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Everyone knows avocados are high in fat, but I wanted to know whether there is evidence that they are bad for you. Would be interested to know what the educated concensus is on this "fruit". Found the co-evolutionary section interesting.
they are high in monounsaturated fat, which is supposed to be good for you...plus if eaten raw or in guacamole, the fat is unheated and also probably hasn't been oxidized much... its a great food...
and a great article by Wikipedia...-- 72.57.16.170 ( talk) 02:41, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Importance of avocado oil, extraction and medicinal use.
It is worth mentioning that the Avocado trees exist in two sexes: A and B and both must be present in order for the flowers to pollinate and produce fruit planting guide. Because all of the breeds (varieties) currently available are clones of the origional tree of that breed, they are all the same sex and thus, for example, all Hass Avocados are sex A and all Bacon Avocados are sex B.
Avocado trees actually change reproductive sex mid-day. Depending on the tree's sex (A or B), it will be male in the morning and female in the afternoon, or vice-versa, on alternating days.
Following comments added to article page by User:219.88.216.162 at 03:34 on 29 December 2005
This is sufficiently unusual to require references for verification - I find it hard to trust when the additions also fail to use standard terminology (e.g. saying "variety" rather than 'cultivar') - MPF 09:12, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
can someone post the time it takes to mature/the life cycle? Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 04:52, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I have one seed of avocado which germinated and produced a green-leavish plant. I am keeping it not in full light of sun, but in a condition of diffused light. Is it better to put it directly under the sun? Will it grow faster or that is different from the expected growing environment? Thanks! -- Cantalamessa 14:32, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I misspelled a link as "avacado," and did not notice because the redirect took the link to the correct page. That resulted in another page having a spelling error that would have been immediately noticed if the redirect had not existed. Can we get rid of the "avacado" redirect? -- Darksasami 19:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
I put back in the information about the name that comes from the NPR story. Please don't delete it. -- Gbleem 02:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I personally find some of these hard to believe, and since I am only slightly unique, I figure other people would too. Particularly the 'locking up Aztec virgins during harvesting' and the 'growers had to dissociate the fruit from sex'.. MGlosenger 02:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I find it difficult to believe that "Avocados are much more expensive in the USA than other countries." They might be cheaper in poorer countries (as is most food), but in comparable (e.g., G7) countries? At any time of year I can get tiny avocados for 20 cents each. At some times of year I can get medium ones for 30. Most of the time, large ones are between 1 and 2 dollars. Is there any source for this claim? Calbaer 01:26, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
This page is looking great. What would it need to do to be in the running for star class? This really is a great web page, I'm quite impressed. Good work for anyone that edits here JayKeaton 05:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
How often does an avocado tree need watering if planted in a garden in southern Spain? 62.128.182.90 07:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
There is very little evidence that any food is actually a migraine trigger. I get migraines---no food trigger involved. What triggers a migraine remains unknown as a matter of science fact for the time being. Tmangray 00:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I changed it to Dispersion beyond Middle America, because Central America doesn't include Mexico. The article's first sentence says the avocado is native to Mexico and Central America. Someone changed it back, so apparently there is disagreement. If the avocado is native to just Central America, the introduction should be changed accordingly. Maybe people find the term "Middle America" confusing, because it can also refer to the central part of the U.S. If you can think of a term that includes both Mexico and Central America that is less confusing, please use it.
