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As with The Watchtower, the list of languages that has been added to this article seems to be little more than trivia. Other than promoting the magazine in obscure languages, there seems to be little point in the extended list. It would seem sufficient to indicate the number of languages in which the magazine is published, which on its own makes it clear that it is available in all common languages. If the list is retained, the links for most (if not all) of the languages require modification to avoid redirects and disambiguation pages.-- Jeffro77 ( talk) 12:53, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
as a disclaimer, i am an ex-JW generally hostile to apologist active-JW edits. that said, this paragraph is mean-spirited, pseudoskeptic-POV, and irrelevant. if anybody wishes to defend it, ive pasted it here:
PopeFauveXXIII ( talk) 06:45, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
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I removed the image of a Greek cover of Consolation that was added by User:Pvasiliadis. The image in question would be more suitable in the corresponding article on the Greek Wikipedia (and the same image has already been added there). For the English article, if an image of one of the magazine's predecessors were to be included, it would be better to provide an English cover. An image of a non-English version of the older titles might be suitable if there were significantly more content about the translation of the older magazines into other languages. But such an expansion would only be warranted if there are suitable secondary sources. If it is desirable to provide an image indicating that the magazine is available in languages other than English, it would be better to show a non-English cover of Awake! rather than Consolation (or The Golden Age). However, because it is available in all major languages (and many others), it seems trivial to include an image of the magazine in just one non-English language and excessive to show it in many.-- Jeffro77 ( talk) 08:33, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
User:Amargor added detail about The Golden Age being published 'in violation of Russell's will'. It is not clear whether Penton specifically says this about Consolation or just about publishing new works in general. If the latter, this may be synthesis. It would help if a quote from the source could be provided here. If Penton does not specifically mention The Golden Age, it does not belong here, but the source would be suitable at articles such as Watch Tower Society presidency dispute (1917).
The same user also added critical comments about the content of The Golden Age. These appear to be suitably sourced, but such comments about old editions should remain brief. It would not be appropriate to turn the section into an exposé piece by providing every silly thing that ever appeared in the magazine.-- Jeffro77 ( talk) 21:47, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Books and magazines of the Watchtower Bible Society has been considered in wikipedia as primary sources concerning the jehovah's witnesses issue and to be avoided as much as possible. This article is full of this kind of references.-- Amargor ( talk) 08:16, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Some new detail has been provided, but the order isn't great and can't really be improved without additional information. It would benefit from better structure and a bit more background around why it was originally commissioned, with that information along with details about the selection of the editor given first.-- Jeffro77 ( talk) 10:24, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
"Systematic door to door ministry, with pairs of Witness fanning out over neigboorhoods or regions, was a key innovation of the Rutherford era. The Golden-Age was launched in 1919.(...) The broad range of topics was designed to appeal to a general readership, one beyond the existing membership. The Golden-Age was the key publication used during this ministry." So, have i misunderstand what Knoxx has said ? Is this information interesting ? Please, don't delete abruptly what i hav written when it is sourced by acadamics writer, ask reference, if you think that i misunderstand it. Concerning the reasons of the edition of this new magazine, you could see the goals of Golden-Age directly in the first number of this magazine, and it is clearly link with the new activity of predication. here-- Amargor ( talk) 12:24, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
I have removed this text, it seems very anecdotical for me: (In 1930 it was published in Danish under the name New World. [1]).-- Amargor ( talk) 17:39, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
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I could be agree to separate the medical approch of the Awake magazine in a separate section, but before that i want to note two points. First, we must aggregate the new and the old medical approch if the Awake magazine. Second this part could become very important as we can talk about a lot medical's cures that Woodworth and Rutherford have promoted in the column of the CGolden-Age/COnsolation magazines, is it really what you want ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amargor ( talk • contribs) 21:11, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
I agree with Jeffro. There is no point in having a "medical views" section from a decidedly non-medical magazine. This sentence that is currently in the contents section is more than enough:
"It has also presented medical opinions of various medical conditions. Conditions that have been featured in Awake! include dementia, stroke, infectious diseases, bipolar disorder, and postpartum depression."
