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I disagree with the way these lists of members have been added, and I especially disagree with the "highest rank" associated with each individual, since virtually none of those ranks have anything to do with the individuals as members of the society. I suggest splitting off the list of members into a new article: List of members of the Aztec Club of 1847. By creating a stand alone list, a larger amount of trivia (such as ranks much later achieved) can be better integrated. Unless objection is raised, I'll boldly split this off in a few days. BusterD ( talk) 20:56, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Under the heading "Origins", the article states "The Aztec Club of 1847 is, in point of age, the second ranking American patriotic society, coming next after the Society of the Cincinnati." I'm not at all convinced this is accurate. According to its own website, the Aztec Club was founded on Oct. 13, 1847, which was during the middle of that War, and its original name was just "the Aztec Club". Furthermore, the Aztec's website describes its founding thus: "The Club was organized for the purpose of forming a resort for officers, as a promoter of good fellowship, and of furnishing a home where they could pass their leisure hours in social intercourse, and where more palatable and healthful viands could be procured at a reduced price than at the best Fandas of the city". That description is substantially different from the description of the organization today (an hereditary and patriotic society). The main rivals that I know of to that claim are those called "The Society of the War of 1812", which are actually two different groups -- one called "the Military Society...", and the other being a confederation of State organizations that are collected under a national umbrella called "the General Society..." According to the website of the Military Society, "The Military Society of the War of 1812 was formed 03 January 1826 by officers of the War of 1812 to press for pensions and bounty land legislation." Military Society website. According to the website of the General Society, "In 1841 the Defenders [the original name of the veterans of the War of 1812] met to establish a more formal organization. The following year a national encampment was held, with veterans attending from Pennsylvania, Virginia and the District of Columbia. President John Tyler reviewed the parading veterans. On the 14th of May 1842 the veterans received their first organizational charter in Maryland recorded in the Circuit court of Baltimore as 'The Association of the Defenders of Baltimore' and had as their purposes the encouraging of love of country, commemoration of the war, defraying of funeral expenses of veterans who were impoverished and the education of their children." Gen's Society website Consequently, I think it's difficult to prove the claim that the Aztec was founded first, given that its purpose has totally changed since its foundation, whereas the Maryland chapter of the Society of the War of 1812 had been chartered in 1841 with the same explicit purpose that it retains today. I don't have a dog in this race, but I think that the claim in the Aztec's article should be changed. Thoughts? Bricology ( talk) 17:24, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Specific issues of this article that require to be addressed:
Other issues include that there's only one "independent" source, this book of Breithaupt's. I'm quite startled to find that it's not in the collection of any library in central or western Massachusetts, nearly 200 public libraries and including the libraries of ten colleges, including the University of Massachusetts collection. This makes it extremely difficult to verify any statement in the article. Another issue is for a society that claims to still be in existence, there's nothing in this article to suggest that it didn't die out a century ago. What's the society's history after 1885? Where is it headquartered? Are their chapters? How many members does it have? What activities does it hold? How do you become a member? Rather ominously, the cited website doesn't answer these questions either. At all. It's entirely a history site.
It's all very well and good for Zigzig20s to drop a snippy edit summary and revert legitimate tags. It would've been a great deal better for Zigzig20s to recognize that there are numerous problems in this article, and that they need prompt addressing, and I'm quite startled that an editor with over 67,000 edits failed to notice. (Come to that, I'm going to eliminate those copyvios right now.) Ravenswing 09:26, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
How could you not mention Robert E. Lee! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.7.15 ( talk) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
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I disagree with the way these lists of members have been added, and I especially disagree with the "highest rank" associated with each individual, since virtually none of those ranks have anything to do with the individuals as members of the society. I suggest splitting off the list of members into a new article: List of members of the Aztec Club of 1847. By creating a stand alone list, a larger amount of trivia (such as ranks much later achieved) can be better integrated. Unless objection is raised, I'll boldly split this off in a few days. BusterD ( talk) 20:56, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Under the heading "Origins", the article states "The Aztec Club of 1847 is, in point of age, the second ranking American patriotic society, coming next after the Society of the Cincinnati." I'm not at all convinced this is accurate. According to its own website, the Aztec Club was founded on Oct. 13, 1847, which was during the middle of that War, and its original name was just "the Aztec Club". Furthermore, the Aztec's website describes its founding thus: "The Club was organized for the purpose of forming a resort for officers, as a promoter of good fellowship, and of furnishing a home where they could pass their leisure hours in social intercourse, and where more palatable and healthful viands could be procured at a reduced price than at the best Fandas of the city". That description is substantially different from the description of the organization today (an hereditary and patriotic society). The main rivals that I know of to that claim are those called "The Society of the War of 1812", which are actually two different groups -- one called "the Military Society...", and the other being a confederation of State organizations that are collected under a national umbrella called "the General Society..." According to the website of the Military Society, "The Military Society of the War of 1812 was formed 03 January 1826 by officers of the War of 1812 to press for pensions and bounty land legislation." Military Society website. According to the website of the General Society, "In 1841 the Defenders [the original name of the veterans of the War of 1812] met to establish a more formal organization. The following year a national encampment was held, with veterans attending from Pennsylvania, Virginia and the District of Columbia. President John Tyler reviewed the parading veterans. On the 14th of May 1842 the veterans received their first organizational charter in Maryland recorded in the Circuit court of Baltimore as 'The Association of the Defenders of Baltimore' and had as their purposes the encouraging of love of country, commemoration of the war, defraying of funeral expenses of veterans who were impoverished and the education of their children." Gen's Society website Consequently, I think it's difficult to prove the claim that the Aztec was founded first, given that its purpose has totally changed since its foundation, whereas the Maryland chapter of the Society of the War of 1812 had been chartered in 1841 with the same explicit purpose that it retains today. I don't have a dog in this race, but I think that the claim in the Aztec's article should be changed. Thoughts? Bricology ( talk) 17:24, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Specific issues of this article that require to be addressed:
Other issues include that there's only one "independent" source, this book of Breithaupt's. I'm quite startled to find that it's not in the collection of any library in central or western Massachusetts, nearly 200 public libraries and including the libraries of ten colleges, including the University of Massachusetts collection. This makes it extremely difficult to verify any statement in the article. Another issue is for a society that claims to still be in existence, there's nothing in this article to suggest that it didn't die out a century ago. What's the society's history after 1885? Where is it headquartered? Are their chapters? How many members does it have? What activities does it hold? How do you become a member? Rather ominously, the cited website doesn't answer these questions either. At all. It's entirely a history site.
It's all very well and good for Zigzig20s to drop a snippy edit summary and revert legitimate tags. It would've been a great deal better for Zigzig20s to recognize that there are numerous problems in this article, and that they need prompt addressing, and I'm quite startled that an editor with over 67,000 edits failed to notice. (Come to that, I'm going to eliminate those copyvios right now.) Ravenswing 09:26, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
How could you not mention Robert E. Lee! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.7.15 ( talk) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (UTC)