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Hi, I'm not sure why the federal Liberal logo is placed on the bottom of the page as the BC Liberal is not affiliated and only share the name (Liberal).
John
It should be removed immediatley!! Verged
Hi,
Queen's University is missing the Vancouver Sun reels for a number of BC Liberal Party leadership conventions (to shamelessly name-drop a page that I created yesterday). Can someone who has access to these reels look up the ballot results of the following:
In each case, the Sun's coverage will appear two days *after* the dates listed above (they didn't run a Sunday edition in those days).
My thanks to anyone who actually does this,
CJCurrie 02:35, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I thought I'd explain my heavy editing and deletions to the materials about the 1952 election. A lot of it didn't relate to the Liberals at all -- just meanderings about Bennett and CCF and pacts with Tom Uphill. All very nice but not relevant to the Liberals. The main message is that they lost badly and went off into the wilderness. What the others did is for entries elsewhere, in my opinion.
It's my understanding that Liberal Party of British Columbia has never been the formal name of this organization. The proper name is British Columbia Liberal Party-- this is reflected in the majority of media useage, the Elections BC's registry, and the party itself. Up she goes onto Wikipedia:Requested moves - The Tom 22:33, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. Correct name of the party. violet/riga (t) 22:19, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I am confused the current WP:RM page says Talk:Liberal Party of British Columbia -- Liberal Party of British Columbia → British Columbia Liberal Party -- Spinboy 00:35, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC) If this is not what this vote is about please enter a new request on the WP:RM page and remove the current one. Having done that place the request line from the WP:RM page at the top of the "Requested move" section Philip Baird Shearer 15:32, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. violet/riga (t) 17:04, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
A notice that I have put up a request for arbitration in regards to User:Violetriga. -- Spinboy 05:53, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I've been compiling historical provincial electoral district returns and habitually created links for Liberal-Conservative Coalition, which as it turns out happens to redirect here. I think the Coalition should have its own page, as it's not the direct "property" of either provincial Grits or Tories and very much a political beastie in its own right, as well as a particular period in the province's history. Pages which listed in previous linked each word in the title separately, e.g. [[Liberal]]-[[Conservative]] [[coalition]], with the coalition a small-c. Which it wasn't, i.e. it was a capital-lettered name and a "party" in its own right. Not prepared to write an article about the era yet but, as said, I think it shouldn't redirect here. Skookum1 22:32, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
The current introduction of this article has a incorrect definition of neoliberalism. "liberal" in neo-liberalism refers to (new) liberal economics.
Didn't this change in the Martin era? Also, the intro should clarify that the current party is very different from its pre-1970s predecessor of the same name (despite having the same constitution/charter). Skookum1 21:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
To party members who may wish to edit the article: please see WP:COI regarding conflict-of-interest concerning members of organizations editing articles about those organizations. this is a general comment/warning being placed on all BC political party pages because of problems with some articles...If you are a member of the Liberal Party of BC you should not be editing this article!!. Skookum1 01:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree, but I think if you are a member of the Liberal Party, **OR ANY OTHER PARTY** (example, the NDP), you should not be editing this entry. -- WikiMart 17:27, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
This article already existed solely as a basketball bio, with no mention of his poiltical career. I gave it a start, cribbing from the UBC Sports Hall of Fame bio, but lots more shoudl be added; I put in what I put in mostly so he could be categorized properly; not sure of his Liberal leadership dates, which cabinet portfolios etc....someone here hopefully knows more, or would like to research this more; Pat was "orphaned".....(and I don't ahve a cite for the plywood satellite dish but it's probably online somewhere). Oh one more cat to add there which seems viable - "futurist". Skookum1 ( talk) 02:59, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
The link meant to lead to Liberal-turned-Social Credit politician Allan Williams actually direct to an entirely different Allan Williams, the original manager of the Beatles. Ken Burch 7:54 11 May 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.174.73.121 ( talk) 07:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Re this in the lede:
Because I added the fact tag I didn't also emend this to add that the reason for this is that the BC Liberals include many members and attract many backers and voters who otherwise vote Conservative nationally and before that Alliance/Reform, and likewise the old bedrock of the Social Credit who are anti-leftist. Not having this explained leaves that line "hanging". But there's a lot of unsaid stuff in this article so far, isn't there? Skookum1 ( talk) 01:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
