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This is meaningless without some explanation of what "4-3-3" actually refers to. Loganberry ( Talk) 00:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Is this really of interest? Even if it is this statement has been show-horned in. Perhaps putting this line into a new section such as corperate responisbilty would be better.
B&Q DO NOT MAKE 50% on products across the board nor would it be logical to assume they do. Some products inevitably product higher profit margin rates than others, but trust me, I'm sure some of the small profit margins on big name products would make you wonder why B&Q even bother selling them. Without breaching data agreements I can confirm there are products where B&Q make more profict on the accessory osld with it than the actual unit itself!
To be technical (shouldnt we be on wikipedia), would it be better to say 20% discount on all products not already at store specific discount? And that the employee has to have been working there for 12 weeks before recieving the discount? And that (as of recently) a family member can also be given a discount card? And, non cited six months => eligable for a bonus is incorrect; There are various bonuses, one i just missed because i'd only been working there for 11 months when the bonus came in. I was told if i had been a month earlier i would have recieved the bonus. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.99.14.196 ( talk) 13:56, August 22, 2007 (UTC)
This statement is unfounded and pure speculation: "The Future... frequent rumours... ... Visitors to both Home Depot and B&Q stores will notice how remarkably similar stores in the two chains are to each other, both using an orange colour scheme and having a similar style layout."
Agreed. I've added the 'unreferenced' tag to the section but tbh I think it's highly unlikely that any reliable sources can be found for these statements. I would suggest the section be deleted. -- Careless hx 04:17, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
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This has to go, you'd be hard pushed to find any large company (or smaller for that matter) that doesn't have some annoyed customers capable of using the internet. The information is unencyclopedic and the sources are not sufficient.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.118.212 ( talk • contribs) 20:39, 19 November 2007
This article needs a serious amount of work on its references - none of which are properly formatted using the cite web template. -- TimTay ( talk) 10:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
When I googled "martini standard" and B&Q, the only references it showed was the B&Q Wikpedia entry and its derivatives - does this suggest that somebody posted something untruthful? Considering that the entire article lacks references in general. 141.20.210.41 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:23, 9 October 2009 (UTC).
I've deleted a paragraph from the B.26Q_today section because it is a news item that is now out of date. It also stated more than its reference. For the record, the paragraph read as follows
B&Q has recently seen a return to healthy figures following radical changes implemented by former CEO Ian Cheshire, including store closures, redundancies at the company's head office and store revamps. Ian has now moved up to the position of CEO of the Kingfisher Group. (Referencing: Mesure, Susie; Corresponent, Retail (2007-02-23). "Kingfisher predicts higher profits as B&Q sales recover". The Independent. London. Retrieved 2010-04-26.)
Stfg ( talk) 09:29, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Remind me, what's the template to say this isn't NPOV and reads like an ad? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.9.150 ( talk) 21:31, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
The store is located in Bridge of Don, Aberdeen. The river Dee is on the south, on the other side of the city. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.175.166.75 ( talk) 20:31, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
User K.slauter seems intent upon including coverage of a recent court case in the article as per the current edit (which I am leaving for now to avoid an edit war). I feel that this is not noteworthy and as such does not need to be included in the article. Further, the user has not integrated the matter into the article properly. Any comments? raseaC talk to me 20:55, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Well for not paying attention, I get the 'You broke the article!' award. With that said, I'd like to try to use this section to discuss reasons for and against using the above mentioned link. It does seem to fall under WP:Undue weight (sources) - SudoGhost ( talk) 20:49, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
I have no objection to a minor mention of the case. I've re-rormatted the entry but think that maybe a little more can be said about it, at the moment it's overly-brief so as far as to be pointless. raseaC talk to me 13:55, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
I had the misfortune of working for B&Q from 2003-2005 When I complained about the company policy of referring to non-white customers as "Niggers" it cost me my job. I feel in the 21st century that companies should not be allowed to behave in the same manner as say ...17th century slave traders. I'm sorry if my edits offended anyone, it was only my intention to forewarn members of the public to B&Q's racist policies. With regard to the "Kingfisher" I was told repeatedly at my induction that my job would be with B&Q Kingfisher and the perks that would come from being employed by Kingfisher, my company pension was also with Kingfisher. K.Slauter
I am very concerned by User K.slauter's editing at this article, which appears to be solely focused on adding 'controvery' type material, and doing so in a way which is misleading and ambiguous. The sentence 'In 2009 Michael O’Rourke became the tenth person to be killed or injured in a British or Irish B&Q store since 1997' is clearly ambiguous and misleading as it ties the word 'killed' with the word 'tenth', when the number who have died is in fact far less than 10. It also says nothing about the circumstances of the injuries or deaths.