Vyselink ( talk) 19:15, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
If i understand the idea in the deletion of this subtitle, the mention that the authors are anonymous since 1946 has disappeared too, and this a singular aspect of the Awake compared to a lot of religious magazine.-- Amargor ( talk) 14:58, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Was Awake! discontinued in 2020? If so it would be a good idea to update the article, — Paleo Neonate – 21:34, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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As with The Watchtower, the list of languages that has been added to this article seems to be little more than trivia. Other than promoting the magazine in obscure languages, there seems to be little point in the extended list. It would seem sufficient to indicate the number of languages in which the magazine is published, which on its own makes it clear that it is available in all common languages. If the list is retained, the links for most (if not all) of the languages require modification to avoid redirects and disambiguation pages.-- Jeffro77 ( talk) 12:53, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
as a disclaimer, i am an ex-JW generally hostile to apologist active-JW edits. that said, this paragraph is mean-spirited, pseudoskeptic-POV, and irrelevant. if anybody wishes to defend it, ive pasted it here:
PopeFauveXXIII ( talk) 06:45, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
References
I removed the image of a Greek cover of Consolation that was added by User:Pvasiliadis. The image in question would be more suitable in the corresponding article on the Greek Wikipedia (and the same image has already been added there). For the English article, if an image of one of the magazine's predecessors were to be included, it would be better to provide an English cover. An image of a non-English version of the older titles might be suitable if there were significantly more content about the translation of the older magazines into other languages. But such an expansion would only be warranted if there are suitable secondary sources. If it is desirable to provide an image indicating that the magazine is available in languages other than English, it would be better to show a non-English cover of Awake! rather than Consolation (or The Golden Age). However, because it is available in all major languages (and many others), it seems trivial to include an image of the magazine in just one non-English language and excessive to show it in many.-- Jeffro77 ( talk) 08:33, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
User:Amargor added detail about The Golden Age being published 'in violation of Russell's will'. It is not clear whether Penton specifically says this about Consolation or just about publishing new works in general. If the latter, this may be synthesis. It would help if a quote from the source could be provided here. If Penton does not specifically mention The Golden Age, it does not belong here, but the source would be suitable at articles such as Watch Tower Society presidency dispute (1917).
The same user also added critical comments about the content of The Golden Age. These appear to be suitably sourced, but such comments about old editions should remain brief. It would not be appropriate to turn the section into an exposé piece by providing every silly thing that ever appeared in the magazine.-- Jeffro77 ( talk) 21:47, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Books and magazines of the Watchtower Bible Society has been considered in wikipedia as primary sources concerning the jehovah's witnesses issue and to be avoided as much as possible. This article is full of this kind of references.-- Amargor ( talk) 08:16, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Some new detail has been provided, but the order isn't great and can't really be improved without additional information. It would benefit from better structure and a bit more background around why it was originally commissioned, with that information along with details about the selection of the editor given first.-- Jeffro77 ( talk) 10:24, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
"Systematic door to door ministry, with pairs of Witness fanning out over neigboorhoods or regions, was a key innovation of the Rutherford era. The Golden-Age was launched in 1919.(...) The broad range of topics was designed to appeal to a general readership, one beyond the existing membership. The Golden-Age was the key publication used during this ministry." So, have i misunderstand what Knoxx has said ? Is this information interesting ? Please, don't delete abruptly what i hav written when it is sourced by acadamics writer, ask reference, if you think that i misunderstand it. Concerning the reasons of the edition of this new magazine, you could see the goals of Golden-Age directly in the first number of this magazine, and it is clearly link with the new activity of predication. here-- Amargor ( talk) 12:24, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
I have removed this text, it seems very anecdotical for me: (In 1930 it was published in Danish under the name New World. [1]).-- Amargor ( talk) 17:39, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
References
I could be agree to separate the medical approch of the Awake magazine in a separate section, but before that i want to note two points. First, we must aggregate the new and the old medical approch if the Awake magazine. Second this part could become very important as we can talk about a lot medical's cures that Woodworth and Rutherford have promoted in the column of the CGolden-Age/COnsolation magazines, is it really what you want ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amargor ( talk • contribs) 21:11, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
I agree with Jeffro. There is no point in having a "medical views" section from a decidedly non-medical magazine. This sentence that is currently in the contents section is more than enough:
"It has also presented medical opinions of various medical conditions. Conditions that have been featured in Awake! include dementia, stroke, infectious diseases, bipolar disorder, and postpartum depression."
Vyselink ( talk) 19:15, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
If i understand the idea in the deletion of this subtitle, the mention that the authors are anonymous since 1946 has disappeared too, and this a singular aspect of the Awake compared to a lot of religious magazine.-- Amargor ( talk) 14:58, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Was Awake! discontinued in 2020? If so it would be a good idea to update the article, — Paleo Neonate – 21:34, 8 May 2021 (UTC)