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To all who may read this, I am very proud to announce that this page is now "open for business". I have linked every medal that has an associated article. Please feel free to add new articles for those awards which are not yet described. - User:Husnock 23 June 2004
Yeah, thats a pretty good idea. I used to be agaist that, since I saw the red articles as "broken links". But, they do light up in every connected article once an article is written. I will probably not do that for every single decoration on the page. Just the ones that I know I will be working on the near future. Dont let that stop other people, though. Link away, I say - User:Husnock
To the loyal followers of this page, I tried to get it as a featured article, but that got shot down pretty quickly. How vain am I, but I find it a little amazing that anyone could say negative things about this article! Oh well. :-) - User:Husnock 7 Jul 2004
I was just being vain. You are absolutely right, it IS a list article. One of the associated medals articles might be worthy, but this one is not. I took it off the candidate list as fast as I had put it on. Best- User:Husnock 8 Jul 2004
To the followers of this article, a large number of medal articles have been written and linked to this page. The section on Vietnam War medals will most likely be finished by next week. Thanks for everyone's support! user:Husnock 12 Jul 2004
I'm proud to annouce the opening of the Good Conduct Medal article. That one took quite a bit of research to write. The Reserve Good Conduct Medal article will be coming shortly. User:Husnock 24 Jul 04
I am researching some new medals for articles and am having a very hard time finding photos of the following medals.
Looking for pictures of the full sized medals, not just the ribbon. If anyone has photos or pictures of those medals, please start an article and post them to the article! - User:Husnock 3 Sep 04
I'm pleased to announce the completion of the "Devices" section in which all attachments and devices to U.S. military awards are now catalouged. Enjoy! - User:Husnock 5 Sep 04
For the followers of this page, check out my User profile to see what this mad scientist looks like...picture posted today on occasion of my 29th birthday! Husnock 12 Sep 2004
Today marks a great milestone in this article. Every modern medal of the United States military is now indexed with an article. Ribbons, obsolete medals, civilian decorations, and foreign medals remain.
To add to the greatness of this article, I have begun adding ribbon pics of all the awards. This will expand the article from a simple list to a bonified index. Enjoy! Husnock 2 Oct 2004
I just finished a major picture upload, article rewrite, and revamp of the Second World War foreign medals section. I took out some of the rarer medals which weren't bestwoed that often. Among them the Order of the White Lion of Czechoslovakia and the senior medals of the Philippine Islands. If anyone notices a common World War II medal, which was awarded to U.S. troops and was omitted, please let me know. Enjoy the update! - Husnock 20 Oct 2004
I dont know if there are any administrators out there watching this page, but this may be oif interest. I discovered this entire article, indeed half of Wilkipedia, has been copied over to the following webpage.
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/
The articles are carbon copies of the ones poste don this site, complete with links. It also is NOT a free website, in that I could see no way for the general public to edit or add things much like on Wilk. I guess that may be allowed, since this is all public info once its written. I just hope people over there are not claiming credit to articles which are written by the good people on this website.
Opinions? - Husnock 26 Oct 04
I am pleased to announce that every decoration in this article now has a corresponding ribbon picture. Some of the articles have yet to be written, but the ribbon picturte download is compelte. Thanks as well to to anon user who redid the layout template into neater columns. It has made the article look much better. A toast to us all. - Husnock 28 Dec 04
I would like to poll people on what the thought is about adding National Guard decorations to this article. Good idea? OR maybe its own article. Inputs would be welcome. Thank you! - Husnock 28 Dec 04
Set off the fireworks, this a great day. This article now has links to every single active United States miltiary award presently in existence. I hope people enjoy reading them. We will now work on the obsolete, civilian, and unofficial decorations. This article is drawing closer to the day when it will be completed finished. But then, is any article really completely finished? - Husnock 4 Jan 2005
Hello everyone! I'm trying to get nominated for a Barnstar based on work in this article. If anyone wants to put forth thier input, or even award the Barnstar, I would certianly appreciate it! - Husnock 12Feb05
I have just performed a MAJOR revamping, expansion, and article creation project to branch out this article into the civilian decorations of the United States. Eventually, this will hoepfully include every significant award of the federal government, most state awards, and the higher level local decorations to include police decorations. Is this more than I chew? I guess we'll find out. - Husnock 15Feb05
Can "pseudo" be changed in the section relating to Sea Cadets and Civil Air Patrol? I don't think "pseudo-military" is correct terminology. 70.57.139.181 19:07, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ok, based on a few suggestions at several places, I was told that the file names that I choose are cyptic. I agree and now, I will be in the process of renaming and reuploading the various ribbon bar images I have placed on here and on the Wikimedia Commons. If you wish to help me out on this, just let me know. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 15:33, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I recently upgraded my web browser to Netscape 8 and discovered that the ribbons on the page now appear as straight columns and dont line up with the actual name of the award. It looks like tables need to be created, much as in the case with the articles listed under Military badges of the United States. That should be fun. - Husnock 03:01, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Well, with the new medals pictures (which look really cool, by the way), I at last began the grand project to turn this into a disambig page. To avoid having the "inyuse" template up there, I finished the main page and will use the edit and article history to go back adn get the templates for the new articles. - Husnock 05:10, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
My proposial: it is a coordination page for all who wish to work on medal related articles, regardless of nationality. I suggest we get the two of us, Hallibutt and anothers we know to work on this project. What do you think? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 20:02, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
About 15 minutes ago, all pictures on Wikipedia started to strech to fit the thumbnail boxes, distorting over half the images on the website. IS this a thing with my browser? Or do other people see it too. Its very noticable on the Main Page. Hmmmm. - Husnock 4 July 2005 06:38 (UTC)
For those who follow this page, we seem to be experiancing a problem with some new users going into award articles and "updating them" which, in actuality, entails cutting and pasting (word for word) text about the medals from other websites to include the Institute of Heraldry and the Center for Army History. We've already had problems with Southwest Asia Service Medal and Kuwait Liberation Medal being effectively blanked and replaced with copyrighted info from other websites. Also, on Purple Heart a user pasted in a large segment of material word from word from another site.
