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sorry,you have mistaken the poet Ayyappan with the 'god' Ayyappan.This is a serious error to be corrected
"The temple is unique in all India, in that there is no distinction of caste or religion in determining who can enter it." - I fail to see how this is a true statement. There are many sects of Hinduism that have similar statements and as such I am going to remove the unique from the sentence.
The link to Lord Ayyappa's consort 'Poorna' is incorrect. It points to an irrelevant page. Could someone correct please? - 6th July 2017
Cleaned up the article removed duplicate links, added relavency
to GOD AYYAPA & Linked 2 Lord Ayyappa Article
Tux the penguin
06:07, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
Its saddening to see the state of this article. No attempt has been made to dig out the real history behind Lor ayyappa and no mentions of buddhism have been made. Even in this world of science and technology all I can see is just the myth which itself has lots of Ridicules in it. I am disappointed. --ചള്ളിയാന് 17:25, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
There are no restrictions on nationality and religion as far as entry into Sabarimala is concerned. Only ladies in the age group of 10 and 50 are not allowed beyond pampa river — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.174.49.250 ( talk) 03:54, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
tourists and foreigners (and menstruating women) are not allowed (see Sabarimala). the article needs to be corrected. -- ti 05:24, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
You may correct it yourself if you can provide sufficient verification.-- AaronCarson ( talk) 21:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
The website says "This reference article is mainly selected from the English Wikipedia with only minor checks and changes (see www.wikipedia.org for details of authors and sources) and is available under the GNU Free Documentation License. See also our Disclaimer." Wikipedia has not copied the article, the site has copied wikipedia. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 05:10, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I had uploaded a pic of Ayyyappan(AYYAPPAN.jpg), but i couldnt work it out on this page. Help solicited. Arjun024 ( talk) 08:26, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
No Ayyanar and Ayyappan are one and the same. Ayyanaar is also the son of Shiva and Vishnu in his Mohini avatar. In fact, foster father of Ayyappan is Raja Sekhara Pandian and Pandian dynasty had its capital at Madurai, down south of Tamilnadu. Pandalam, the place where Lord Ayyappan was brought up was ruled by Pandian dynasty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.174.49.250 ( talk) 03:58, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
The article says that Ayyappan and Ayyanar are the same and that the Tamils call Ayyappan as Ayyanar. To the best of my knowledge this is incorrect. I'm a Tamil. Ayyappan is identified as the son of Shiva and Vishnu and is a totally different god, whilst Ayyanar is a rural god of protection. Each village has its own version of Ayyanar alias Muneeswarar alias Karuppsamy etc. These gods of protection are manifestations of Shiva. This is apparent from the weapons that these gods have. Most have Trishuls, along with huge swords or long sickles. Moreover, some of these gods are shown with a third eye(iconic of Shiva) and have three horizontal lines of holy hash decorating their foreheads(another symbol of Shiva). Hence I am removing the statement Mr.Falcon ( talk) 16:47, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Please stop vandalism —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.254.131.60 ( talk) 12:22, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
IP Editor 218.186.16.228 asserts are you the tantri? Horse is for Sastha, not for Ayyappa. Ayyappa is an incarnation of Sastha. and reverts my edit.
I am not thanthri. Thazhamon family are the thanthris. Thanthri Kantararu Rajeevaru has specifically clarified that Horse is the mount of Lord Ayyappa, the presiding deity of Sabarimala. It came in the Sabaramala supplement of MAthrubhumi.
The proof is visible to anyone visiting the temple. As per the thanthra rules, the idol on the top of the flagpole is the mount of the deity. The horse is the idol on top of the flagpole. That is paraphrasing Sri Rajeevaru. In the matter of temples, the word of the thanthri is final.
Also, remember the phrases thuraga vaahanam and vaaji vaahanam in harivaraasanam
DileepKS( talk) 02:58, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
I would like to propose the removal of sections: Victory, Prasadam, Pilgrimage, Offerings, The Austerities and The Guru from this article or consider moving them or merging them with the article on Sabarimala. They do not seem to be necessary as part of an article on Ayyappan. Prad2609 ( talk) 06:15, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
The statement<Recent research has led researchers to believe that the chant of Swamiye Saranam Ayyappa to be an adaptation of Buddham Sharanam Gachhami and also claim that the idol of Ayyappa has great similarity to Buddhist idols. Hence, they consider him to be an incarnation of the Buddha[1]
The link providing this statement has not provided any hard facts. Only saying recent research. Research by whom? Ayyappa has nothing to do with Buddhism.