A quick read through the conservative liberalism is enough to demonstrate that the BC Liberals, at least in their current post-2001 incarnation, do not qualify; they are clearly neoconservative and widely known to be such, and include a number of hard-right members; they are "Liberal In Name Only" and are known to be farther to the right than the federal Conservatives; many of their members and backers are ex-Reform/Alliance and campaign for as Tories, and the party is noted for its close ties to the US GOP (Republican Party), particularly its privatization and Christian-right wings; it's authoritarian in nature, elitist and oligarchic by behaviour and bears no resemblance even to the days of Boss Johnson, certainly less so to Duff Pattullo.....in the Gordon Wilson era it was left-of-centre and decidedly socially and economically liberal; that ended with the takeover by the Campbell faction. It may be true that historically (pre-1952) the party was "conservative liberal", but socially liberal it never was, certainly not like the federal Liberals. Having "conservative liberalism" in the infobox, despite long-ago traits of that, is not suitable given the misrepresentation of the current party as anything but neoconservative; I've changed this once, no doubt it will be changed back; press cites for the current incarnation of the party being neoconservative abound, whereas it would be difficult to point to examples of any kind of social or economic liberalism (otehr than neoliberalism, which is about privatization and allegedly-small and an uregulated economy and is really indistinguishable from neoconservatism. Any party that attacks and undermines social programs, has homophobic loudmouths as candidates/MLAs, law-and-order ex-police cabinet ministers, anti-tax fanatics and espouses the privatization of government infrastructure should not be thought of as liberal in any terminology, other than the name that it holds. If they weren't neoconservatives, the Premier and other high-ranking members and MLASs wouldn't have been invited to speak at neoconservative organization conferences in the US....."conservative liberals: they're not. Skookum1 ( talk) 23:53, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
They are not Neocons, they are Neolibs but they are also Conserative Liberals, Liberals with a Conservative agenda, and that is what they are.
"Liberals with a Conservative agenda' is not the defition of Conservative liberalism. And they are not Liberals in the slightest, other than by name, i.e. only in the capital-L sense. Skookum1 ( talk) 03:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I reversed your change from Conservative to Neoconservative. As in my edit comment, it's well-known on all sides in BC that the party and the Premier and certain cabinet ministers in particular are closely linked to the Fraser Institute, which is one of the core institutions of Canadian neoconservatism and brags about it (though it likes the word "libertarian" especially when rationalizing its more excess beliefs and policies). And as I said in the edit comment, it's ironic that a cite not using "Neoconservative" and choosing "Conservative" instead would be another of the province's neoconservative institutions, namely the flagship paper of CanWest Global. IIRC (though I'll read it again) that site does make mention of the Fraser Institute (as does the article text), which to anyone familiar with that institution, on right or left, is unmistakeably neoconservative. Including agreeing with American foreign policy (which true-blue Conservatives never used to do). Another reason that "Conservative", esp. with a capital C is unpalatable, is that that of course is the name of another party, both provincially and federally. The BC Liberals are a coalition, with maybe some real Liberals on the backbench and mostly neocons in cabinet....cites in places like The Tyee and Canadian Dimension for this are legion...I do find it amusing that the Vancouver Sun doesn't see fit to admit it, despite often extolling the Fraser Institute's august wisdoms itself.......further ironic is your username, Palpatine....how are plans for slaughtering the young Jedi going, Emperor-to-be? Just kidding....neoconservatism is not American property either as an ideology or as a word; it has different meanings in different countries, and different politics in different polities.....in Canada it's more connected to corporatism but it is shored up by the religious right and the usual redneck specctrum of the BC right. "untramelled free enterprise" with a maniacal faith in the wisdom of the market, and in restraint/anti-tax spending is all part of it. It may not be what you in the States (if that's where you are) call it, but it's called neoconservatism in Canada......and anyone familiar with BC's news knows that the Liberals are, well, just a bit more complicated than simply a small-c conservative party. "Radical" is a term that comes to mind, and in fact the Fraser Institute ilkes to bandy about the phrase "radical liberalism" (for over-the-top libertarianism....). Skookum1 ( talk) 02:44, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
