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Maury, you have done a splendid job in adding details to the article. It may be a bit much for the layman but you have essentially identified the problems in trying to make a frisbee fly, which is the problem that absorbed and drove the creative mind of John C.M. Frost. I will add some further details especially about the "black" funding provided by the C.I.A. and the bizarre "Project Ladybird" connections to the story. A lot of what came about was due to the genius of John C.M. Frost and you might want to look at the article posted on Wikipedia related to his flying saucers and other creations. I intend to nominate John Frost for inclusion in the Cnadian Aviation Hall of Fame. Care to second the nomination? Bzuk Wednesday 10:02 27 December 2006 (UTC).See my comments on your discussion page.
So in the end, what do you think of the result? I think it's actually pretty good overall, but as always, I have that feeling in the pit of my stomach that something vital might be missing. Do you think we've nailed it? Maury 00:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
A very interesting and informative article, but two inline citations is not nearly enough for an article of this length and technical detail. Also, while it is well-written on the whole, there are a few instances of informal phrasing that make it seem not quite encyclopedic ("technical fortress," for instance) and a few places where it needs copyediting. This sentence, for instance, has a couple of problems as well as an external jump that should be converted to a footnote: "In 1955, an extensive article appeared in Look Magazine was published, that, among other claims, speculated that current UFO sitings were Soviet-built saucers, which looking remarkably similar to Frost's all-disk aircraft."
With citations and a good copyediting, the article should make GA with no trouble. Please do resubmit it when you've made the changes. MLilburne 10:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I'm reviewing the article for WP:GAC - it's improved immensely since last time around. I found (and fixed) one spelling mistake - but that was about the extent of my problems! One change I'd like to see (although it's not going to stop me from passing it) would be to switch over the references from a simple <ref> xxxx </ref> to using the more recent <ref>{{ cite book | xxxx }}</ref> so that references can follow a standard format with author names, etc. That's not a requirement for GA status though. (See: Template:Cite/doc for details on how to use the various citation templates.
Good work! I look forward to seeing this nominated for WP:FAC.
SteveBaker ( talk) 16:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was no consensus. — harej ( talk) 08:05, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
VZ-9 AV Avrocar →
Avro Canada VZ-9 AV Avrocar — Typically aircraft are recognized by the manufacturer's name and common name. In this case, Avro Canada is important to the title s it designated the company while the VZ-9 AV designation is the way the project was "buried" while "Avrocar" was also in common use. In order to give the article its true designation, it is better written as "Avro Canada VZ-9 AV Avrocar". FWiW
Bzuk (
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19:35, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Just saying, "project Y" sure looks a lot like Vought_V-173. Not sure about the size, and the canopy looks very different, but its around the same time... 207.159.180.63 ( talk) 16:46, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Sometimes, I can't help but wonder if the people who contribute to Wikipedia ever read their sources. Case in point:
Would somebody care to show me where, in the cited article, there is evidence of it being a 'leak', like the Toronto Star release? Or where it says that UFO were Soviet-built saucers? Or in what way the illustrations which accompany the article were 'clearly influenced by the Avro design'? I've just read the article, and my impression is that it was clearly identified as a speculative piece, which was inspired by the numerous rumours about Project Y which appeared in the North American press after February 1953. Moreover, the illustrations are just as clearly identified as a 'design study'; produced by an aeronautical engineer who was employed by Republic Aviation, Look made no bones about the fact that 'the design could be arrived at independently and is only one of several possible approaches to the construction of a saucer craft.'
It's this kind of sloppiness which has people laughing at Wikipedia. So, if nobody has any objections, I'd like to remove the spurious remarks. Oboroten ( talk) 09:11, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
http://blogs.archives.gov/ndc/?p=426
List this inline or at the end? Hcobb ( talk) 02:05, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Regardless of whether this was intentionally designed as a ground-effect vehicle or not, shouldn't this get linked to Ground effect vehicle? Kortoso ( talk) 18:08, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Avro Canada VZ-9 Avrocar/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Great article! I had to assess it a B until it has passed through all steps of the GA-A-FA process. I assigned it as being of "mid" importance. It is an interesting concept, but there were no follow-up and they had not so much significance in avaiation history. |
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The US National Archives has posted three long AvroCar videos on Youtube. These are AVRO film reports on the project.
These are very upbeat films, even though the thing flew very badly. The films show the progress from badly unstable to stable hover. It's amusing seeing it bump around the fields of what's now NASA Ames as a hovercraft. But it never got out of ground effect; max altitude was about 1 meter. John Nagle ( talk) 19:05, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
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Much of this article is not inline referenced - and wasn't at the time it was listed as a GA. Standards may have changed since 2008, but it's clear this doesn't meet the GA crtierion as it stands now. I'm going to launch a barrage of CN templates noting what needs to be inline-cited; I may or may not come back to do some of it myself later when I have time, but regardless I'll let it be worked on for awhile before considering GAR. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:45, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Missing a lot of inline citations. I count 17 citation needed tags. Can anything be done here, User:Maury Markowitz? Schierbecker ( talk) 20:57, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
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![]() | Text and/or other creative content from this version of Avro Canada TS-140 was merged into Avro Canada VZ-9 Avrocar with this edit on 21:37, 29 December 2020. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
Maury, you have done a splendid job in adding details to the article. It may be a bit much for the layman but you have essentially identified the problems in trying to make a frisbee fly, which is the problem that absorbed and drove the creative mind of John C.M. Frost. I will add some further details especially about the "black" funding provided by the C.I.A. and the bizarre "Project Ladybird" connections to the story. A lot of what came about was due to the genius of John C.M. Frost and you might want to look at the article posted on Wikipedia related to his flying saucers and other creations. I intend to nominate John Frost for inclusion in the Cnadian Aviation Hall of Fame. Care to second the nomination? Bzuk Wednesday 10:02 27 December 2006 (UTC).See my comments on your discussion page.