I feel articles about medals may duplicate ther websites, in so far as the criteria, but never should a medals article simply be a mirror image of another site. We are not creating a backup Institute of Heraldry, but rather writing original articlesd to cinlude medals and awards info from a variety of sources.
I have already copyvio noticed two articles and encourage everyone to be aware of this kind of "shotgunning" where established articles are blanked and replaced with info from other sites - Husnock 00:01, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
User:CORNELIUSSEON was indef blocked from the site for repeated violations of cutting and pasting, word for word from other websites, without proper credit or citations. He also had a bad habit of claiming that he held copyright on articles which he had written or contributed to as well as using Wikipedia for storage space, uploading extremely large files of random data or enourmous lists of military unit information. He was approached to resolve the situation, but became more defiant and departed the website. A very unfortunate situation. - OberRanks ( talk) 11:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
my bad, was in a rush :) Joe I 03:48, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
This article feel into disrepair some time ago, in particular due to a large campaign regarding military award images listed as "stolen" from various sources. I am happy that the new chart has been added and this article really looks neat. The chart in place is an EXCELLENT reference guide. Good for whoever did that! - OberRanks ( talk) 20:43, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I added in the West Indies Campaign Medal to the very neat chart but don't know how to make a .svg file (or whatever its called) for the picture. I also think it might be in order to merge in the Sampson Medal and the Dewey Medal. The more and more I learn about these two medals, the more I see that, especially in the 1930s and early 40's (when these medals were worn by some senior admirals), those two decorations were viewed as official awards of the Navy. A update is probably needed here. - OberRanks ( talk) 16:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
If a military member transfers/reenlists into a different branch of service, do they continue to wear the same version of their awards? Or do they switch to the Current service version? i.e, If a Marine has a NUC, and goes to the army, does he wear the nuc award, or the VUA? If we can find a source for this, it would be nice to include in the article as well. Sephiroth storm ( talk) 03:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I checked the Army regulation. Very concise. Anyway, Thank you. Sephiroth storm ( talk) 02:36, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I thought I would throw this out there that this webpage is very much still active on the Internet. For those who don't know the history behind this, the man who runs that website has actually done a very good job collecting medals and insignia info. Unfortunately, he has caused some big stirs over the years by claiming that HE holds the copyrights to pictures of United States badges, military medals, and badges of rank. This is actually a bit funny since half of the pictures that show up on his webpage are from Randolph AFB or the Institute of Heraldry, and he is posting them on his page as his own creation. Anyway, he just updated his page and has "Copyright 2010" on all of his images. He might show up on Wikipedia claiming this article, and others about medals and badges, are using "his" material without permission. If he does, the best thing is to ignore it. It was taken seriously about two to three years ago and the result was the destruction of several very good medals articles on Wikpedia. Its really a very sad case - the man who runs that site once had a lot of fans in some very high places - his webpage was used once by NPRC as a training guide. Instead of working with others, he actually tried to sue the Military Personnel Records Center for that very reason (thrown out of court, I heard). Anyway, watch out for this - it is still an issue on the web. - OberRanks ( talk) 13:14, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Question: The Silver Star appears to be wrongly placed in the chart on this page. You have placed its order of precedence above medals that are higher than it is, for instance the Army Distinguished Service Medal.
This is from the article about the HSDSM:
The award would be worn after the Medal of Honor, Navy Cross, Distinguished Service Cross and Air Force Cross and before the Defense Distinguished Service Medal and the Department-specific DSM decorations. The award is only authorized to be given to members of the Coast Guard.
Personal Note: For members of the military, it would be worn directly AFTER the DDSM, but the military is not eligible for this award... In any case, the HSDSM comes before ANY department-specific distinguished service medals...
In the article, there are also two links for the above mentioned caption.