The current regime, aka the Campbell Liberals, are notable for NOT having any connection with traditional liberalism in BC, and even more than the MiniWac Socreds (1975-1991) have extremely close ties to the Fraser Institute, which is one of the main mouthpieces for neoconservatism not just in Canada, but in all of North America. Pretending that connection does not exist is nonsense. While it's true that the historical Liberal Party (pre-1975) was "Liberal conservative" and, earlier one, even "liberal" by the standards of the time (e.g. the Pattullo administration), and that the Wilson Liberals who "brought the party back from the wilderness" were "real" Liberals, i.e. a centre party with leanings towards the social welfare state and social liberalism, but a fiscally conservative approach, there's NO WAY that either label applies to the party since 1996 when Campbell & Co. took over. That the party is (now) neo-conservative is widely supported, even in the mainstream media (who are not a reliable source for politics in BC, anything but); as an alliance of Tories, ex-Reform Party folks, a very few old-guard Liberals and a smattering of Socreds and various opportunists, does not equal either "liberalism" or "liberal conservatism". In light of all this, the Ideology section in the infobox should just be left empty, or not mentioned; unless qualified with "1903-1996: Liberalism. 1996-present NeoConservativism". Skookum1 ( talk) 21:07, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
The language/account in this section is heavily biased against Wilson:
The latter two sentences in particular are a gross distortion; the Liberals under Wilson proved quite effective in Opposition and if not for the scandal with Tyabji and the related leadership challenge, might have won in 1996; a poll history for that era would help to cite that, Wilson remained very popular with the public, including during the leadership challenge and in spite of his peccadillo with Tyabji. Proof of Wilson's policies not coinciding with "many" other Liberals in the House needs substantiation; yes, Gary Farrell-Collins was restive about Wilson and was seen as a federal-Liberal "mole" (he's the same Gary Collins who was about to take the stand in the BC Rail trial when it was suddenly ended by the controversial plea bargain/sentencing/court costs "deal"). As with distorted statements in the lede, now corrected, to me this section shows signs of COI editing by the Campbellite/Marrissenite p.r. crew. Skookum1 ( talk) 18:19, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
The leader listed under the first three "Election Results" is J.A. Macdonald. This links to a disambiguation page that does not include this person. (Sir John A. was dead by this time, so it can't be him - and the others appear to have represented Canadians in other provinces with no mention of being the first leader of the BC Libs.) 173.206.249.137 ( talk) 22:32, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Michaelm has deleted from the article reference to the current BC Liberal government trying toreduce the size ofthe provincial government. Can anyone confirm this, or, could Michaelm kindly provide some information relating tothis? Thanks. Kevintoronto 00:37, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Please see Template talk:Canadian Conservative Parties for a discussion of whether or not the BC Liberal Party be included in this list of Conservative parties? Vale of Glamorgan ( talk) 20:18, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
this edit removed cited material which should be restored, this one supplanted and referenced the "new" POV claim of being "centre to centre right". Both publications are from the UofT Press so equally "valid", but the COI nature of the second one might be (very likely) discoverable. This entire section (cited on the Wilson and other pages if not here) was also removed on the first edit: <quote>First elected into provincial government in 1916, the party went into decline after 1952, with its rump caucus merging with the Social Credit Party of British Columbia for the 1975 election. It was returned to the legislature through the efforts of Gordon Wilson in a break-through in the 1991 election. At this time, the Social Credit Party had collapsed, with the BC Liberals able to garner the centre vote traditionally split between left and right in British Columbia provincial politics. After Wilson lost a leadership challenge in the wake of a personal scandal in a bitter three-way race, the party was led by Gordon Campbell, who became Leader of the Opposition after Wilson's convention defeat. In the wake of the electoral collapse of the British Columbia New Democratic Party (BC NDP) in the 2001 election, the Campbell-led BC Liberals won an overwhelming majority in 2001. In November 2010, after mounting public opposition to a new tax and the controversial ending of a political corruption trial, and with low popularity ratings, Campbell announced his resignation, and on February 26, 2011, Christy Clark was elected as the party's new leader and thereby became 35th Premier of British Columbia.</quote> Isn't it interesting how loudly complaints were made about changes to the Dix page when the same vein of edits are made here without a peep. Of course, only one "side" is making such edits, and such complaints. I'm not going to bother restoring the deleted section, so I'm not "outed" and slandered in teh Vancouver Sun again for "somebody wants to keep XXX out of the YYY article". I hope other responsible wikipedians take note of these and both monitor this article and revert/integrate such edits instead of tolerating wanton censorship and revisionism by IP interlopers with obvious partisan agendas. Granted, I'm 15 hours ahead so other Canadians and BCers aren't awake yet; I remember middle-of-the-night-in-Canada when this kind of thing was going on before here, and on the Dix article, and so on..... Skookum1 ( talk) 06:50, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
It seems to me, that in the wake of Premier Clark's election, this article could use a more thoughtful examination of the party's ideology. Bluntly stating that it is a "centre right" or "conservative" party seems simplistic, considering polls show the party has a ton of federal Liberal supporters [1], including the current premier. The party does rely on Conservative networks for much of its organization and campaigning, but Liberal ones as well. Several of Premier McGuinty's top strategists were flown out to assist the 2013 Clark campaign, for instance [2].