Looking at User K.slauter's edit history they appear to be soley focused on this article, to be unwilling to enter into discussion on this Talk page, and to be solely focused on emphasising controversies rather than working to create a high-quality and balanced article. Rangoon11 ( talk) 15:08, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Sorry if my edit was considered ambiguous, I do feel I have a duty to inform people of B&Q's total disregard for the safety of its staff and customers, I will try to be less ambiguous in future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by K.slauter ( talk • contribs) 02:54, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
The article contains this sentence, "In 2004, a workforce survey found that racism was rife at B&Q." The source used to substantiate this claim does not include the word "rife", which appears to me to be a value judgement and to beg questions. I added the specific detail the source contains - that a third of employees had experienced racism at work - but this edit has been undone twice by user K.slauter without an edit summary or explanation. Making an unsubstantiated claim about a company has serious legal implications and is misleading to readers. Exok ( talk) 17:27, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
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B&Q carried out that study and "rife" means: widespread, abundant or numerous. "The survey found that more than a third of employees from ethnic backgrounds experience discrimination in their everyday lives." I guess when B&Q said "rife" they were referring to the 33 + % "Half of respondents had personally encountered barriers to employment due to their ethnic background." It would appear as if B&Q wish to kill all links that show them for what they are, A Racist Employer. And B&Q's record on safety of its staff and customers is a disgrace. I'm sorry that anyone is offended by the links I posted, until wiki tells me I cant continue to post I will carry on. § — Preceding unsigned comment added by K.slauter ( talk • contribs) 21:09, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
I am moving the Accidents and Environment sections to the Talk page in order for them to be reworked. These sections do not show any lasting impact on the company nor company response other than the paying of a fine.
Articles in Wikipedia must be written in a neutral tone and from a neutral point of view and must not take the form on an attack page (per WP:NPOV and WP:ATTACK). The material below does not exhibit those qualities, and should not be re-added to the article until it is refactored to be in line with Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Thanks -- Avanu ( talk) 01:47, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
In 2005 in Dorset B&Q a woman was crushed to death by a forklift while shopping. They received a fine of £550,000 as a result of this. [1]
In 2009 Michael O’Rourke was killed after fencing weighing half a tonne fell from a shelf. This was the 10th death recorded in a B&Q store. [2] Subsequently B&Q Ireland Ltd pleaded guilty to failing to ensure a safe workplace and were fined €250,000 at the Dublin Circuit Criminal Court in July 2011. [3]
During 2010 in Exeter at the Sowton B&Q store, they were found guilty of breaking health and safety laws. Two separate incidents involving forklift trucks were reported which left one man with head injuries, broken arm, leg and ankle. [4]
In January 2012 B&Q were found to be selling wood that had been illegally harvested from endangered rainforests harbouring the world’s dwindling orangutan population. Despite being investigated, the store still continued to sell the plywood. This bringing in to question their claims of being committed to using only products from "responsible sources". [5]
In April 2012 B&Q were found to have increased the amount of peat in their top soil. Peat is an unsustainable natural resource and peat bogs protect wetland habitats globally. They take millions of years to develop and home rare plants and animals. B&Q's decision to increase the peat goes against all of their claims of being 'green' and 'committed to the environment'. They continue to sell these products despite opposition. [6]
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Got input off page, and then removed the accidents section. This is simply WP:UNDUE for an article of this size. Per WP:BRD, please raise the issue here instead of adding them back now they have been reverted, etc. etc. I would also note (Malleus did, actually) that the numbers in the info box don't match the numbers in the prose, and need to be normalized. If I have time, I will check out the latest sources, but if someone is more familiar, please update them. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 15:55, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
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B&Q is no longer in China and Taiwan, so it would make sense for those references to be updated or removed.
Kingfisher don't report separate financial figures for B&Q - the ones up there aren't correct.
