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Hello! I am the author of the article Al-Noor Islamic Center shooting which I believe to be more objective and reliable than this article for following reasons:
1) This article states that "The gunman killed a young woman before going to the mosque". There are no sources for this. However I write in my article the following: "A young woman was found dead in his apartment" from the Independent writing "Several hours later it was reported that a young woman had been found dead at the suspect’s home and that he was suspected of murder" [1]. That is not the same as he killing her.
2) Article states "The gunman was later identified by a right-wing blog as Philip Manshaus, a 21-year-old Norwegian citizen" citing a blog which is unreliable.
3) "Hours before opening fire on the Al-Noor Islamic center, the suspect praised the Christchurch mosque shootings and the Poway synagogue shooting in a online post", again, no sources.
-- Albert Falk ( talk) 13:16, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Much appreciated!
-- Albert Falk ( talk) 14:43, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
References
There needs to be a template for baerum mosque shooting — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaysfan7077 ( talk • contribs) 14:39, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Until the police or his lawyers publicly announce the name of the suspect, we shouldn't and I'm pretty sure we're not allowed. Media can speculate, but wait for official statement. Even the most recent and reliable source for his name (NRK) has a very long paragraph at the bottom explaining that they have only just chosen to publish the name at the editor's discretion because there isn't complete information but they believe with the more serious charges it's of public interest to include his name. That's not an official police statement at all, which the article goes out of its way to make clear. Kingsif ( talk) 11:47, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
@ 46.249.244.178: please stop changing sourced info into something else. If you think it's accurate, please provide a source, thanks. Kingsif ( talk) 19:42, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I think that " Vidkun Quisling, the Norwegian Prime Minister who collaborated with the Nazis" could have been formulated better. Now it looks like VQ was elected prime minister of Norway and then chose to collaborate with the Nazis; in fact it was, of course, the other way round: VQ was a minor politician who chose to ally himself with the Nazis, who in turn rewarded him by temporarily making him some kind of - unconstitutional - government leader. How about " Vidkun Quisling, the Norwegian politician who collaborated with the Nazis" or something similar? T 85.166.160.249 ( talk) 22:37, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
according to "Arrest and charges" "On 17-February-2020 Danish prosecutors formally charged Mr. Manshaus with murder and terror." this is a mistake from this source " https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/news/world/2020/02/17/norway-terror-mosque-attack/111330612/" (archive https://web.archive.org/web/20200220063702/https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/world/2020/02/17/norway-terror-mosque-attack/111330612/)
both bærum and oslo is located in norway, but there is not one danish location mentioned in the article apart from the intro text, which erroneously sets "Copenhagen, Denmark" as the location of the story, sorry for the verbosity due to my tiredness but i would like that some of you fix it as my english literary abilities is subpar in my lucid state and even worse in an exhausted state. thank you for your patience reading this 85.113.171.38 ( talk) 07:16, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
A teenager was shot and killed in a house. Then buddy tried and failed to shoot up a mosque, when a scuffle occured. He was charged with murdering his stepsister with a gun, but not for poking a man in the eye. Pending conviction, he is a "suspect" and in the mosque context, no "shooter" or "gunman", just a wannabe and suspected terrorist. SharabSalam is apparently mad at me about another argument, so followed me here to revert wholesale, but my fixes make sense. Agree or don't, I refuse to fight hard for this shit article. InedibleHulk ( talk) 10:33, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
I added the name of the Asian victim of the murderer who carried out this attack and it was reverted with the reasoning 'no benefit in adding non notable name'. I believe there is a strong interest in adding the name of this victim. In Norway, the Asian community have been struggling with the erasure of this person's death due to her Asian origins in the public narrative. There's also an important symbology in remembering the names of victims of terrorist attacks. Dismissing this victim as 'non notable' is therefore part of the problem of the erasure of this person's victimhood. Here is a source about the victim and here is another source about racism towards Asian people in Norway. I would appreciate comments from other editors about the removal of the victim's name, which I do believe to be notable, and in the interests of the public discourse on this subject to be included in the article. -- Jwslubbock ( talk) 14:02, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
I think it would be appropriate to change the article to include the victim's name, considering that there are now multiple articles in the mainstream press discussing her in relation to the attack. More on that can be added to the article if need be, and I think it should as there were reports that she was concerned about his radicalization. Especially considering their family relation, it seems appropriate to mention her and in line with the wishes of the family, given how Manshaus's stepmother has spoken out.
Just wanted to seek consensus before making any edits. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 19:58, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
Source,
https://www.nettavisen.no/nyheter/manshaus-saken-gjenapnes-tar-avstand-fra-holdningene/s/5-95-1706719.
Nettavisen.no. Retrieved 2024-03-15.