Likewise, there are a number of issues where the party has opposed the federal Conservatives, and indeed, mainstream Canadian conservative opinion in general, such as the carbon tax and Vancouver's safe injection site.
In some of the discussions above, it's clear a lot of commenters/editors have simply hated the BC Liberals, and have presumed the party to be a radical, right-wing party on little evidence other than their own personal opinion. In the article itself, many of the "centre right" or "conservative" citations simply site authors who have described the party as conservative in passing, because that's the "conventional wisdom" but not because of a serious analysis of what the party actually believes.
I do not consider myself a BC Liberal supporter, but I do think the party is probably most accurately described as an "anti-NDP coalition" that supports broadly neo-liberal policies and is closer to the "centre" of the political spectrum than the "centre right" per se. I think you could make the case that it's one of the most aggressively pro-centre parties in Canada, in fact, at least in the sense that the data suggests it is indeed an alliance between the federal Libs and Tories, who are usually understood to represent the competing ideological poles of federal politics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.71.132.205 ( talk) 17:43, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.71.132.205 ( talk) 02:36, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
After considering my previous reply to yet another "I am not a BC Liberal supporter" who advances views that are overtly BC Liberal/partisan in nature, and given the false accusations against me re related topics that were made into a front-page issue by a "reliable source" who clearly wasn't reliable, I realize that the war over this page's content is never going to end; there are enough experienced, conscientious editors now aware of the thorny problems of ideology and partisanship that will always be trying to use Wikipedia to promote/spin their agenda, and blame partisan bias on the part of those editors who stand in their way. It's tiresome, and time-consuming, and unlike those many IP users and SPAs who come along with overtly partisan intent, I don't get paid nor have any political allegiances. Wikipedia famously is not about WP:TRUTH anyway, it's about citability ...... what constitutes a "reliable source" will always be an issue in BC, and re the national media, which is famously right-wing and anti-left wing despite the usual neocon complaint that the media are left-wing (har de har har har). The facts of what is being done to BC Hydro, what was done to BC Rail, what's really going on with provincial finances/debts are not in teh "reliable sources" but in "blogs" that are where the citable facts are to be found. Posturing by "I am not a BC Liberal supporter" people who push BC Liberal/federal Tory talking points is never going to stop, and I have been made a touchstone for their resentment against Wikipedia not caving into their wishes. To date, the Sun reporter who published a series of lies and distortions "stands by his article" and "has no regrets" and violated his Wikipedia usership with nearly every post, and with every article he published; I contacted him after all that about the edit war going on on t his page, which was clearly another partisan content-war, and he said he woudl refer it to his editors who may cover it. But they did not, nor of cousre were interested in anythign that diverges from their own advertorial agenda......clearly partisan from the get-go including aping what IP users had to say, including trying to get my blocked to silence me. You can have the playpen to yourselves now; it will always be a sandbox getting rained on and made muddy by people not wanting to admit to the facts and actually deleting cited materials as has often happened here; without a peep from teh "reliable sources" who made such a big issue over my role here, but had nothing to add other than more accusations and false representations about myself, and about Wikipedia. Skookum1 ( talk) 04:05, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
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Interim leaders perform the function of leadership even if it in a stop-gap period.
Therefore interim leaders should count.
Alternatively just get rid of the numbers and let the reader to come up with their own conclusion on this. 49.3.72.79 ( talk) 02:48, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Zussman seems to be reporting that Andrew Wilkinson is still leader of the party. It seems when Wilkinson resigned he only resigned as leader of the opposition, not party leader. So Shirley Bond may only be the caucus leader, not party leader. Not sure how we should deal with this. -- Darryl Kerrigan ( talk) 20:26, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
The term "Hung Parliament" is not typically used in Canada when referring to a Minority Parliament. If one looks at the Wiki for "Hung Parliament", the reason for this is quite clear: The idea of a Hung Parliament pertains to a situation in which no party has an automatic mandate to form government; in contrast, in Canada, the party with the most seats is always offered the chance to form government. This is why the NDP/Green government had to be formed after a non-confidence vote against the Liberals, who had automatically been offered the chance to govern after winning the most seats. 24.89.232.58 ( talk) 15:54, 15 May 2021 (UTC)Eh?
So if they rename themselves as planned, what acronym will describe the BC UC Party? KenWalker | Talk 06:48, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Acronyms are initials that can be pronounced as words and therefore does not apply in this case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.3.72.79 ( talk) 02:04, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
The name change took effect today. We need to update the article.-- Darryl Kerrigan ( talk) 00:34, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
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Hi, I'm not sure why the federal Liberal logo is placed on the bottom of the page as the BC Liberal is not affiliated and only share the name (Liberal).