Greetings, claudevsq ( talk) 12:44, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Hello, just wanted to respond and clarify several points: 1) By law, the U.S. Coast Guard is a "military service and branch of the armed forces of the United States at all times." See United States Coast Guard. 2) The HSDSM is issued under the President's authority as Commander in Chief, making it a military award. It's in the reference on that page. 3) Each branch has its own order of precedence. For example, in the Navy, Navy awards of the same tier are worn before Army awards. Since the HSDSM is only awarded to Coast Guardsmen, the Coast Guard precedence is listed, and being part of the Department of Homeland Security, a Homeland Security award would come before a DoD award. 4) The Transportation DSM was changed to the Homeland Security DSM when the Coast Guard was transferred from DoT to DHS. Thanks! ~ Pesco So say• we all 04:48, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
I removed the addition of the old Department of Transportation awards since these are already listed at Awards_and_decorations_of_the_United_States_government#Department_of_Transportation. The modern day Coast Guard, to my knowledge, also no longer is awarded these decorations, although those who were previously awarded the decorations may continue to wear them. The DOT awards as of 2012 fall under the category of "civilian decorations authorized for wear on military uniforms", thus they should not be displayed on this article but be maintained on the civilian article. - OberRanks ( talk) 14:32, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
The recent removal of the Lifesaving Medals needs to be discussed. They are still authorized for wear on military uniforms and, historically, have been held by some major military figures such as George Patton. I am not that active on the site anymore, but the blanking of those awards raised enough alarm bells for a comment. - OberRanks ( talk) 23:32, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
It seems to me that this heading needs to modified, eliminated, or something. To the call the Purple Heart an award for non-combat is inaccurate...In the article on it, under "criteria" it states that it is not awarded for non-combative injuries. It is also not awarded specifically for heroism.
Secondly, the Bronze Star Medal. No mention is made that with the "V" for valor device, it is the fourth-highest award for combat heroism. One solution may be to make a "notes" section (similar to a references section) where such things should be...noted. The way it would look is thus.
Bronze Star Medal [N 1]
The 1., 2., 3. etc can be made to appear at the bottom of the article, like and in addition to "References", but it would be titled "Notes".
That's just one idea, but something should be done??-- Nyctc7 ( talk) 01:10, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
It's quite clear to me that the medal which are described as non-combat heroism only include the Soldier's Medal through Coast Guard Medal, due to the lack of lines in that portion of the table. I mean, surely you don't think the table indicates that the Navy & Marine Corps Combat Action Ribbon is an Achievement Medal, do you?-- Vidkun ( talk) 13:17, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
I think this is mislabled
By order of precedence >
Medals for non-combat heroism >
Purple Heart
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_Heart The Purple Heart is not awarded for non-combat injuries.[6] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vgerdj ( talk • contribs) 05:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
I probably could repeat this multiple time on different pages, But I choose to come here. In many cases Biography pages will show what awards the service member earned/qualified for. When this is done in the Wikipedia page, it usually presented in 4 awards across on one row. TO My recommendation for the US Navy and Marine Corp ribbons and awards are worn being 3 across in a row. IN addition within the Navy, ships usually have their awards displayed somewhere- on occasion on exterior of the Bridge wing. For the USS Iowa, a seperate user took and posted a picture of teh ships awards, then posted it (on talk page) and called the awards ribbons on the article wrong. With time, and a close examination, the MAJOR difference was 4 in a row versus 3 in a row. Question #1- anyone reply if the happen to know the Air Force of Army wear awards/ribbons in a row of 4? Has this ever changed over history as to what is the directions? Any place to create a template to properly do 3 ribbons in a row? And think out a simplified edit procedures to update existing pages. Wfoj2 ( talk) 18:01, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
I added in the Four Chaplains' Medal as this is actually still an active decoration and could be awarded again per Congress. I also addressed the concerns about the ribbon image. Its through the IOH by way of a medals database project to NPRC in 2004. Its a trivial non-copyrighted image, but we could go through the whole deal of a permissions e-mail if need be. Hope that clears it up. - OberRanks ( talk) 22:56, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
The language of the authorization reminds me very much of five star rank, i.e. we *could* again have the award, but the real chances of that happening are next to none. So, yes, no need to have it in the active order of precedence. If can agree that there is in fact a ribbon (which I think the above mentioned sources and links establish that there is) then I have an idea about a new section concerning one time only commemorative and special medals. Thanks! - OberRanks ( talk) 14:34, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Besides the "ribbon" for the Chaplains' Medal, we now have images for other ersatz ribbons. It is my position that such ribbon images have no encyclopedic usage because they were never authorized, issued, or even created. –
S. Rich (