Also the statement <Hence, they consider him to be an incarnation of the Buddha[1]> is not mentioned in same article. This is only an opinion and should be removed to prevent confusion, because...Buddha Avatara was an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. Please provide references to where Buddha himself had incarnations. I don't believe it works that way. Hanumanta ( talk) 22:51, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Ayyappan's wives Poorna and Pushkala Sabarimala — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boboshowme ( talk • contribs) 19:20, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
No one ever mention sources of Ayyappa story from puarana. Is these stories are purely local? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.168.79.1 ( talk) 12:26, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Lord Ayyappa's History(Purana)can be updated from the below link
http://www.ayyappatemple.in/history1.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Padmanaban.nitt ( talk • contribs) 09:02, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
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@ Ms Sarah Welch: I have made some improvements to the article, please see if they are good. See revision before here and the current revision and please suggest some improvements. You are the user who primarily knows a lot about reliable sources in Hinduism, hence asking. Thanks, 86.97.129.80 ( talk) 08:03, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
2.51.18.247: I moved the unusual Achankovil temple info from the lead to main, per our lead guidelines. I also added more sources. Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 11:13, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
@ Ms Sarah Welch: Is this a reliable source ? It talk about Ayyappan being an incarnation of Dharmashasta. 2.51.18.247 ( talk) 14:53, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
@ Ms Sarah Welch: Hi, its me again, I have added two more sources, please check if they are reliable, Thanks 2.51.22.222 ( talk) 19:40, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi am trying to add some improvements to the content. But is not possible.i can also fetch u reliable sources. Kindly help me. Vish ind ( talk) 22:10, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Consensus reached. No name change. Add alt names for Ayyappan.( non-admin closure) Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 15:17, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Ayyappan → Ayyappa – I feel that Ayyappa is more common than Ayyappan. Google search for the exact term "Ayyappa" provides 60,90,000 results, while search for the term "Ayyappan" yields 23,90,000 results. (I have difficulty linking the url, so please pardon.) I examined both urls and they don't seem to give false positives. I further checked using ngram, which shows the same results. @ Ms Sarah Welch and 2.51.22.222: pinging two contributors who seem to know a lot about the topic and improved the article to nearly GA status. I may be wrong with the statistics, so please correct me if wrong. King Prithviraj II ( talk) 21:09, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
Ok, seeing that Britannica uses Ayyappan but Ayyappa is common, either word should be used with caution. I just did some research on this topic, South Indian languages tend to add an n after a name, like Raman and Shivan. So it seems it is grammatically correct in Malayalam. (Which doesn't actually matter to English Wikipedia, but just checking all sides) I have a question though, some sources do spell it as Ayyappa, so when citing those sources, are we supposed to stick to the name of the article or name in the source ? Also, shouldn't WP:COMMONNAME be considered and given more weightage as Common name is a policy and WP:RS is a content guideline ? Thanks, King Prithviraj II ( talk) 17:12, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
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I was trying to see why we have multiple page histories for this subject, and here is the timeline:
The history from Dec 2004-May 2006 is at Ayyappa. Jay (Talk) 19:04, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
If this legend came about in 1st and 3rd century, how do we relate it to Muslim and Islam which started around 642 to 750 AD. Both started on two different time line. Or there is a big mix up.
Point to be thought of......... 49.207.209.123 ( talk) 18:48, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
The article prior to my edit shortly before writing this said in the lead that Muslims in Kerala honour Ayyappan, and linked it to three sources. None of those sources say exactly that Muslims in Kerala honour Ayyappan; what they do say is that Hindus in Kerala honour Vavar Swamy, a Muslim character found in the legends of Ayyappan. Indielov ( talk) 10:06, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
This kind of tradition of ‘woman entering’ can also be seen in some orthodox churches. [1] Rowei99 ( talk) 08:41, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
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sorry,you have mistaken the poet Ayyappan with the 'god' Ayyappan.This is a serious error to be corrected
"The temple is unique in all India, in that there is no distinction of caste or religion in determining who can enter it." - I fail to see how this is a true statement. There are many sects of Hinduism that have similar statements and as such I am going to remove the unique from the sentence.