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This is meaningless without some explanation of what "4-3-3" actually refers to. Loganberry ( Talk) 00:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Is this really of interest? Even if it is this statement has been show-horned in. Perhaps putting this line into a new section such as corperate responisbilty would be better.
B&Q DO NOT MAKE 50% on products across the board nor would it be logical to assume they do. Some products inevitably product higher profit margin rates than others, but trust me, I'm sure some of the small profit margins on big name products would make you wonder why B&Q even bother selling them. Without breaching data agreements I can confirm there are products where B&Q make more profict on the accessory osld with it than the actual unit itself!
To be technical (shouldnt we be on wikipedia), would it be better to say 20% discount on all products not already at store specific discount? And that the employee has to have been working there for 12 weeks before recieving the discount? And that (as of recently) a family member can also be given a discount card? And, non cited six months => eligable for a bonus is incorrect; There are various bonuses, one i just missed because i'd only been working there for 11 months when the bonus came in. I was told if i had been a month earlier i would have recieved the bonus. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.99.14.196 ( talk) 13:56, August 22, 2007 (UTC)
This statement is unfounded and pure speculation: "The Future... frequent rumours... ... Visitors to both Home Depot and B&Q stores will notice how remarkably similar stores in the two chains are to each other, both using an orange colour scheme and having a similar style layout."
Agreed. I've added the 'unreferenced' tag to the section but tbh I think it's highly unlikely that any reliable sources can be found for these statements. I would suggest the section be deleted. -- Careless hx 04:17, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
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This has to go, you'd be hard pushed to find any large company (or smaller for that matter) that doesn't have some annoyed customers capable of using the internet. The information is unencyclopedic and the sources are not sufficient.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.118.212 ( talk • contribs) 20:39, 19 November 2007
This article needs a serious amount of work on its references - none of which are properly formatted using the cite web template. -- TimTay ( talk) 10:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
When I googled "martini standard" and B&Q, the only references it showed was the B&Q Wikpedia entry and its derivatives - does this suggest that somebody posted something untruthful? Considering that the entire article lacks references in general. 141.20.210.41 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:23, 9 October 2009 (UTC).
I've deleted a paragraph from the B.26Q_today section because it is a news item that is now out of date. It also stated more than its reference. For the record, the paragraph read as follows
B&Q has recently seen a return to healthy figures following radical changes implemented by former CEO Ian Cheshire, including store closures, redundancies at the company's head office and store revamps. Ian has now moved up to the position of CEO of the Kingfisher Group. (Referencing: Mesure, Susie; Corresponent, Retail (2007-02-23). "Kingfisher predicts higher profits as B&Q sales recover". The Independent. London. Retrieved 2010-04-26.)
Stfg ( talk) 09:29, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Remind me, what's the template to say this isn't NPOV and reads like an ad? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.9.150 ( talk) 21:31, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
The store is located in Bridge of Don, Aberdeen. The river Dee is on the south, on the other side of the city. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.175.166.75 ( talk) 20:31, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
User K.slauter seems intent upon including coverage of a recent court case in the article as per the current edit (which I am leaving for now to avoid an edit war). I feel that this is not noteworthy and as such does not need to be included in the article. Further, the user has not integrated the matter into the article properly. Any comments? raseaC talk to me 20:55, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Well for not paying attention, I get the 'You broke the article!' award. With that said, I'd like to try to use this section to discuss reasons for and against using the above mentioned link. It does seem to fall under WP:Undue weight (sources) - SudoGhost ( talk) 20:49, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
I have no objection to a minor mention of the case. I've re-rormatted the entry but think that maybe a little more can be said about it, at the moment it's overly-brief so as far as to be pointless. raseaC talk to me 13:55, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
I had the misfortune of working for B&Q from 2003-2005 When I complained about the company policy of referring to non-white customers as "Niggers" it cost me my job. I feel in the 21st century that companies should not be allowed to behave in the same manner as say ...17th century slave traders. I'm sorry if my edits offended anyone, it was only my intention to forewarn members of the public to B&Q's racist policies. With regard to the "Kingfisher" I was told repeatedly at my induction that my job would be with B&Q Kingfisher and the perks that would come from being employed by Kingfisher, my company pension was also with Kingfisher. K.Slauter
I am very concerned by User K.slauter's editing at this article, which appears to be solely focused on adding 'controvery' type material, and doing so in a way which is misleading and ambiguous. The sentence 'In 2009 Michael O’Rourke became the tenth person to be killed or injured in a British or Irish B&Q store since 1997' is clearly ambiguous and misleading as it ties the word 'killed' with the word 'tenth', when the number who have died is in fact far less than 10. It also says nothing about the circumstances of the injuries or deaths.