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16:53, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Part of the issue here is that the U.S. military has and does create retroactive ribbons for old awards and medals which originally didn't have a ribbon. These are generally used for display cases in museums or commemorative collector sets. As for the current ribbons at hand, all the Naval expedition ribbons (Polar, Antarctic, NC-4) had established ribbons which were worn on uniforms (I've seen photos of the recipients wearing them both in private photos and military history books). The Cardenas Honor Medal I've never personally seen a photo of someone wearing the ribbon, but have read that is was a real ribbon of the Revenue Cutter Service, later displayed on uniforms of the the U.S. Coast Guard after 1915. The last person holding the medal to leave the USCG was around 1923 and, by that point, almost certainly would have displayed it on their ribbon rack. - OberRanks ( talk) 17:42, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure it was the best idea to remove that from the chart. The gold frame ups the ribbon to the status of a combat decoration; people I know and have worked with in the Air Force almost talk about the framed ribbon as if it were a separate decoration from the regular award. Thoughts? - OberRanks ( talk) 18:32, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
I noticed that under Active United States / By order of precedence / Personal decorations / Achievement medals, that the following are listed: Navy and Marine Corps Combat Action Ribbon, Coast Guard Combat Action Ribbon, and Air Force Combat Action Medal, but not the Army's Combat Infantryman Badge. Why is that? I'm not questioning the article's accuracy--it's a very helpful article, I've used it in my work several times. I simply want to understand--and perhaps it might be helpful to add an explanatory footnote for others who read the article and have the same question. (Just a suggestion - I defer to those of you who know a lot more about this topic than do I!). Many thanks - Mark D Worthen PsyD 04:34, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
The other day I saw an old AN/SPS-65 radar with medal ribbons on it. Is this standard practise? I'm not familiar enough with the ribbons to pick what they were for. If this is standard practise, and there are specific conditions where this occurs, it may well be worth adding a section to this article on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.131.88 ( talk) 11:29, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
The order of precedence states that the Purple Heart precedes the Air Medal in precedence - yet the official portrait of James Stockdale [1] shows him wearing the Air Medal before the Purple Heart. I doubt he would have gotten the precedence wrong for an official portrait. Marcerickson ( talk) 03:05, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! Marcerickson ( talk) 12:18, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Per this Air Force document [8], the Air Force MTI and Recruiter ribbons are no longer awarded. Eligible personnel are now awarded the Air Force Special Duty Ribbon. I added the Special Duty Ribbon, but did not know whether to move the recently discontinued ribbons off the main section or not. Many personnel on duty, including active, guard, and reserve, are likely still wearing the discontinued ribbons. Thoughts? EricSerge ( talk) 22:08, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
In cases of equivalent awards (ie such as the various achievement awards to pick one example), I know that the joint or cabinet department level awards come first, but then is it one's own branch award followed by the other branch's equivalent awards in order of creation of said award OR is it simply all of them in order of creation of said award (again, execpt for the effectively half-step higher "joint" versions)? I had thought it was the former, but I can't actually find any documentation and in the past I had found some early Air Force personell (people who had carried over Army awards) pic's (which of course I now can't refind at the moment) where it seemed to be the later. Or perhaps does this vary by branch? Gecko G ( talk) 13:40, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
"When Marines are entitled to similar awards from two or more services; ... After the Marine Corps award, similar award of other service will be worn in the following precedence: Navy, Army, Air Force, and Coast Guard"
I know that in the Army unit awards become's effectively accoutrements to the unit's uniform, thus the whole Permanent vs. Temporary wear regulations. My question is- That is an Army-only issue correct? Am I correct that none of the other branch's do that? If I can work in the answer to this and the above question into the article, I think the article will then meet MilHist's B2 criteria and thus be promotable to C-Class. Gecko G ( talk) 14:10, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
...are authorized temporary wear of some unit awards(emphasis added). Table 22-1 specifies which are the some though I also had to find another source for the authorization of Temporary wear of the Korean PUC (namely AR600-8-22, section 9-4-e-2).
Only those members of the U.S. Armed Forces who were present at the time and directly participated in the service or achievement ... shall be authorized to wear the JMUA ribbon.also confirmed by table 22-1 in Army PAM 670-1
... and worn only by members of that unit who participated in the cited action.So that would seem to specifically preclude any Temporary wear of anything by Marines (with the above discussed exception of the Fourragere which is considered part of the uniform, not an award)
...who were actually present and participated in the action(s) for which the unit was cited, are authorized to wear the ribbon permanently."(again, emphasis added) It specifically talks about permanently wearing it but there doesn't appear to be anything in contradistinction (ie temporary wear) so why mention permanently?. I haven't found any mention of temporary wear, but all the foreign unit award requirements specify "during the event" or similar such terminology, but other than the E ribbon, none of the Navy unit awards has such.