Also the sentence about Aztecs smearing avocado as a fertility ritual may well be true and not vandalism, but it belongs in another section and needs a citation. Wldcat ( talk) 05:38, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I think this is a former name of P. americana; if so Persea gratissima should redir here instead of to Persea (which does not mention it), and the article should mention the obsolete name. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 11:37, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi wat dose brenette mean —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.231.33.204 ( talk) 23:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
lol, redundancy much. removed peru not sure about mexico, is it in central or north america, or both?-- Mongreilf ( talk) 18:07, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
This article needs aesthetic changes. Some images are very small, and some may be unnecessary. It needs a better structure and it only has cultivation information on the US when it is the third produced in the world. -- FateClub 19:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I think the recipes section should be eliminated. Wikipedia shouldn't be in the business of suggesting what avocados are "good" on. "Some people like pear in there too." Come on. Neither relevant (there are thousands of recipes with avocados), nor particularly informative. Is Wikipedia supposed to be a cookbook? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.222.48.52 ( talk) 06:51, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
this article doesn't appear to have any information on the fruit's use by pre-Columbian Mexicans, the people who presumably first cultivated it. The history stuff just starts off with when Europeans first heard about it, which seems a little unbalanced. So when was it first culivated? and whereabouts in mezoamerica and by what groups specifically? -- Krsont 18:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps this is outside the scope of Wikipedia, but I would find it very useful if someone could add an explanation to the article as to how to determine whether an avocado is ripe or not. Avocados have a relatively short window between being unripe and overripe - I know that I can never seen to figure out whether one is ripe or not until I cut it open, after which, it's too late. I would suppose that other people would find this information useful as well. cbustapeck 20:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
What are the black strings that run through a ripe avocado and are they harmful to ingest?
Definitely do not refrigerate an unripe avocado. Doing so will slow the process and most likely will turn the inside of an unripened avocado black. If the avocado yields to gentle pressure and has an overall dark skin (deep purple to black) then your avocado is ripe and can be refrigerated to slow down the ripening process. A good tip is to also test the neck area of the avocado or the top of the avocado where it tapers towards the stem. When overripe this area will crack open and/or feel hollow when gentle pressure is applied. Also make sure to get an avocado that is symmetrical (no flat sides). If the avocado has dents in it or has areas that are beginning to cave in then you have an overripe avocado. Ideally you want to choose an avocado that is symmetrical, heavy, has an overall dark coloring, free from blemish, and yields to gentle pressure. To make sure you are getting an avocado that will not be overripe choose one that is firmer as opposed to softer. If you need the avocado to ripen faster, place it in a bag with an apple or banana. This will speed up the process due to the gas given off inside the bag by the apple or banana.
Ray Ortega ( talk) 22:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
It is said in the article that avocado contains vitamin E, but not in the box nutritional value/100g. Could not find the correct amount though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stenemo ( talk • contribs) 10:20, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Are you sure that hass is so wrong? It's named after Rudolph Haas, a La habra Heights postal worker who patented the variety in 1935.
Even if it's common to spell it Hass, it's hardly correct to say that Haas is wrong.
In any case, this info should probably make it's way into the article.
It appears that the common misspelling "Haas" stems from confusion with the Haas fruit trading company, which of course, deals in Avocados. John Elson ( talk) 14:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
They are loved so much.People add avocados to their food as they eat.This helps improve the taste of the food and the nutritional value as well.So when you take your next meal,just add a slice of Avocado and experience a taste like no other.This is so since Maurice says so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.139.128.2 ( talk) 11:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
An avocado is a drupe, right? (I just learned that word, having discovered it in another wikipedia article.)
A topic that needs to be investigated further is whether avocado contains vitamin D. Some papers are specifically devoted to the presence of vitamin D in avocado and yet this is not a mainstream view. See for example (Zanobini A, Firenzuoli AM, Bianchi A, Isolation and Determination of vitamin-D in avocado (Persea-Gratissima); BOLLETTINO DELLA SOCIETA ITALIANA DI BIOLOGIA SPERIMENTALE, 50 (12): 887-891 1974. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.23.186 ( talk) 23:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
The article says "Avocados are much more expensive in the USA than other countries due to the fact that they grow almost exclusively in California and Florida, and the main potential competitor (Mexico) is largely banned from the market".