The link to Lord Ayyappa's consort 'Poorna' is incorrect. It points to an irrelevant page. Could someone correct please? - 6th July 2017
Cleaned up the article removed duplicate links, added relavency
to GOD AYYAPA & Linked 2 Lord Ayyappa Article
Tux the penguin
06:07, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
Its saddening to see the state of this article. No attempt has been made to dig out the real history behind Lor ayyappa and no mentions of buddhism have been made. Even in this world of science and technology all I can see is just the myth which itself has lots of Ridicules in it. I am disappointed. --ചള്ളിയാന് 17:25, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
There are no restrictions on nationality and religion as far as entry into Sabarimala is concerned. Only ladies in the age group of 10 and 50 are not allowed beyond pampa river — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.174.49.250 ( talk) 03:54, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
tourists and foreigners (and menstruating women) are not allowed (see Sabarimala). the article needs to be corrected. -- ti 05:24, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
You may correct it yourself if you can provide sufficient verification.-- AaronCarson ( talk) 21:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
The website says "This reference article is mainly selected from the English Wikipedia with only minor checks and changes (see www.wikipedia.org for details of authors and sources) and is available under the GNU Free Documentation License. See also our Disclaimer." Wikipedia has not copied the article, the site has copied wikipedia. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 05:10, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I had uploaded a pic of Ayyyappan(AYYAPPAN.jpg), but i couldnt work it out on this page. Help solicited. Arjun024 ( talk) 08:26, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
No Ayyanar and Ayyappan are one and the same. Ayyanaar is also the son of Shiva and Vishnu in his Mohini avatar. In fact, foster father of Ayyappan is Raja Sekhara Pandian and Pandian dynasty had its capital at Madurai, down south of Tamilnadu. Pandalam, the place where Lord Ayyappan was brought up was ruled by Pandian dynasty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.174.49.250 ( talk) 03:58, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
The article says that Ayyappan and Ayyanar are the same and that the Tamils call Ayyappan as Ayyanar. To the best of my knowledge this is incorrect. I'm a Tamil. Ayyappan is identified as the son of Shiva and Vishnu and is a totally different god, whilst Ayyanar is a rural god of protection. Each village has its own version of Ayyanar alias Muneeswarar alias Karuppsamy etc. These gods of protection are manifestations of Shiva. This is apparent from the weapons that these gods have. Most have Trishuls, along with huge swords or long sickles. Moreover, some of these gods are shown with a third eye(iconic of Shiva) and have three horizontal lines of holy hash decorating their foreheads(another symbol of Shiva). Hence I am removing the statement Mr.Falcon ( talk) 16:47, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Please stop vandalism —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.254.131.60 ( talk) 12:22, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
IP Editor 218.186.16.228 asserts are you the tantri? Horse is for Sastha, not for Ayyappa. Ayyappa is an incarnation of Sastha. and reverts my edit.
I am not thanthri. Thazhamon family are the thanthris. Thanthri Kantararu Rajeevaru has specifically clarified that Horse is the mount of Lord Ayyappa, the presiding deity of Sabarimala. It came in the Sabaramala supplement of MAthrubhumi.
The proof is visible to anyone visiting the temple. As per the thanthra rules, the idol on the top of the flagpole is the mount of the deity. The horse is the idol on top of the flagpole. That is paraphrasing Sri Rajeevaru. In the matter of temples, the word of the thanthri is final.
Also, remember the phrases thuraga vaahanam and vaaji vaahanam in harivaraasanam
DileepKS( talk) 02:58, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
I would like to propose the removal of sections: Victory, Prasadam, Pilgrimage, Offerings, The Austerities and The Guru from this article or consider moving them or merging them with the article on Sabarimala. They do not seem to be necessary as part of an article on Ayyappan. Prad2609 ( talk) 06:15, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
The statement<Recent research has led researchers to believe that the chant of Swamiye Saranam Ayyappa to be an adaptation of Buddham Sharanam Gachhami and also claim that the idol of Ayyappa has great similarity to Buddhist idols. Hence, they consider him to be an incarnation of the Buddha[1]
The link providing this statement has not provided any hard facts. Only saying recent research. Research by whom? Ayyappa has nothing to do with Buddhism.