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I would like to remove the various award device examples of the same marksmanship ribbons for it's no different than having to add a separate image for every award with a "V" device, which does not seem appropriate. Some of the marksmanship devices do indicate a very different award, such as the Coast Guard Silver Rifle Excellence-in-Competition Award, but others, like the Navy Pistol Marksmanship Ribbon with Sharpshooter Device, is just the same award but with a device indicating that the sailor achieved a high core. The argument you see on this talk page from the former OberRanks is just nonsensical and circular to me. What say you? -- McChizzle ( talk) 13:08, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
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To all who may read this, I am very proud to announce that this page is now "open for business". I have linked every medal that has an associated article. Please feel free to add new articles for those awards which are not yet described. - User:Husnock 23 June 2004
Yeah, thats a pretty good idea. I used to be agaist that, since I saw the red articles as "broken links". But, they do light up in every connected article once an article is written. I will probably not do that for every single decoration on the page. Just the ones that I know I will be working on the near future. Dont let that stop other people, though. Link away, I say - User:Husnock
To the loyal followers of this page, I tried to get it as a featured article, but that got shot down pretty quickly. How vain am I, but I find it a little amazing that anyone could say negative things about this article! Oh well. :-) - User:Husnock 7 Jul 2004
I was just being vain. You are absolutely right, it IS a list article. One of the associated medals articles might be worthy, but this one is not. I took it off the candidate list as fast as I had put it on. Best- User:Husnock 8 Jul 2004
To the followers of this article, a large number of medal articles have been written and linked to this page. The section on Vietnam War medals will most likely be finished by next week. Thanks for everyone's support! user:Husnock 12 Jul 2004
I'm proud to annouce the opening of the Good Conduct Medal article. That one took quite a bit of research to write. The Reserve Good Conduct Medal article will be coming shortly. User:Husnock 24 Jul 04
I am researching some new medals for articles and am having a very hard time finding photos of the following medals.
Looking for pictures of the full sized medals, not just the ribbon. If anyone has photos or pictures of those medals, please start an article and post them to the article! - User:Husnock 3 Sep 04
I'm pleased to announce the completion of the "Devices" section in which all attachments and devices to U.S. military awards are now catalouged. Enjoy! - User:Husnock 5 Sep 04
For the followers of this page, check out my User profile to see what this mad scientist looks like...picture posted today on occasion of my 29th birthday! Husnock 12 Sep 2004
Today marks a great milestone in this article. Every modern medal of the United States military is now indexed with an article. Ribbons, obsolete medals, civilian decorations, and foreign medals remain.
To add to the greatness of this article, I have begun adding ribbon pics of all the awards. This will expand the article from a simple list to a bonified index. Enjoy! Husnock 2 Oct 2004
I just finished a major picture upload, article rewrite, and revamp of the Second World War foreign medals section. I took out some of the rarer medals which weren't bestwoed that often. Among them the Order of the White Lion of Czechoslovakia and the senior medals of the Philippine Islands. If anyone notices a common World War II medal, which was awarded to U.S. troops and was omitted, please let me know. Enjoy the update! - Husnock 20 Oct 2004
I dont know if there are any administrators out there watching this page, but this may be oif interest. I discovered this entire article, indeed half of Wilkipedia, has been copied over to the following webpage.
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/
The articles are carbon copies of the ones poste don this site, complete with links. It also is NOT a free website, in that I could see no way for the general public to edit or add things much like on Wilk. I guess that may be allowed, since this is all public info once its written. I just hope people over there are not claiming credit to articles which are written by the good people on this website.
Opinions? - Husnock 26 Oct 04
I am pleased to announce that every decoration in this article now has a corresponding ribbon picture. Some of the articles have yet to be written, but the ribbon picturte download is compelte. Thanks as well to to anon user who redid the layout template into neater columns. It has made the article look much better. A toast to us all. - Husnock 28 Dec 04
I would like to poll people on what the thought is about adding National Guard decorations to this article. Good idea? OR maybe its own article. Inputs would be welcome. Thank you! - Husnock 28 Dec 04
Set off the fireworks, this a great day. This article now has links to every single active United States miltiary award presently in existence. I hope people enjoy reading them. We will now work on the obsolete, civilian, and unofficial decorations. This article is drawing closer to the day when it will be completed finished. But then, is any article really completely finished? - Husnock 4 Jan 2005
Hello everyone! I'm trying to get nominated for a Barnstar based on work in this article. If anyone wants to put forth thier input, or even award the Barnstar, I would certianly appreciate it! - Husnock 12Feb05
I have just performed a MAJOR revamping, expansion, and article creation project to branch out this article into the civilian decorations of the United States. Eventually, this will hoepfully include every significant award of the federal government, most state awards, and the higher level local decorations to include police decorations. Is this more than I chew? I guess we'll find out. - Husnock 15Feb05
Can "pseudo" be changed in the section relating to Sea Cadets and Civil Air Patrol? I don't think "pseudo-military" is correct terminology. 70.57.139.181 19:07, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ok, based on a few suggestions at several places, I was told that the file names that I choose are cyptic. I agree and now, I will be in the process of renaming and reuploading the various ribbon bar images I have placed on here and on the Wikimedia Commons. If you wish to help me out on this, just let me know. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 15:33, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I recently upgraded my web browser to Netscape 8 and discovered that the ribbons on the page now appear as straight columns and dont line up with the actual name of the award. It looks like tables need to be created, much as in the case with the articles listed under Military badges of the United States. That should be fun. - Husnock 03:01, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Well, with the new medals pictures (which look really cool, by the way), I at last began the grand project to turn this into a disambig page. To avoid having the "inyuse" template up there, I finished the main page and will use the edit and article history to go back adn get the templates for the new articles. - Husnock 05:10, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
My proposial: it is a coordination page for all who wish to work on medal related articles, regardless of nationality. I suggest we get the two of us, Hallibutt and anothers we know to work on this project. What do you think? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 20:02, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
About 15 minutes ago, all pictures on Wikipedia started to strech to fit the thumbnail boxes, distorting over half the images on the website. IS this a thing with my browser? Or do other people see it too. Its very noticable on the Main Page. Hmmmm. - Husnock 4 July 2005 06:38 (UTC)
For those who follow this page, we seem to be experiancing a problem with some new users going into award articles and "updating them" which, in actuality, entails cutting and pasting (word for word) text about the medals from other websites to include the Institute of Heraldry and the Center for Army History. We've already had problems with Southwest Asia Service Medal and Kuwait Liberation Medal being effectively blanked and replaced with copyrighted info from other websites. Also, on Purple Heart a user pasted in a large segment of material word from word from another site.