John
It should be removed immediatley!! Verged
Hi,
Queen's University is missing the Vancouver Sun reels for a number of BC Liberal Party leadership conventions (to shamelessly name-drop a page that I created yesterday). Can someone who has access to these reels look up the ballot results of the following:
In each case, the Sun's coverage will appear two days *after* the dates listed above (they didn't run a Sunday edition in those days).
My thanks to anyone who actually does this,
CJCurrie 02:35, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I thought I'd explain my heavy editing and deletions to the materials about the 1952 election. A lot of it didn't relate to the Liberals at all -- just meanderings about Bennett and CCF and pacts with Tom Uphill. All very nice but not relevant to the Liberals. The main message is that they lost badly and went off into the wilderness. What the others did is for entries elsewhere, in my opinion.
It's my understanding that Liberal Party of British Columbia has never been the formal name of this organization. The proper name is British Columbia Liberal Party-- this is reflected in the majority of media useage, the Elections BC's registry, and the party itself. Up she goes onto Wikipedia:Requested moves - The Tom 22:33, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. Correct name of the party. violet/riga (t) 22:19, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I am confused the current WP:RM page says Talk:Liberal Party of British Columbia -- Liberal Party of British Columbia → British Columbia Liberal Party -- Spinboy 00:35, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC) If this is not what this vote is about please enter a new request on the WP:RM page and remove the current one. Having done that place the request line from the WP:RM page at the top of the "Requested move" section Philip Baird Shearer 15:32, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. violet/riga (t) 17:04, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
A notice that I have put up a request for arbitration in regards to User:Violetriga. -- Spinboy 05:53, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I've been compiling historical provincial electoral district returns and habitually created links for Liberal-Conservative Coalition, which as it turns out happens to redirect here. I think the Coalition should have its own page, as it's not the direct "property" of either provincial Grits or Tories and very much a political beastie in its own right, as well as a particular period in the province's history. Pages which listed in previous linked each word in the title separately, e.g. [[Liberal]]-[[Conservative]] [[coalition]], with the coalition a small-c. Which it wasn't, i.e. it was a capital-lettered name and a "party" in its own right. Not prepared to write an article about the era yet but, as said, I think it shouldn't redirect here. Skookum1 22:32, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
The current introduction of this article has a incorrect definition of neoliberalism. "liberal" in neo-liberalism refers to (new) liberal economics.
Didn't this change in the Martin era? Also, the intro should clarify that the current party is very different from its pre-1970s predecessor of the same name (despite having the same constitution/charter). Skookum1 21:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
To party members who may wish to edit the article: please see WP:COI regarding conflict-of-interest concerning members of organizations editing articles about those organizations. this is a general comment/warning being placed on all BC political party pages because of problems with some articles...If you are a member of the Liberal Party of BC you should not be editing this article!!. Skookum1 01:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree, but I think if you are a member of the Liberal Party, **OR ANY OTHER PARTY** (example, the NDP), you should not be editing this entry. -- WikiMart 17:27, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
This article already existed solely as a basketball bio, with no mention of his poiltical career. I gave it a start, cribbing from the UBC Sports Hall of Fame bio, but lots more shoudl be added; I put in what I put in mostly so he could be categorized properly; not sure of his Liberal leadership dates, which cabinet portfolios etc....someone here hopefully knows more, or would like to research this more; Pat was "orphaned".....(and I don't ahve a cite for the plywood satellite dish but it's probably online somewhere). Oh one more cat to add there which seems viable - "futurist". Skookum1 ( talk) 02:59, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
The link meant to lead to Liberal-turned-Social Credit politician Allan Williams actually direct to an entirely different Allan Williams, the original manager of the Beatles. Ken Burch 7:54 11 May 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.174.73.121 ( talk) 07:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Re this in the lede:
Because I added the fact tag I didn't also emend this to add that the reason for this is that the BC Liberals include many members and attract many backers and voters who otherwise vote Conservative nationally and before that Alliance/Reform, and likewise the old bedrock of the Social Credit who are anti-leftist. Not having this explained leaves that line "hanging". But there's a lot of unsaid stuff in this article so far, isn't there? Skookum1 ( talk) 01:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