I know from personal experience that Mexican avocados can indeed be found in grocery stores in the US. Does that mean that this ban is over? I don't have any hard data, though. Itub 22:01, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
I live in Hawaii, which is part of the USA, and avocados here are so plentiful that they are often given away for free. Avocados (mostly green ones, of both the round and ovoid varieties, not Hass or Haas) grow on all the Hawaiian Islands in abundance, but I do not see this mentioned in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonmaui ( talk • contribs) 00:41, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
The first two sentences are a bit contradictory and incomplete:
1 - Shape: it says first that "the fruit (...) may be egg-shaped or spherical" and then that it is indeed "pear-shaped", as some of the common names imply. In my opinion the correct information is the second one but in any case the two informations are contradictory.
2 - Color: Avocados are not only "green-skinned" (second sentence), but also often eggplant-colored, as shown in the image on the right. Skin can also be smooth or rough.
I don't want to put my hands directly on the page. Could someone confirm and update it?
FlavioMR ( talk) 15:16, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Some guidance on telling when an avocado is ripe would be useful. And is it safe to eat once the inside has gone dark?
This article is clearly geared toward the Mexican race/variety of the avocado, mostly leaving out the Guatemalan and West Indian races in several ways:
1. The average number of ripe avocados per tree, per year; the small Mexican race fruit grow in larger abundance than the large West Indian race fruit.
2. The exact origin of the avocado species as a whole is unknown, although presumed to be within present-day Mexico. The origin of the cultivated Mexican race can be traced to certain parts of Mexico, and that's all that gets shown in this article. Here's a source ( http://www.avocadosource.com/CAS_Yearbooks/CAS_70_1986/CAS_1986_PG_127-133.pdf) if anyone's interested.
3. Nutritional value of Mexican-type avocados only. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.108.118 ( talk) 06:51, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Very disappointed that this article does not say if this is a softwood, hardwood or semi-hardwood tree —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.30.31.182 ( talk) 09:22, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Generally speaking, softwoods are conifers and hardwoods are angiosperms. Persea are angiosperms, so they are hardwoods. There does not have to be an additional mention of this in the article. Some conifers are harder (Pinus elliotii var. densa) than many hardwoods because they evolved in areas with frequent cyclones/storms, and some hardwoods are soft because they evolved in such areas and benefited from fast growth. Persea, however, is both a hardwood and a genus that evolved around regular hurricane activity. It's safe to call it a hardwood species. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.108.118 ( talk) 06:56, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Leaves are never "evergreen" but trees may be if they get new leaves before old fall.
For some tree species, leaves may live more than 10 years, but avocado leaves only last about 13 months and when they fall they are yellow-brownish like in fall.
Of course the tree is never naked for young leaves are already ready.
Well, flowers are inconspicuous if taken alone, but really they are not alone but millions and blossom is very impressive.
-- Channer 17:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
If leaves are never truly evergreen, then wouldn't you logically assume that evergreen means something other than "forever green?" \ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.108.118 ( talk) 07:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
High avocado intake was shown in one study to lower blood cholesterol levels. Specifically, after a seven-day diet rich in avocados, mild hypercholesterolemia patients showed a 17% decrease in total serum cholesterol levels. These subjects also showed a 22% decrease in both LDL (harmful cholesterol) and triglyceride levels and 11% increase in HDL (helpful cholesterol) levels.[31] Additionally a Japanese team synthesised the four chiral components, and identified (2R, 4R)-16-heptadecene-1, 2, 4-triol as a natural antibacterial component.[32]
Avocado fruits have potential mouth-anticancer activity due to a combination of specific aliphatic acetogenins.[33]
Extracts of P. americana have been traditionally used to treat hypertension and diabetes mellitus.[34]
While this information cites sources and certainly seems to belong in this article, it seems a little out of place under the heading of Nutritional value perhaps there should be a separate section for Medicinal use or this heading should be changed to Nutritional value/Medicinal Use?