Looking at User K.slauter's edit history they appear to be soley focused on this article, to be unwilling to enter into discussion on this Talk page, and to be solely focused on emphasising controversies rather than working to create a high-quality and balanced article. Rangoon11 ( talk) 15:08, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Sorry if my edit was considered ambiguous, I do feel I have a duty to inform people of B&Q's total disregard for the safety of its staff and customers, I will try to be less ambiguous in future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by K.slauter ( talk • contribs) 02:54, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
The article contains this sentence, "In 2004, a workforce survey found that racism was rife at B&Q." The source used to substantiate this claim does not include the word "rife", which appears to me to be a value judgement and to beg questions. I added the specific detail the source contains - that a third of employees had experienced racism at work - but this edit has been undone twice by user K.slauter without an edit summary or explanation. Making an unsubstantiated claim about a company has serious legal implications and is misleading to readers. Exok ( talk) 17:27, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
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B&Q carried out that study and "rife" means: widespread, abundant or numerous. "The survey found that more than a third of employees from ethnic backgrounds experience discrimination in their everyday lives." I guess when B&Q said "rife" they were referring to the 33 + % "Half of respondents had personally encountered barriers to employment due to their ethnic background." It would appear as if B&Q wish to kill all links that show them for what they are, A Racist Employer. And B&Q's record on safety of its staff and customers is a disgrace. I'm sorry that anyone is offended by the links I posted, until wiki tells me I cant continue to post I will carry on. § — Preceding unsigned comment added by K.slauter ( talk • contribs) 21:09, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
I am moving the Accidents and Environment sections to the Talk page in order for them to be reworked. These sections do not show any lasting impact on the company nor company response other than the paying of a fine.
Articles in Wikipedia must be written in a neutral tone and from a neutral point of view and must not take the form on an attack page (per WP:NPOV and WP:ATTACK). The material below does not exhibit those qualities, and should not be re-added to the article until it is refactored to be in line with Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Thanks -- Avanu ( talk) 01:47, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
In 2005 in Dorset B&Q a woman was crushed to death by a forklift while shopping. They received a fine of £550,000 as a result of this. [1]
In 2009 Michael O’Rourke was killed after fencing weighing half a tonne fell from a shelf. This was the 10th death recorded in a B&Q store. [2] Subsequently B&Q Ireland Ltd pleaded guilty to failing to ensure a safe workplace and were fined €250,000 at the Dublin Circuit Criminal Court in July 2011. [3]
During 2010 in Exeter at the Sowton B&Q store, they were found guilty of breaking health and safety laws. Two separate incidents involving forklift trucks were reported which left one man with head injuries, broken arm, leg and ankle. [4]
In January 2012 B&Q were found to be selling wood that had been illegally harvested from endangered rainforests harbouring the world’s dwindling orangutan population. Despite being investigated, the store still continued to sell the plywood. This bringing in to question their claims of being committed to using only products from "responsible sources". [5]
In April 2012 B&Q were found to have increased the amount of peat in their top soil. Peat is an unsustainable natural resource and peat bogs protect wetland habitats globally. They take millions of years to develop and home rare plants and animals. B&Q's decision to increase the peat goes against all of their claims of being 'green' and 'committed to the environment'. They continue to sell these products despite opposition. [6]
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Got input off page, and then removed the accidents section. This is simply WP:UNDUE for an article of this size. Per WP:BRD, please raise the issue here instead of adding them back now they have been reverted, etc. etc. I would also note (Malleus did, actually) that the numbers in the info box don't match the numbers in the prose, and need to be normalized. If I have time, I will check out the latest sources, but if someone is more familiar, please update them. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 15:55, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
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B&Q is no longer in China and Taiwan, so it would make sense for those references to be updated or removed.
Kingfisher don't report separate financial figures for B&Q - the ones up there aren't correct.
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