A quick read through the conservative liberalism is enough to demonstrate that the BC Liberals, at least in their current post-2001 incarnation, do not qualify; they are clearly neoconservative and widely known to be such, and include a number of hard-right members; they are "Liberal In Name Only" and are known to be farther to the right than the federal Conservatives; many of their members and backers are ex-Reform/Alliance and campaign for as Tories, and the party is noted for its close ties to the US GOP (Republican Party), particularly its privatization and Christian-right wings; it's authoritarian in nature, elitist and oligarchic by behaviour and bears no resemblance even to the days of Boss Johnson, certainly less so to Duff Pattullo.....in the Gordon Wilson era it was left-of-centre and decidedly socially and economically liberal; that ended with the takeover by the Campbell faction. It may be true that historically (pre-1952) the party was "conservative liberal", but socially liberal it never was, certainly not like the federal Liberals. Having "conservative liberalism" in the infobox, despite long-ago traits of that, is not suitable given the misrepresentation of the current party as anything but neoconservative; I've changed this once, no doubt it will be changed back; press cites for the current incarnation of the party being neoconservative abound, whereas it would be difficult to point to examples of any kind of social or economic liberalism (otehr than neoliberalism, which is about privatization and allegedly-small and an uregulated economy and is really indistinguishable from neoconservatism. Any party that attacks and undermines social programs, has homophobic loudmouths as candidates/MLAs, law-and-order ex-police cabinet ministers, anti-tax fanatics and espouses the privatization of government infrastructure should not be thought of as liberal in any terminology, other than the name that it holds. If they weren't neoconservatives, the Premier and other high-ranking members and MLASs wouldn't have been invited to speak at neoconservative organization conferences in the US....."conservative liberals: they're not. Skookum1 ( talk) 23:53, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
They are not Neocons, they are Neolibs but they are also Conserative Liberals, Liberals with a Conservative agenda, and that is what they are.
"Liberals with a Conservative agenda' is not the defition of Conservative liberalism. And they are not Liberals in the slightest, other than by name, i.e. only in the capital-L sense. Skookum1 ( talk) 03:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I reversed your change from Conservative to Neoconservative. As in my edit comment, it's well-known on all sides in BC that the party and the Premier and certain cabinet ministers in particular are closely linked to the Fraser Institute, which is one of the core institutions of Canadian neoconservatism and brags about it (though it likes the word "libertarian" especially when rationalizing its more excess beliefs and policies). And as I said in the edit comment, it's ironic that a cite not using "Neoconservative" and choosing "Conservative" instead would be another of the province's neoconservative institutions, namely the flagship paper of CanWest Global. IIRC (though I'll read it again) that site does make mention of the Fraser Institute (as does the article text), which to anyone familiar with that institution, on right or left, is unmistakeably neoconservative. Including agreeing with American foreign policy (which true-blue Conservatives never used to do). Another reason that "Conservative", esp. with a capital C is unpalatable, is that that of course is the name of another party, both provincially and federally. The BC Liberals are a coalition, with maybe some real Liberals on the backbench and mostly neocons in cabinet....cites in places like The Tyee and Canadian Dimension for this are legion...I do find it amusing that the Vancouver Sun doesn't see fit to admit it, despite often extolling the Fraser Institute's august wisdoms itself.......further ironic is your username, Palpatine....how are plans for slaughtering the young Jedi going, Emperor-to-be? Just kidding....neoconservatism is not American property either as an ideology or as a word; it has different meanings in different countries, and different politics in different polities.....in Canada it's more connected to corporatism but it is shored up by the religious right and the usual redneck specctrum of the BC right. "untramelled free enterprise" with a maniacal faith in the wisdom of the market, and in restraint/anti-tax spending is all part of it. It may not be what you in the States (if that's where you are) call it, but it's called neoconservatism in Canada......and anyone familiar with BC's news knows that the Liberals are, well, just a bit more complicated than simply a small-c conservative party. "Radical" is a term that comes to mind, and in fact the Fraser Institute ilkes to bandy about the phrase "radical liberalism" (for over-the-top libertarianism....). Skookum1 ( talk) 02:44, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
The current regime, aka the Campbell Liberals, are notable for NOT having any connection with traditional liberalism in BC, and even more than the MiniWac Socreds (1975-1991) have extremely close ties to the Fraser Institute, which is one of the main mouthpieces for neoconservatism not just in Canada, but in all of North America. Pretending that connection does not exist is nonsense. While it's true that the historical Liberal Party (pre-1975) was "Liberal conservative" and, earlier one, even "liberal" by the standards of the time (e.g. the Pattullo administration), and that the Wilson Liberals who "brought the party back from the wilderness" were "real" Liberals, i.e. a centre party with leanings towards the social welfare state and social liberalism, but a fiscally conservative approach, there's NO WAY that either label applies to the party since 1996 when Campbell & Co. took over. That the party is (now) neo-conservative is widely supported, even in the mainstream media (who are not a reliable source for politics in BC, anything but); as an alliance of Tories, ex-Reform Party folks, a very few old-guard Liberals and a smattering of Socreds and various opportunists, does not equal either "liberalism" or "liberal conservatism". In light of all this, the Ideology section in the infobox should just be left empty, or not mentioned; unless qualified with "1903-1996: Liberalism. 1996-present NeoConservativism". Skookum1 ( talk) 21:07, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