John Elson★3Dham★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 13:21, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
In my opinion, grass has seeds, apples have pips, and avocado pears have pits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.207.161.12 ( talk) 05:29, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
A pit is just a type of seed. You could argue that "pit" is more precise, but that doesn't make "seed" incorrect. John Elson★3Dham★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 13:26, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Avocado is not a traditional Japanese ingredient.
Is it really necessary, or even desirable to talk about that avocados are *not*? John Elson★3Dham★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 20:41, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
I suspect that the person wrote that was saying that avocados not traditionally used in Japanese cuisine. Since avocados are native to the Americas, it's hard to see how they could be! I'm wondering though, is it being stated that avocados are not used today in authentic Japanese food, as eaten in Japan by the Japanese or simply that it was not used traditionally? Perhaps with some clarification and a few references the part talking about the use of avocados in Japanese based foods could be rewritten so as to avoid giving a false impression.
If it is just a matter of traditional Japanese Cuisine not containing avocados then there is no need to mention it, since that really goes without saying. The same could be said for Scandinavian dishes or German foods.
On the other hand, if Avocado is not used even occasionally in Japan in such dishes, which I highly doubt, then it would be worth mentioning. John Elson★3Dham★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 04:12, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Avocado with cross section edit.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on November 20, 2011. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2011-11-20. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! howcheng { chat} 01:04, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Why not vegetable?-- Nixer 20:27, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
When are those Jokers going to learn that vegetables don't grow on trees? John Elson ( talk) 07:51, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
My home grown avocado has leaves of 45cm allready (about 5 years old). It is grown from a fruit, that is unlikely to be genetically altered. The 25cm form the article might only be for some races. -- Murata ( talk) 13:35, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
The section on "evolution" detracts from the whole article. It provides no information regarding the value of the avacado to the environment (as compared with the rest of the article). It is not backed-up with hard evidence, i.e. uses the words, "hypothesize" and "may". Consider removing this section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zalzalahbuttsaab ( talk • contribs) 05:44, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
If everything is not attributed to the All-Powerful and All-Glorious One, Who is the Single One of Unity, but is attributed to causes, it necessitates that many of the elements and causes present in the universe intervene in the being of every animate creature. Whereas that different and mutually opposing and conflicting causes should come together of their own accord in complete order, with the finest balance and in perfect concord in the being of a tiny creature, like a fly, is such an obvious impossibility that anyone with even an iota of consciousness would say: “This is impossible; it could not be!”
The tiny body of a fly is connected with most of the elements and causes in the universe; indeed, it is a summary of them. If it is not attributed to the Pre-Eternal and All-Powerful One, it is necessary for those material causes to be themselves present in the immediate vicinity of the fly; rather, for them all to enter into its tiny body; and even for them to enter each of the cells of its eyes, which are minute samples of its body. For if a cause is of a material nature, it is necessary for it to be present in the immediate vicinity of, and inside, its effect. And this necessitates accepting that the constituents and elements of the universe are physically present inside that minute cell, a place too small even for the tip of its antenna, and that they work there in harmony like a master.
A way such as this, then, shames even the most foolish of the Sophists.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gkhndlr ( talk • contribs) 20:41, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
And really, even if all avocados DID have large seeds, there's no reason they'd require a large animal to disperse them. You carry off an apple, you drop its core behind. Dispersed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 ( talk) 03:52, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Out of the blue the article mentions "Guatemalan type" avocados. Is that a different species? It should be defined in the article and written about as there are more species of avocado than just Persea americana 23.16.152.103 ( talk) 17:04, 27 August 2012 (UTC)BeeCier
This is my favourite fruit, if I could, I'd eat it year-round. I'm from Brazil, so our avocados most often go with other tropical fruits wherever we put them (if you don't know, putting fruits together to each other makes them ripen faster, and often rot; this is especially true for bananas) and the climate is pretty humid and/or hot (especially in kitchens, LOL), so they grow up that odd brownish parts that I used to call 'roots' inside the fruit or rot immediately if we don't watch out. As said before, one should never refrigerate an unripe avocado because it will seem to be unripe eternally.