I feel articles about medals may duplicate ther websites, in so far as the criteria, but never should a medals article simply be a mirror image of another site. We are not creating a backup Institute of Heraldry, but rather writing original articlesd to cinlude medals and awards info from a variety of sources.
I have already copyvio noticed two articles and encourage everyone to be aware of this kind of "shotgunning" where established articles are blanked and replaced with info from other sites - Husnock 00:01, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
User:CORNELIUSSEON was indef blocked from the site for repeated violations of cutting and pasting, word for word from other websites, without proper credit or citations. He also had a bad habit of claiming that he held copyright on articles which he had written or contributed to as well as using Wikipedia for storage space, uploading extremely large files of random data or enourmous lists of military unit information. He was approached to resolve the situation, but became more defiant and departed the website. A very unfortunate situation. - OberRanks ( talk) 11:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
my bad, was in a rush :) Joe I 03:48, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
This article feel into disrepair some time ago, in particular due to a large campaign regarding military award images listed as "stolen" from various sources. I am happy that the new chart has been added and this article really looks neat. The chart in place is an EXCELLENT reference guide. Good for whoever did that! - OberRanks ( talk) 20:43, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I added in the West Indies Campaign Medal to the very neat chart but don't know how to make a .svg file (or whatever its called) for the picture. I also think it might be in order to merge in the Sampson Medal and the Dewey Medal. The more and more I learn about these two medals, the more I see that, especially in the 1930s and early 40's (when these medals were worn by some senior admirals), those two decorations were viewed as official awards of the Navy. A update is probably needed here. - OberRanks ( talk) 16:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
If a military member transfers/reenlists into a different branch of service, do they continue to wear the same version of their awards? Or do they switch to the Current service version? i.e, If a Marine has a NUC, and goes to the army, does he wear the nuc award, or the VUA? If we can find a source for this, it would be nice to include in the article as well. Sephiroth storm ( talk) 03:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I checked the Army regulation. Very concise. Anyway, Thank you. Sephiroth storm ( talk) 02:36, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I thought I would throw this out there that this webpage is very much still active on the Internet. For those who don't know the history behind this, the man who runs that website has actually done a very good job collecting medals and insignia info. Unfortunately, he has caused some big stirs over the years by claiming that HE holds the copyrights to pictures of United States badges, military medals, and badges of rank. This is actually a bit funny since half of the pictures that show up on his webpage are from Randolph AFB or the Institute of Heraldry, and he is posting them on his page as his own creation. Anyway, he just updated his page and has "Copyright 2010" on all of his images. He might show up on Wikipedia claiming this article, and others about medals and badges, are using "his" material without permission. If he does, the best thing is to ignore it. It was taken seriously about two to three years ago and the result was the destruction of several very good medals articles on Wikpedia. Its really a very sad case - the man who runs that site once had a lot of fans in some very high places - his webpage was used once by NPRC as a training guide. Instead of working with others, he actually tried to sue the Military Personnel Records Center for that very reason (thrown out of court, I heard). Anyway, watch out for this - it is still an issue on the web. - OberRanks ( talk) 13:14, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Question: The Silver Star appears to be wrongly placed in the chart on this page. You have placed its order of precedence above medals that are higher than it is, for instance the Army Distinguished Service Medal.
This is from the article about the HSDSM:
The award would be worn after the Medal of Honor, Navy Cross, Distinguished Service Cross and Air Force Cross and before the Defense Distinguished Service Medal and the Department-specific DSM decorations. The award is only authorized to be given to members of the Coast Guard.
Personal Note: For members of the military, it would be worn directly AFTER the DDSM, but the military is not eligible for this award... In any case, the HSDSM comes before ANY department-specific distinguished service medals...
In the article, there are also two links for the above mentioned caption.