The language/account in this section is heavily biased against Wilson:
The latter two sentences in particular are a gross distortion; the Liberals under Wilson proved quite effective in Opposition and if not for the scandal with Tyabji and the related leadership challenge, might have won in 1996; a poll history for that era would help to cite that, Wilson remained very popular with the public, including during the leadership challenge and in spite of his peccadillo with Tyabji. Proof of Wilson's policies not coinciding with "many" other Liberals in the House needs substantiation; yes, Gary Farrell-Collins was restive about Wilson and was seen as a federal-Liberal "mole" (he's the same Gary Collins who was about to take the stand in the BC Rail trial when it was suddenly ended by the controversial plea bargain/sentencing/court costs "deal"). As with distorted statements in the lede, now corrected, to me this section shows signs of COI editing by the Campbellite/Marrissenite p.r. crew. Skookum1 ( talk) 18:19, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
The leader listed under the first three "Election Results" is J.A. Macdonald. This links to a disambiguation page that does not include this person. (Sir John A. was dead by this time, so it can't be him - and the others appear to have represented Canadians in other provinces with no mention of being the first leader of the BC Libs.) 173.206.249.137 ( talk) 22:32, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Michaelm has deleted from the article reference to the current BC Liberal government trying toreduce the size ofthe provincial government. Can anyone confirm this, or, could Michaelm kindly provide some information relating tothis? Thanks. Kevintoronto 00:37, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Please see Template talk:Canadian Conservative Parties for a discussion of whether or not the BC Liberal Party be included in this list of Conservative parties? Vale of Glamorgan ( talk) 20:18, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
this edit removed cited material which should be restored, this one supplanted and referenced the "new" POV claim of being "centre to centre right". Both publications are from the UofT Press so equally "valid", but the COI nature of the second one might be (very likely) discoverable. This entire section (cited on the Wilson and other pages if not here) was also removed on the first edit: <quote>First elected into provincial government in 1916, the party went into decline after 1952, with its rump caucus merging with the Social Credit Party of British Columbia for the 1975 election. It was returned to the legislature through the efforts of Gordon Wilson in a break-through in the 1991 election. At this time, the Social Credit Party had collapsed, with the BC Liberals able to garner the centre vote traditionally split between left and right in British Columbia provincial politics. After Wilson lost a leadership challenge in the wake of a personal scandal in a bitter three-way race, the party was led by Gordon Campbell, who became Leader of the Opposition after Wilson's convention defeat. In the wake of the electoral collapse of the British Columbia New Democratic Party (BC NDP) in the 2001 election, the Campbell-led BC Liberals won an overwhelming majority in 2001. In November 2010, after mounting public opposition to a new tax and the controversial ending of a political corruption trial, and with low popularity ratings, Campbell announced his resignation, and on February 26, 2011, Christy Clark was elected as the party's new leader and thereby became 35th Premier of British Columbia.</quote> Isn't it interesting how loudly complaints were made about changes to the Dix page when the same vein of edits are made here without a peep. Of course, only one "side" is making such edits, and such complaints. I'm not going to bother restoring the deleted section, so I'm not "outed" and slandered in teh Vancouver Sun again for "somebody wants to keep XXX out of the YYY article". I hope other responsible wikipedians take note of these and both monitor this article and revert/integrate such edits instead of tolerating wanton censorship and revisionism by IP interlopers with obvious partisan agendas. Granted, I'm 15 hours ahead so other Canadians and BCers aren't awake yet; I remember middle-of-the-night-in-Canada when this kind of thing was going on before here, and on the Dix article, and so on..... Skookum1 ( talk) 06:50, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
It seems to me, that in the wake of Premier Clark's election, this article could use a more thoughtful examination of the party's ideology. Bluntly stating that it is a "centre right" or "conservative" party seems simplistic, considering polls show the party has a ton of federal Liberal supporters [1], including the current premier. The party does rely on Conservative networks for much of its organization and campaigning, but Liberal ones as well. Several of Premier McGuinty's top strategists were flown out to assist the 2013 Clark campaign, for instance [2].