Pressing gently is not really my kind of test for fruits because it can cause a significant damage even when done with care so that it may start to rot. Also, AFAIK fruits may be quite ripe in certain parts but not sufficiently so at others, and it is the case of avocados. When you see an avocado becoming almost entirely deep purple or black, start to shake it just close to your ear, preferentially your best one. Seriously. As it ripes, you will perceive the sounds the big seed does inside the fruit will change. When it sounds sufficiently vacant inside (you will start to know by practice), it is ripe. ^^
Unfortunately, I don't have any source. 177.40.150.110 ( talk) 12:46, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
It's interesting to see that this page neglects to mention that the Avocado doesn't taste of anything and looks like a green tinted form of the stuff that comes out of spots when you squeeze them - Maybe this is for the best, it'd be putting all those virgins right off! :)
Lawrie 16:16, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The article makes a distinction between A and B cultivars, but does not say what that means, or links to information about it. A quick google search doesn't turn up anything relevant. Can someone who knows fill in the information? Bajsejohannes ( talk) 21:30, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
It's a fruit. Why do you keep claiming that it is a "vegetable"?? Eregli bob ( talk) 13:18, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Vegetables don't grow on trees, but nuts sure do! John Elson★3Dham★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 11:42, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
The botanical definition of a berry is "a fleshy fruit produced from a single ovary". Whereas a nutIn culinary terms, a vegetable is an edible plant or its part, intended for cooking or eating raw. In biological terms, "vegetable" designates members of the plant kingdom.
So basically a nut is a type of fruit, a berry is also a type of fruit, an avocado is a berry and so also a fruit but not a nut, and a fruit is a type of vegetable. Gosh I'm getting hungry. Dusty| 💬| You can help! 18:47, 1 August 2013 (UTC)is a fruit composed of a hard shell and a seed, where the hard-shelled fruit does not open to release the seed[.]
The use of metric ton in Avocado#Avocado-related international trade issues is justified by the source which states "Jorge Fernandez, president of the Michoacan Avocado Producers Association, said that as a result of the complete opening of the U.S. market, Mexico is expected to send 180,000 metric tons (198,000 U.S. tons) of the fruit in the 2006-2007 season, up from 136,000 metric tons (150,000 U.S. tons) the previous year." [9]. Peter Horn User talk 19:18, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
The article currently says: "aguacate (lawyer)" which implies that "aguacate" is Spanish for "lawyer". But abogado is modern Spanish for lawyer, and the etymology given by the RAE (at rae.es) doesn't mention aguacate being an intermediate form. What gives? As far as I can tell, the article would make more sense by getting rid the word "lawyer", but before I made the deletion, I'd like to see what others thought. Wldcat ( talk) 00:16, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
The Etymology section of this article make no sense at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.129.43.55 ( talk) 11:55, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Just read the etymology section...entirely contradictory! It promotes a theory, then refutes it, at least twice. Its fine to say there is a debate, but say there is a debate, don't argue about it and present both as true. Sadly, I know nothing so can't fix it.