Also the statement <Hence, they consider him to be an incarnation of the Buddha[1]> is not mentioned in same article. This is only an opinion and should be removed to prevent confusion, because...Buddha Avatara was an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. Please provide references to where Buddha himself had incarnations. I don't believe it works that way. Hanumanta ( talk) 22:51, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Ayyappan's wives Poorna and Pushkala Sabarimala — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boboshowme ( talk • contribs) 19:20, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
No one ever mention sources of Ayyappa story from puarana. Is these stories are purely local? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.168.79.1 ( talk) 12:26, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Lord Ayyappa's History(Purana)can be updated from the below link
http://www.ayyappatemple.in/history1.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Padmanaban.nitt ( talk • contribs) 09:02, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
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@ Ms Sarah Welch: I have made some improvements to the article, please see if they are good. See revision before here and the current revision and please suggest some improvements. You are the user who primarily knows a lot about reliable sources in Hinduism, hence asking. Thanks, 86.97.129.80 ( talk) 08:03, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
2.51.18.247: I moved the unusual Achankovil temple info from the lead to main, per our lead guidelines. I also added more sources. Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 11:13, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
@ Ms Sarah Welch: Is this a reliable source ? It talk about Ayyappan being an incarnation of Dharmashasta. 2.51.18.247 ( talk) 14:53, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
@ Ms Sarah Welch: Hi, its me again, I have added two more sources, please check if they are reliable, Thanks 2.51.22.222 ( talk) 19:40, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi am trying to add some improvements to the content. But is not possible.i can also fetch u reliable sources. Kindly help me. Vish ind ( talk) 22:10, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Consensus reached. No name change. Add alt names for Ayyappan.( non-admin closure) Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 15:17, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Ayyappan → Ayyappa – I feel that Ayyappa is more common than Ayyappan. Google search for the exact term "Ayyappa" provides 60,90,000 results, while search for the term "Ayyappan" yields 23,90,000 results. (I have difficulty linking the url, so please pardon.) I examined both urls and they don't seem to give false positives. I further checked using ngram, which shows the same results. @ Ms Sarah Welch and 2.51.22.222: pinging two contributors who seem to know a lot about the topic and improved the article to nearly GA status. I may be wrong with the statistics, so please correct me if wrong. King Prithviraj II ( talk) 21:09, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
Ok, seeing that Britannica uses Ayyappan but Ayyappa is common, either word should be used with caution. I just did some research on this topic, South Indian languages tend to add an n after a name, like Raman and Shivan. So it seems it is grammatically correct in Malayalam. (Which doesn't actually matter to English Wikipedia, but just checking all sides) I have a question though, some sources do spell it as Ayyappa, so when citing those sources, are we supposed to stick to the name of the article or name in the source ? Also, shouldn't WP:COMMONNAME be considered and given more weightage as Common name is a policy and WP:RS is a content guideline ? Thanks, King Prithviraj II ( talk) 17:12, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
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I was trying to see why we have multiple page histories for this subject, and here is the timeline:
The history from Dec 2004-May 2006 is at Ayyappa. Jay (Talk) 19:04, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
If this legend came about in 1st and 3rd century, how do we relate it to Muslim and Islam which started around 642 to 750 AD. Both started on two different time line. Or there is a big mix up.
Point to be thought of......... 49.207.209.123 ( talk) 18:48, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
The article prior to my edit shortly before writing this said in the lead that Muslims in Kerala honour Ayyappan, and linked it to three sources. None of those sources say exactly that Muslims in Kerala honour Ayyappan; what they do say is that Hindus in Kerala honour Vavar Swamy, a Muslim character found in the legends of Ayyappan. Indielov ( talk) 10:06, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
This kind of tradition of ‘woman entering’ can also be seen in some orthodox churches. [1] Rowei99 ( talk) 08:41, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
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