So in the end, what do you think of the result? I think it's actually pretty good overall, but as always, I have that feeling in the pit of my stomach that something vital might be missing. Do you think we've nailed it? Maury 00:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
A very interesting and informative article, but two inline citations is not nearly enough for an article of this length and technical detail. Also, while it is well-written on the whole, there are a few instances of informal phrasing that make it seem not quite encyclopedic ("technical fortress," for instance) and a few places where it needs copyediting. This sentence, for instance, has a couple of problems as well as an external jump that should be converted to a footnote: "In 1955, an extensive article appeared in Look Magazine was published, that, among other claims, speculated that current UFO sitings were Soviet-built saucers, which looking remarkably similar to Frost's all-disk aircraft."
With citations and a good copyediting, the article should make GA with no trouble. Please do resubmit it when you've made the changes. MLilburne 10:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I'm reviewing the article for WP:GAC - it's improved immensely since last time around. I found (and fixed) one spelling mistake - but that was about the extent of my problems! One change I'd like to see (although it's not going to stop me from passing it) would be to switch over the references from a simple <ref> xxxx </ref> to using the more recent <ref>{{ cite book | xxxx }}</ref> so that references can follow a standard format with author names, etc. That's not a requirement for GA status though. (See: Template:Cite/doc for details on how to use the various citation templates.
Good work! I look forward to seeing this nominated for WP:FAC.
SteveBaker ( talk) 16:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was no consensus. — harej ( talk) 08:05, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
VZ-9 AV Avrocar →
Avro Canada VZ-9 AV Avrocar — Typically aircraft are recognized by the manufacturer's name and common name. In this case, Avro Canada is important to the title s it designated the company while the VZ-9 AV designation is the way the project was "buried" while "Avrocar" was also in common use. In order to give the article its true designation, it is better written as "Avro Canada VZ-9 AV Avrocar". FWiW
Bzuk (
talk)
19:35, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Just saying, "project Y" sure looks a lot like Vought_V-173. Not sure about the size, and the canopy looks very different, but its around the same time... 207.159.180.63 ( talk) 16:46, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Sometimes, I can't help but wonder if the people who contribute to Wikipedia ever read their sources. Case in point:
Would somebody care to show me where, in the cited article, there is evidence of it being a 'leak', like the Toronto Star release? Or where it says that UFO were Soviet-built saucers? Or in what way the illustrations which accompany the article were 'clearly influenced by the Avro design'? I've just read the article, and my impression is that it was clearly identified as a speculative piece, which was inspired by the numerous rumours about Project Y which appeared in the North American press after February 1953. Moreover, the illustrations are just as clearly identified as a 'design study'; produced by an aeronautical engineer who was employed by Republic Aviation, Look made no bones about the fact that 'the design could be arrived at independently and is only one of several possible approaches to the construction of a saucer craft.'
It's this kind of sloppiness which has people laughing at Wikipedia. So, if nobody has any objections, I'd like to remove the spurious remarks. Oboroten ( talk) 09:11, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
http://blogs.archives.gov/ndc/?p=426
List this inline or at the end? Hcobb ( talk) 02:05, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Regardless of whether this was intentionally designed as a ground-effect vehicle or not, shouldn't this get linked to Ground effect vehicle? Kortoso ( talk) 18:08, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Avro Canada VZ-9 Avrocar/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Great article! I had to assess it a B until it has passed through all steps of the GA-A-FA process. I assigned it as being of "mid" importance. It is an interesting concept, but there were no follow-up and they had not so much significance in avaiation history. |
Substituted at 17:58, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
The US National Archives has posted three long AvroCar videos on Youtube. These are AVRO film reports on the project.
These are very upbeat films, even though the thing flew very badly. The films show the progress from badly unstable to stable hover. It's amusing seeing it bump around the fields of what's now NASA Ames as a hovercraft. But it never got out of ground effect; max altitude was about 1 meter. John Nagle ( talk) 19:05, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
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Much of this article is not inline referenced - and wasn't at the time it was listed as a GA. Standards may have changed since 2008, but it's clear this doesn't meet the GA crtierion as it stands now. I'm going to launch a barrage of CN templates noting what needs to be inline-cited; I may or may not come back to do some of it myself later when I have time, but regardless I'll let it be worked on for awhile before considering GAR. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:45, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Missing a lot of inline citations. I count 17 citation needed tags. Can anything be done here, User:Maury Markowitz? Schierbecker ( talk) 20:57, 24 January 2023 (UTC)