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The meaning of the Nahuatl word a:huacatl was and is avocado, the meaning "testicle" was/is secondary used as a euphemism - Karttunen lists it as an alternative meaning in her dictionary, not as a primary meaning. The Nahua word goes back to an original proto-Nahuan word *pawa-ka-ta, which also meant avocado (see Dakin 1982). The correct and general word for testicle in Nahuatl is xitetl, calling them ahuacatl is exactly like the common Spanish use of calling them huevos - a euphemism. Suggesting that the words original meaning was "testicle" is like suggesting that the original meaning of "wiener" was "penis". I've changed this part. Also there is no evidence i know of to suggest that the Aztecs considered it a "fertility fruit". This probably comes from some guidebook or cook book that invented it to make the fruit more interesting. ·ʍaunus· snunɐw· 02:01, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
" User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 22:43, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
This issue looks unresolved - the compromise update made by Maunus on 17 July has not persisted, and there is no citation for an original meaning of the word other than 'testicle'. Multiple times the word 'testicle' has been deleted from the etymology. Multiple times that deletion has been made by the same user [11] [12] with an uncited claim in the edit summary on that second occasion that the meaning of the word is simply 'avocado'. The omission of any meaning of the Nahuatl word makes a nonsense of the first sentence on etymology - as has been noted in the Etymology (unnumbered) section above. Given that this has happened on multiple occasions, it would be good to clarify the etymology here, and possibly arbitrate if necessary. There are multiple citations for the meaning of testicle, including the Merriam-Webster dictonary owned (cough) by the Encyclopaedia Britannica [1] [2] [3] Frankly, the repeated deletion of the word appears, at casual inspection, to be an issue of prudishness. Nsw2042 ( talk) 11:18, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
References
The article says
"Persea americana, or the avocado, originated in the state of Puebla, Mexico."
and
"The oldest evidence of avocado use was found in a cave located in Coxcatlán, Puebla, Mexico, that dates to around 10,000 BC",
but http://www.avocadosource.com/CAS_Yearbooks/CAS_53_1969/CAS_1969_PG_059-060.pdf says
"The association of fossil avocado leaves with those of other tropical and subtropical species provides evidence that much warmer, more humid environmental conditions probably existed in that prehistoric period, the Pleiocene, estimated as 10 to 15 million years ago, compared with the moderately arid climate characteristic of the major portion of present day California."
Are we talking about the same plant here? Or even something closely related? -- Guy Macon ( talk) 02:55, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
The article you site says that fossil leaves from avocados have been in California that date from 10 to 15 million years ago, and then goes on to state that the climate in the area that is now California must have been quite different than it is today. The implication is that wild variety avocados (or perhaps an ancestral species) would not have survived in the climate that California has today, so the climate in that area must have been more conducive to avocados. This also implies, correctly, that the species died out in California millions of years ago.
The statement that avocados were first used by humans in Mexico over 10 million years later has no connection with whether the species, or a closely related one, once lived in California.
This brings up a good question. What was your purpose in making this post, and the subsequent edit? Is this a test to see if people are paying attention?
As for why nobody said anything, it could be that they were only monitoring the main page and ignoring the talk page or they just dismissed your post as a random crackpot post , or an April fools joke posted a few days too soon. I for one had no idea you planned to remove an entire section based on an article that had nothing to do with the subject of the section, unless you are seriously suggesting that the fossil leaves are evidence that humans used avocados in what is now California over 10 million years ago!
In short, unless you come up with an argument that actually makes sense (assuming this isn't some kind of joke) then I'm going to put the section back where it belongs.
If you're trying to make the point that crackpot posts should not be ignored, no matter how faulty their logic, since they contain an implied threat of an inappropriate edit, then your point is well taken. I didn't just ignore the guy who suggested that the People's Temple article incorrectly stated that there was no video of the actual event (he thought that footage from a drama made two years later was from the actual event), so I shouldn't have ignored your posts either. John Alan Elson★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 05:12, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps I did over react a bit. That section referred to the present day form and human uses/cultivation but could be changed to acknowledge that ancestral forms may have been more widespread millions of years ago when the climate was different. John Alan Elson★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 13:48, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
It's worth mentioning that avocados are toxic to many pets (e.g. dogs, cats and birds especially). The leaves and pits of the avocado tree may be toxic to humans as well.
It's also worth mentioning that some dog foods are made with avocados. I am not sure it is reliable to say avocado fruit is toxic to dogs. Does anyone have a source for this assertion? It is safer to say some dogs may be allergic to the avocado fruit. The same may be said for cats, but I haven't looked into it.
http://www.breeders-choice.com/dog_products/avodermdog_veg.htm
Leon F. Whitney, The Complete Book of Dog Care. Revised ed. (New York: Doubleday, 1985), pp. 38-40.
