article today. I intended it to be pure BIFF. Is it "real" BIFF? Define "real" in this context first. Whether it's appropriate for Wikipedia even on this topic is a different question and I'll yield to the experts on that one. Tom ( talk) 19:59, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
He too was depicted as a complete idiot. Personally, I had always thought it was taken from that movie. But maybe it's got both influences (film and this R. Sexton stuff). -andy 77.191.205.168 ( talk) 01:52, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I am Biff. No, really. Ask Joe, I talked to him last week.
Biff wasn't meant to be a surfer or an idiot particularly, he was meant to sound like an overenthusiastic 13 year old that spent all day on the net. You know, you're average alt.flame or rec.arts.startrek poster, the idea was to post as somebody very very inexperienced in both writing and the net, then have them agree with your opponent. It was usually reserved for really really stupid posts.
The original canonical biff sigfile was:
-- BIFF BIFF@BIT.NET -- BIFF BIFF@BIT.NET
It was there twice cause the newsresder (trn) put it in once and poeple were use to adding it themseleves so the jokes goes (ha ha) that this is why all of biff's messages had it. It was to poke fun in general at people that did this. I neevr ever posted one without this.
Anyone that doesn't believe this is me... jsut look at the spelling and therte'll be no doubt.
I really don't understand why this article is still, years later in flux. It's the easiest thing in the world to verify. Christ, email or call me or joe if you need to.
Cause, ya know, biffipedia.org wouldn't be that hard to do. If you're the type that's easily intimidated by a 15 year old and a C64 the feel free to perceive is as such.
VENGENCE IS MINE SEZ THE BIFFSTER.
Really. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.156.196.43 ( talk) 05:29, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
I believe that this article, B1ff should be merged with BIFF. There is a lot of overlap and the B1ff article is very short text-wise. As an additional note, B1ff has no citations, doesn't seem like it could get citations and probably isn't even that notable, and is getting a bit of vandalism here and there. Also, the BIFF article isn't that long. It can handle another paragraph, if one is even going to be added. Kingsocarso ( talk) 00:59, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky ( talk) 12:48, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
BIFF → BIFF (Usenet) – The acronym or initialism has many uses, and this one seems very minor, old, poorly cited and with few pageviews. It doesn't seem to be even mentioned in the Usenet article, but I don't have any more time to investigate further. I'm just suggesting moving and redirecting BIFF to Biff, which is the DAB page. Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 12:30, 18 September 2022 (UTC)