Greetings, claudevsq ( talk) 12:44, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Hello, just wanted to respond and clarify several points: 1) By law, the U.S. Coast Guard is a "military service and branch of the armed forces of the United States at all times." See United States Coast Guard. 2) The HSDSM is issued under the President's authority as Commander in Chief, making it a military award. It's in the reference on that page. 3) Each branch has its own order of precedence. For example, in the Navy, Navy awards of the same tier are worn before Army awards. Since the HSDSM is only awarded to Coast Guardsmen, the Coast Guard precedence is listed, and being part of the Department of Homeland Security, a Homeland Security award would come before a DoD award. 4) The Transportation DSM was changed to the Homeland Security DSM when the Coast Guard was transferred from DoT to DHS. Thanks! ~ Pesco So say• we all 04:48, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
I removed the addition of the old Department of Transportation awards since these are already listed at Awards_and_decorations_of_the_United_States_government#Department_of_Transportation. The modern day Coast Guard, to my knowledge, also no longer is awarded these decorations, although those who were previously awarded the decorations may continue to wear them. The DOT awards as of 2012 fall under the category of "civilian decorations authorized for wear on military uniforms", thus they should not be displayed on this article but be maintained on the civilian article. - OberRanks ( talk) 14:32, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
The recent removal of the Lifesaving Medals needs to be discussed. They are still authorized for wear on military uniforms and, historically, have been held by some major military figures such as George Patton. I am not that active on the site anymore, but the blanking of those awards raised enough alarm bells for a comment. - OberRanks ( talk) 23:32, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
It seems to me that this heading needs to modified, eliminated, or something. To the call the Purple Heart an award for non-combat is inaccurate...In the article on it, under "criteria" it states that it is not awarded for non-combative injuries. It is also not awarded specifically for heroism.
Secondly, the Bronze Star Medal. No mention is made that with the "V" for valor device, it is the fourth-highest award for combat heroism. One solution may be to make a "notes" section (similar to a references section) where such things should be...noted. The way it would look is thus.
Bronze Star Medal [N 1]
The 1., 2., 3. etc can be made to appear at the bottom of the article, like and in addition to "References", but it would be titled "Notes".
That's just one idea, but something should be done??-- Nyctc7 ( talk) 01:10, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
It's quite clear to me that the medal which are described as non-combat heroism only include the Soldier's Medal through Coast Guard Medal, due to the lack of lines in that portion of the table. I mean, surely you don't think the table indicates that the Navy & Marine Corps Combat Action Ribbon is an Achievement Medal, do you?-- Vidkun ( talk) 13:17, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
I think this is mislabled
By order of precedence >
Medals for non-combat heroism >
Purple Heart
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_Heart The Purple Heart is not awarded for non-combat injuries.[6] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vgerdj ( talk • contribs) 05:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
I probably could repeat this multiple time on different pages, But I choose to come here. In many cases Biography pages will show what awards the service member earned/qualified for. When this is done in the Wikipedia page, it usually presented in 4 awards across on one row. TO My recommendation for the US Navy and Marine Corp ribbons and awards are worn being 3 across in a row. IN addition within the Navy, ships usually have their awards displayed somewhere- on occasion on exterior of the Bridge wing. For the USS Iowa, a seperate user took and posted a picture of teh ships awards, then posted it (on talk page) and called the awards ribbons on the article wrong. With time, and a close examination, the MAJOR difference was 4 in a row versus 3 in a row. Question #1- anyone reply if the happen to know the Air Force of Army wear awards/ribbons in a row of 4? Has this ever changed over history as to what is the directions? Any place to create a template to properly do 3 ribbons in a row? And think out a simplified edit procedures to update existing pages. Wfoj2 ( talk) 18:01, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
I added in the Four Chaplains' Medal as this is actually still an active decoration and could be awarded again per Congress. I also addressed the concerns about the ribbon image. Its through the IOH by way of a medals database project to NPRC in 2004. Its a trivial non-copyrighted image, but we could go through the whole deal of a permissions e-mail if need be. Hope that clears it up. - OberRanks ( talk) 22:56, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
The language of the authorization reminds me very much of five star rank, i.e. we *could* again have the award, but the real chances of that happening are next to none. So, yes, no need to have it in the active order of precedence. If can agree that there is in fact a ribbon (which I think the above mentioned sources and links establish that there is) then I have an idea about a new section concerning one time only commemorative and special medals. Thanks! - OberRanks ( talk) 14:34, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Besides the "ribbon" for the Chaplains' Medal, we now have images for other ersatz ribbons. It is my position that such ribbon images have no encyclopedic usage because they were never authorized, issued, or even created. –
S. Rich (
