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This is odd, but I have some sources saying it's 18 stories, and some saying it's 16 stories. Don't know what to think about that. Going with 18, since the Kola Encyclopedia says so. Also not sure of the name -- will it retain its name or be renamed the Hotel Murmanks? Sources differ. We'll have to see what happens when it reopens. Until then, it's the Hotel Arctic, I guess. Herostratus ( talk) 04:55, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm confident that this is indeed the tallest building north of the Arctic Circle.
To define our terms, from List of tallest buildings and structures in the world: "The Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat, an organization that certifies buildings as the 'World’s Tallest', recognizes a building only if at least fifty percent of its height is made up of floor plates containing habitable floor area. Structures that do not meet this criterion, such as the CN Tower, are defined as 'towers'". This definition is generally used by Wikipedia for most of our articles. So for the purpose of determining a tallest building, radio masts are definitely not "buildings" and some towers like the Eiffel Tower are definitely not "buildings". Some other towers and also churches with tall steeples are possibly "buildings", but generally not considered to be, either on Wikipedia or elsewhere, although arguments arise.
OK moving on.
There is this (in Russian) which is an official government publication. But all it says is that it's the tallest building on the Kola Penninsula.
Looking at Arctic Circle, it's clear that Murmansk is the largest city north of it, by a very large margin. It's not credibly possible that there'd be taller commercial structure in North America, and very very unlikely that there'd be one in Eurasia. Norilsk, Vorkuta, and Tromsø are much smaller than Murmansk and it'd be insane for them to have a commercial structure taller than 16 stories. (Not talking about a mine crane or something but an actual building with occupied floors.) And I'm confident that they don't; if they did it would be mentioned in their articles, or somewhere.
It also seems not credible that there'd be a government or military building that tall north of the Circle. (Remember, not talking about radar towers etc. but actual buildings with occupied floors.) There is no reason for such an entity to exist, that I can possibly imagine. An airfield control tower would be the only possibility, I guess, but I can't imagine building one that tall that for north for any reason. It'd be huge construction project in the middle of frozen nowhere, and why? (And anyway it's almost certainly true that such a structure would be a "tower" and not a "building".)
Ditto a church steeple. Probably not a "building" for our purposes anyway, and it's not credible that one taller than a 16-story building exists north of the Circle. If there was one it'd be a wonder and there'd be some evidence of its existence on the web.
So to summarize:
So I'm good with stating that it's the tallest building north of the Arctic Circle and that the ref is good enough to support this. Herostratus ( talk) 19:10, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
OK, so now that we're confident of this ... just how tall is it, exactly? The article doesn't say. Daniel Case ( talk) 03:18, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Regarding high-rise, please see Wikipedia:ENDASH#Hyphens, I think "high-rise" is correct. See no. 3 (To link related terms in compound modifiers) and English_compound#Hyphenated_compound_adjectives Best, KennethSides ( talk) 12:12, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
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This is odd, but I have some sources saying it's 18 stories, and some saying it's 16 stories. Don't know what to think about that. Going with 18, since the Kola Encyclopedia says so. Also not sure of the name -- will it retain its name or be renamed the Hotel Murmanks? Sources differ. We'll have to see what happens when it reopens. Until then, it's the Hotel Arctic, I guess. Herostratus ( talk) 04:55, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm confident that this is indeed the tallest building north of the Arctic Circle.
To define our terms, from List of tallest buildings and structures in the world: "The Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat, an organization that certifies buildings as the 'World’s Tallest', recognizes a building only if at least fifty percent of its height is made up of floor plates containing habitable floor area. Structures that do not meet this criterion, such as the CN Tower, are defined as 'towers'". This definition is generally used by Wikipedia for most of our articles. So for the purpose of determining a tallest building, radio masts are definitely not "buildings" and some towers like the Eiffel Tower are definitely not "buildings". Some other towers and also churches with tall steeples are possibly "buildings", but generally not considered to be, either on Wikipedia or elsewhere, although arguments arise.
OK moving on.
There is this (in Russian) which is an official government publication. But all it says is that it's the tallest building on the Kola Penninsula.
Looking at Arctic Circle, it's clear that Murmansk is the largest city north of it, by a very large margin. It's not credibly possible that there'd be taller commercial structure in North America, and very very unlikely that there'd be one in Eurasia. Norilsk, Vorkuta, and Tromsø are much smaller than Murmansk and it'd be insane for them to have a commercial structure taller than 16 stories. (Not talking about a mine crane or something but an actual building with occupied floors.) And I'm confident that they don't; if they did it would be mentioned in their articles, or somewhere.
It also seems not credible that there'd be a government or military building that tall north of the Circle. (Remember, not talking about radar towers etc. but actual buildings with occupied floors.) There is no reason for such an entity to exist, that I can possibly imagine. An airfield control tower would be the only possibility, I guess, but I can't imagine building one that tall that for north for any reason. It'd be huge construction project in the middle of frozen nowhere, and why? (And anyway it's almost certainly true that such a structure would be a "tower" and not a "building".)
Ditto a church steeple. Probably not a "building" for our purposes anyway, and it's not credible that one taller than a 16-story building exists north of the Circle. If there was one it'd be a wonder and there'd be some evidence of its existence on the web.
So to summarize:
So I'm good with stating that it's the tallest building north of the Arctic Circle and that the ref is good enough to support this. Herostratus ( talk) 19:10, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
OK, so now that we're confident of this ... just how tall is it, exactly? The article doesn't say. Daniel Case ( talk) 03:18, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Regarding high-rise, please see Wikipedia:ENDASH#Hyphens, I think "high-rise" is correct. See no. 3 (To link related terms in compound modifiers) and English_compound#Hyphenated_compound_adjectives Best, KennethSides ( talk) 12:12, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
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