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To make the article unbiased and to provide a fair comparative context, please add the following to the end of the last paragraph of the lead of this article.
Edit note: with condensed and rephrased text from adverse effect.
Comparatively, the modern Western medicine also causes adverse side effects and complications, [1] [2] causing at least 142,000 deaths globally in 2013, [3] resulting in numerous lawsuits against western drug manufacturers. [4] [5] 119.74.238.54 ( talk) 13:54, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
References
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^ Howick, Jeremy; Webster, Rebecca; Kirby, Nigel; Hood, Kerry (2018-12-11).
"Rapid overview of systematic reviews of nocebo effects reported by patients taking placebos in clinical trials". Trials. 19 (1): 674.
doi:
10.1186/s13063-018-3042-4.
ISSN
1745-6215.
PMC
6288933.
PMID
30526685.
{{ cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI ( link) - ^ Howick, Jeremy (2020). "Unethical informed consent caused by overlooking poorly measured nocebo effects". Journal of Medical Ethics. 47 (9): medethics-2019-105903. doi: 10.1136/medethics-2019-105903. PMID 32063581. S2CID 211134874.
- ^ GBD 2013 Mortality Causes of Death Collaborators (January 2015). "Global, regional, and national age-sex specific all-cause and cause-specific mortality for 240 causes of death, 1990-2013: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2013". Lancet. 385 (9963): 117–71. doi: 10.1016/S0140-6736(14)61682-2. PMC 4340604. PMID 25530442.
- ^ "Thimerosal in Vaccines". U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Archived from the original on January 6, 2013. Retrieved March 16, 2013.
- ^ Jaslow, R. (March 29, 2012). "CDC sees autism rate rise 25%". CBS News. Archived from the original on March 20, 2013. Retrieved March 16, 2013.
Not done - we shouldn't be suggesting equivalency between modern medicine, which while not perfect is highly effective, and pseudoscience like Ayurveda.
BilledMammal (
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14:08, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2023
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edit request to
Ayurveda has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please edit the first sentence in the lede
roots in the Hinduism and the Indian subcontinent. [1] [2]
Thank you. 119.74.238.54 ( talk) 13:10, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
References
- ^ John Forbes Royle, 1837, An Essay on the Antiquity of Hindoo Medicine, W. H. Allen & Co..
- ^ Sivananda Datta, 2022, Ayurveda: Unlocking the Secrets of Hindu Healing Through the Ayurveda Diet, Yoga, Aromatherapy, Vata Dosha and Meditation, Springer Publishing.
- I'm not generally opposed to the edit, but I am unconvinced by the sources neither of which - the former due to age, the latter due to content - appear to be overly reliable. BilledMammal ( talk) 14:07, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a
consensus for this alteration
before using the {{ Edit semi-protected}}template. -- Pinchme123 ( talk) 05:00, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
Unnecessary descriptor
>Through well-understood processes of modernization and globalization, ayurveda has been adapted for Western consumption
Are these processes really "well-understood"? I see the source referenced has essays on the development of international brands of the subject but the wording makes it sound like the results of Eastern and Western cultural mingling are easily predictable. Anyone interested in striking that descriptor? I feel like quite the pedant here, but it hits a tone that annoys me. 2600:1015:B12A:24C7:3852:9FB8:5D5C:F4A1 ( talk) 20:25, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Done. I agree. It sounded pretty bad, given that the next sentence calls out fraud. Not pedantic at all, thanks. --
Tryptofish (
talk)
20:33, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2023 (2)
| This
edit request to
Ayurveda has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
To make the article unbiased and to provide a fair comparative context, please add the following to the end of the last paragraph of the lead of this article.
Edit note: with condensed and rephrased text from adverse effect.
Comparatively, the modern Western medicine also causes adverse side effects and complications, [1] [2] causing at least 142,000 deaths globally in 2013, [3] resulting in numerous lawsuits against western drug manufacturers. [4] [5] 119.74.238.54 ( talk) 13:54, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
References
-
^ Howick, Jeremy; Webster, Rebecca; Kirby, Nigel; Hood, Kerry (2018-12-11).
"Rapid overview of systematic reviews of nocebo effects reported by patients taking placebos in clinical trials". Trials. 19 (1): 674.
doi:
10.1186/s13063-018-3042-4.
ISSN
1745-6215.
PMC
6288933.
PMID
30526685.
{{ cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI ( link) - ^ Howick, Jeremy (2020). "Unethical informed consent caused by overlooking poorly measured nocebo effects". Journal of Medical Ethics. 47 (9): medethics-2019-105903. doi: 10.1136/medethics-2019-105903. PMID 32063581. S2CID 211134874.
- ^ GBD 2013 Mortality Causes of Death Collaborators (January 2015). "Global, regional, and national age-sex specific all-cause and cause-specific mortality for 240 causes of death, 1990-2013: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2013". Lancet. 385 (9963): 117–71. doi: 10.1016/S0140-6736(14)61682-2. PMC 4340604. PMID 25530442.
- ^ "Thimerosal in Vaccines". U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Archived from the original on January 6, 2013. Retrieved March 16, 2013.
- ^ Jaslow, R. (March 29, 2012). "CDC sees autism rate rise 25%". CBS News. Archived from the original on March 20, 2013. Retrieved March 16, 2013.
- Not done - we shouldn't be suggesting equivalency between modern medicine, which while not perfect is highly effective, and pseudoscience like Ayurveda.
BilledMammal (
talk)
14:08, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2023
| This
edit request to
Ayurveda has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please edit the first sentence in the lede
roots in the Hinduism and the Indian subcontinent. [1] [2]
Thank you. 119.74.238.54 ( talk) 13:10, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
References
- ^ John Forbes Royle, 1837, An Essay on the Antiquity of Hindoo Medicine, W. H. Allen & Co..
- ^ Sivananda Datta, 2022, Ayurveda: Unlocking the Secrets of Hindu Healing Through the Ayurveda Diet, Yoga, Aromatherapy, Vata Dosha and Meditation, Springer Publishing.
- I'm not generally opposed to the edit, but I am unconvinced by the sources neither of which - the former due to age, the latter due to content - appear to be overly reliable. BilledMammal ( talk) 14:07, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
- Not done for now: please establish a
consensus for this alteration
before using the
{{ Edit semi-protected}}template. -- Pinchme123 ( talk) 05:00, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
Unnecessary descriptor
>Through well-understood processes of modernization and globalization, ayurveda has been adapted for Western consumption
Are these processes really "well-understood"? I see the source referenced has essays on the development of international brands of the subject but the wording makes it sound like the results of Eastern and Western cultural mingling are easily predictable. Anyone interested in striking that descriptor? I feel like quite the pedant here, but it hits a tone that annoys me. 2600:1015:B12A:24C7:3852:9FB8:5D5C:F4A1 ( talk) 20:25, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Done. I agree. It sounded pretty bad, given that the next sentence calls out fraud. Not pedantic at all, thanks. --
Tryptofish (
talk)
20:33, 22 February 2024 (UTC)