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16:53, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Part of the issue here is that the U.S. military has and does create retroactive ribbons for old awards and medals which originally didn't have a ribbon. These are generally used for display cases in museums or commemorative collector sets. As for the current ribbons at hand, all the Naval expedition ribbons (Polar, Antarctic, NC-4) had established ribbons which were worn on uniforms (I've seen photos of the recipients wearing them both in private photos and military history books). The Cardenas Honor Medal I've never personally seen a photo of someone wearing the ribbon, but have read that is was a real ribbon of the Revenue Cutter Service, later displayed on uniforms of the the U.S. Coast Guard after 1915. The last person holding the medal to leave the USCG was around 1923 and, by that point, almost certainly would have displayed it on their ribbon rack. - OberRanks ( talk) 17:42, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure it was the best idea to remove that from the chart. The gold frame ups the ribbon to the status of a combat decoration; people I know and have worked with in the Air Force almost talk about the framed ribbon as if it were a separate decoration from the regular award. Thoughts? - OberRanks ( talk) 18:32, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
I noticed that under Active United States / By order of precedence / Personal decorations / Achievement medals, that the following are listed: Navy and Marine Corps Combat Action Ribbon, Coast Guard Combat Action Ribbon, and Air Force Combat Action Medal, but not the Army's Combat Infantryman Badge. Why is that? I'm not questioning the article's accuracy--it's a very helpful article, I've used it in my work several times. I simply want to understand--and perhaps it might be helpful to add an explanatory footnote for others who read the article and have the same question. (Just a suggestion - I defer to those of you who know a lot more about this topic than do I!). Many thanks - Mark D Worthen PsyD 04:34, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
The other day I saw an old AN/SPS-65 radar with medal ribbons on it. Is this standard practise? I'm not familiar enough with the ribbons to pick what they were for. If this is standard practise, and there are specific conditions where this occurs, it may well be worth adding a section to this article on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.131.88 ( talk) 11:29, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
The order of precedence states that the Purple Heart precedes the Air Medal in precedence - yet the official portrait of James Stockdale [1] shows him wearing the Air Medal before the Purple Heart. I doubt he would have gotten the precedence wrong for an official portrait. Marcerickson ( talk) 03:05, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! Marcerickson ( talk) 12:18, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Per this Air Force document [8], the Air Force MTI and Recruiter ribbons are no longer awarded. Eligible personnel are now awarded the Air Force Special Duty Ribbon. I added the Special Duty Ribbon, but did not know whether to move the recently discontinued ribbons off the main section or not. Many personnel on duty, including active, guard, and reserve, are likely still wearing the discontinued ribbons. Thoughts? EricSerge ( talk) 22:08, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
In cases of equivalent awards (ie such as the various achievement awards to pick one example), I know that the joint or cabinet department level awards come first, but then is it one's own branch award followed by the other branch's equivalent awards in order of creation of said award OR is it simply all of them in order of creation of said award (again, execpt for the effectively half-step higher "joint" versions)? I had thought it was the former, but I can't actually find any documentation and in the past I had found some early Air Force personell (people who had carried over Army awards) pic's (which of course I now can't refind at the moment) where it seemed to be the later. Or perhaps does this vary by branch? Gecko G ( talk) 13:40, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
"When Marines are entitled to similar awards from two or more services; ... After the Marine Corps award, similar award of other service will be worn in the following precedence: Navy, Army, Air Force, and Coast Guard"
I know that in the Army unit awards become's effectively accoutrements to the unit's uniform, thus the whole Permanent vs. Temporary wear regulations. My question is- That is an Army-only issue correct? Am I correct that none of the other branch's do that? If I can work in the answer to this and the above question into the article, I think the article will then meet MilHist's B2 criteria and thus be promotable to C-Class. Gecko G ( talk) 14:10, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
...are authorized temporary wear of some unit awards(emphasis added). Table 22-1 specifies which are the some though I also had to find another source for the authorization of Temporary wear of the Korean PUC (namely AR600-8-22, section 9-4-e-2).
Only those members of the U.S. Armed Forces who were present at the time and directly participated in the service or achievement ... shall be authorized to wear the JMUA ribbon.also confirmed by table 22-1 in Army PAM 670-1
... and worn only by members of that unit who participated in the cited action.So that would seem to specifically preclude any Temporary wear of anything by Marines (with the above discussed exception of the Fourragere which is considered part of the uniform, not an award)
...who were actually present and participated in the action(s) for which the unit was cited, are authorized to wear the ribbon permanently."(again, emphasis added) It specifically talks about permanently wearing it but there doesn't appear to be anything in contradistinction (ie temporary wear) so why mention permanently?. I haven't found any mention of temporary wear, but all the foreign unit award requirements specify "during the event" or similar such terminology, but other than the E ribbon, none of the Navy unit awards has such.
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I would like to remove the various award device examples of the same marksmanship ribbons for it's no different than having to add a separate image for every award with a "V" device, which does not seem appropriate. Some of the marksmanship devices do indicate a very different award, such as the Coast Guard Silver Rifle Excellence-in-Competition Award, but others, like the Navy Pistol Marksmanship Ribbon with Sharpshooter Device, is just the same award but with a device indicating that the sailor achieved a high core. The argument you see on this talk page from the former OberRanks is just nonsensical and circular to me. What say you? -- McChizzle ( talk) 13:08, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
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