80.67.37.2 (
talk) 13:44, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
The case is being opened today. It seems that the authorities have ruled that Manshaus was psychotic when he committed the crimes. Source, https://www.dagsavisen.no/nyheter/innenriks/2024/03/15/manshaus-saken-gjenapnes/. 80.67.37.2 ( talk) 13:52, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
While the biographies of living persons policy does not apply directly to the subject of this article, it may contain material that relates to living persons, such as friends and family of persons no longer living, or living persons involved in the subject matter. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons must be removed immediately. If such material is re-inserted repeatedly, or if there are other concerns related to this policy, please see this noticeboard. |
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hello! I am the author of the article Al-Noor Islamic Center shooting which I believe to be more objective and reliable than this article for following reasons:
1) This article states that "The gunman killed a young woman before going to the mosque". There are no sources for this. However I write in my article the following: "A young woman was found dead in his apartment" from the Independent writing "Several hours later it was reported that a young woman had been found dead at the suspect’s home and that he was suspected of murder" [1]. That is not the same as he killing her.
2) Article states "The gunman was later identified by a right-wing blog as Philip Manshaus, a 21-year-old Norwegian citizen" citing a blog which is unreliable.
3) "Hours before opening fire on the Al-Noor Islamic center, the suspect praised the Christchurch mosque shootings and the Poway synagogue shooting in a online post", again, no sources.
-- Albert Falk ( talk) 13:16, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Much appreciated!
-- Albert Falk ( talk) 14:43, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
References
There needs to be a template for baerum mosque shooting — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaysfan7077 ( talk • contribs) 14:39, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Until the police or his lawyers publicly announce the name of the suspect, we shouldn't and I'm pretty sure we're not allowed. Media can speculate, but wait for official statement. Even the most recent and reliable source for his name (NRK) has a very long paragraph at the bottom explaining that they have only just chosen to publish the name at the editor's discretion because there isn't complete information but they believe with the more serious charges it's of public interest to include his name. That's not an official police statement at all, which the article goes out of its way to make clear. Kingsif ( talk) 11:47, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
@ 46.249.244.178: please stop changing sourced info into something else. If you think it's accurate, please provide a source, thanks. Kingsif ( talk) 19:42, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I think that " Vidkun Quisling, the Norwegian Prime Minister who collaborated with the Nazis" could have been formulated better. Now it looks like VQ was elected prime minister of Norway and then chose to collaborate with the Nazis; in fact it was, of course, the other way round: VQ was a minor politician who chose to ally himself with the Nazis, who in turn rewarded him by temporarily making him some kind of - unconstitutional - government leader. How about " Vidkun Quisling, the Norwegian politician who collaborated with the Nazis" or something similar? T 85.166.160.249 ( talk) 22:37, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
according to "Arrest and charges" "On 17-February-2020 Danish prosecutors formally charged Mr. Manshaus with murder and terror." this is a mistake from this source " https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/news/world/2020/02/17/norway-terror-mosque-attack/111330612/" (archive https://web.archive.org/web/20200220063702/https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/world/2020/02/17/norway-terror-mosque-attack/111330612/)
both bærum and oslo is located in norway, but there is not one danish location mentioned in the article apart from the intro text, which erroneously sets "Copenhagen, Denmark" as the location of the story, sorry for the verbosity due to my tiredness but i would like that some of you fix it as my english literary abilities is subpar in my lucid state and even worse in an exhausted state. thank you for your patience reading this 85.113.171.38 ( talk) 07:16, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
A teenager was shot and killed in a house. Then buddy tried and failed to shoot up a mosque, when a scuffle occured. He was charged with murdering his stepsister with a gun, but not for poking a man in the eye. Pending conviction, he is a "suspect" and in the mosque context, no "shooter" or "gunman", just a wannabe and suspected terrorist. SharabSalam is apparently mad at me about another argument, so followed me here to revert wholesale, but my fixes make sense. Agree or don't, I refuse to fight hard for this shit article. InedibleHulk ( talk) 10:33, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
I added the name of the Asian victim of the murderer who carried out this attack and it was reverted with the reasoning 'no benefit in adding non notable name'. I believe there is a strong interest in adding the name of this victim. In Norway, the Asian community have been struggling with the erasure of this person's death due to her Asian origins in the public narrative. There's also an important symbology in remembering the names of victims of terrorist attacks. Dismissing this victim as 'non notable' is therefore part of the problem of the erasure of this person's victimhood. Here is a source about the victim and here is another source about racism towards Asian people in Norway. I would appreciate comments from other editors about the removal of the victim's name, which I do believe to be notable, and in the interests of the public discourse on this subject to be included in the article. -- Jwslubbock ( talk) 14:02, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
I think it would be appropriate to change the article to include the victim's name, considering that there are now multiple articles in the mainstream press discussing her in relation to the attack. More on that can be added to the article if need be, and I think it should as there were reports that she was concerned about his radicalization. Especially considering their family relation, it seems appropriate to mention her and in line with the wishes of the family, given how Manshaus's stepmother has spoken out.
Just wanted to seek consensus before making any edits. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 19:58, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
Source,
https://www.nettavisen.no/nyheter/manshaus-saken-gjenapnes-tar-avstand-fra-holdningene/s/5-95-1706719.
Nettavisen.no. Retrieved 2024-03-15.
80.67.37.2 (
talk) 13:44, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
The case is being opened today. It seems that the authorities have ruled that Manshaus was psychotic when he committed the crimes. Source, https://www.dagsavisen.no/nyheter/innenriks/2024/03/15/manshaus-saken-gjenapnes/. 80.67.37.2 ( talk) 13:52, 15 March 2024 (UTC)