Likewise, there are a number of issues where the party has opposed the federal Conservatives, and indeed, mainstream Canadian conservative opinion in general, such as the carbon tax and Vancouver's safe injection site.
In some of the discussions above, it's clear a lot of commenters/editors have simply hated the BC Liberals, and have presumed the party to be a radical, right-wing party on little evidence other than their own personal opinion. In the article itself, many of the "centre right" or "conservative" citations simply site authors who have described the party as conservative in passing, because that's the "conventional wisdom" but not because of a serious analysis of what the party actually believes.
I do not consider myself a BC Liberal supporter, but I do think the party is probably most accurately described as an "anti-NDP coalition" that supports broadly neo-liberal policies and is closer to the "centre" of the political spectrum than the "centre right" per se. I think you could make the case that it's one of the most aggressively pro-centre parties in Canada, in fact, at least in the sense that the data suggests it is indeed an alliance between the federal Libs and Tories, who are usually understood to represent the competing ideological poles of federal politics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.71.132.205 ( talk) 17:43, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.71.132.205 ( talk) 02:36, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
After considering my previous reply to yet another "I am not a BC Liberal supporter" who advances views that are overtly BC Liberal/partisan in nature, and given the false accusations against me re related topics that were made into a front-page issue by a "reliable source" who clearly wasn't reliable, I realize that the war over this page's content is never going to end; there are enough experienced, conscientious editors now aware of the thorny problems of ideology and partisanship that will always be trying to use Wikipedia to promote/spin their agenda, and blame partisan bias on the part of those editors who stand in their way. It's tiresome, and time-consuming, and unlike those many IP users and SPAs who come along with overtly partisan intent, I don't get paid nor have any political allegiances. Wikipedia famously is not about WP:TRUTH anyway, it's about citability ...... what constitutes a "reliable source" will always be an issue in BC, and re the national media, which is famously right-wing and anti-left wing despite the usual neocon complaint that the media are left-wing (har de har har har). The facts of what is being done to BC Hydro, what was done to BC Rail, what's really going on with provincial finances/debts are not in teh "reliable sources" but in "blogs" that are where the citable facts are to be found. Posturing by "I am not a BC Liberal supporter" people who push BC Liberal/federal Tory talking points is never going to stop, and I have been made a touchstone for their resentment against Wikipedia not caving into their wishes. To date, the Sun reporter who published a series of lies and distortions "stands by his article" and "has no regrets" and violated his Wikipedia usership with nearly every post, and with every article he published; I contacted him after all that about the edit war going on on t his page, which was clearly another partisan content-war, and he said he woudl refer it to his editors who may cover it. But they did not, nor of cousre were interested in anythign that diverges from their own advertorial agenda......clearly partisan from the get-go including aping what IP users had to say, including trying to get my blocked to silence me. You can have the playpen to yourselves now; it will always be a sandbox getting rained on and made muddy by people not wanting to admit to the facts and actually deleting cited materials as has often happened here; without a peep from teh "reliable sources" who made such a big issue over my role here, but had nothing to add other than more accusations and false representations about myself, and about Wikipedia. Skookum1 ( talk) 04:05, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
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Interim leaders perform the function of leadership even if it in a stop-gap period.
Therefore interim leaders should count.
Alternatively just get rid of the numbers and let the reader to come up with their own conclusion on this. 49.3.72.79 ( talk) 02:48, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Zussman seems to be reporting that Andrew Wilkinson is still leader of the party. It seems when Wilkinson resigned he only resigned as leader of the opposition, not party leader. So Shirley Bond may only be the caucus leader, not party leader. Not sure how we should deal with this. -- Darryl Kerrigan ( talk) 20:26, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
The term "Hung Parliament" is not typically used in Canada when referring to a Minority Parliament. If one looks at the Wiki for "Hung Parliament", the reason for this is quite clear: The idea of a Hung Parliament pertains to a situation in which no party has an automatic mandate to form government; in contrast, in Canada, the party with the most seats is always offered the chance to form government. This is why the NDP/Green government had to be formed after a non-confidence vote against the Liberals, who had automatically been offered the chance to govern after winning the most seats. 24.89.232.58 ( talk) 15:54, 15 May 2021 (UTC)Eh?
So if they rename themselves as planned, what acronym will describe the BC UC Party? KenWalker | Talk 06:48, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Acronyms are initials that can be pronounced as words and therefore does not apply in this case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.3.72.79 ( talk) 02:04, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
The name change took effect today. We need to update the article.-- Darryl Kerrigan ( talk) 00:34, 13 April 2023 (UTC)