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Scot.hale@gmail.com
21:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
The scientific article cited in the main article states that the toxic chemical is in avocado leaves, not fruit. Lord Kelvin 02:22, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for noting that. I updated the paragraph about Avocado as a poison removing all the material that wasn't referenced. Also I made sure it was understood that the fruit is not as toxic as the leaves. -- Scot.hale 03:37, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
It is still not clear in the article, and the makers of Avoderm would likely disagree that avocados are toxic to cats and dogs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.103.106.142 ( talk) 05:44, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
The ASPCA article doesn't say at all that the fruit is toxic to animals; it talks generally about the plant without specifying which parts are toxic. This article seems to suggest (because of the citation) that the fruit is toxic according to the ASPCA, which is misleading. Looking around online I can't find anything to suggest that the fruit itself is toxic to cats or dogs. 216.9.12.110 ( talk) 06:11, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
The Merck Vetinary Manual has a page on avocados which should help clear up what is actually known.
http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/toxicology/food_hazards/avocado.html
In particular it makes it clear that all parts of the plant contain persin, however the leaves have the most. It lists a bunch of animals known to have had myocardial necrosis and sterile mastitis caused by avocadoes, however only one (old) case of two dogs is known, and it goes on to say that "dogs appear to be relatively resistant compared with other species".
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History section, paragraph 2, line 2 reads: "that dates to around 10,000 BC." Should read "that dates to around 10,000 BCE." 143.215.148.37 ( talk) 20:12, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Explain or delete:
Yield is reduced when the irrigation water has a high electrical conductivity.
Jclerman 11:30, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
- That's actually funny. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.125.209.229 ( talk) 00:18, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Like the German and Danish names, the Dutch 'advokaatpeer' is completely obsolete - I've never heard anyone use it in 33 years of living here. The only Dutch word is 'avocado'. 213.127.210.95 ( talk) 17:31, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
The "Cultivation in Mexico" section states that "Mexico produces most of the world's avocados," but the table included earlier in the article contradicts this.
The word "most" is generally understood to mean at least a simple majority, if not some sort of super majority. From the table though, it's clear that Mexico definitely produces a plurality of the word's avocados (far more than any other single country), but not a majority - not even more than the combined total of the other countries included in the table, which doesn't even include those grown in a number of other countries not listed.
So the wording should be change in the article to reflect this. Perhaps something along the lines of: "Mexico is by far the world's largest avocado growing country, producing several times more than the second largest producer, the Dominican Republic." - 2003:CA:83C9:FC00:3898:CAA6:EB56:496B ( talk) 17:06, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
The article begins with the faulty statement:
In fact further down, the article states that the avocado originates from the Mexican state of Puebla. Puebla is in southern central Mexico, but not in the state of South-Central Mexico.
So the lead needs to be grammatically corrected as follows (note lower case spelling):
At one point the article states that avocados are high in monounsaturated fats, then later, that they contain a lot of saturated fat. Is this contradictory? Joyous 16:16, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)
from NATS the following % protein accounts for water content:
spinach 3% broccoli 3% mushroom 2% avocado 2% lettuce 1%
Not only Persea and P. americana are called avocado. See [14]
Hi wat dose brenette mean
Is there a better source for [7]'s claim that avocado-shaped indigenous pottery dates to 900 AD? It links to an online newsletter that cannot verify. Aguessartist 13 May 2014
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Everyone knows avocados are high in fat, but I wanted to know whether there is evidence that they are bad for you. Would be interested to know what the educated concensus is on this "fruit". Found the co-evolutionary section interesting.
they are high in monounsaturated fat, which is supposed to be good for you...plus if eaten raw or in guacamole, the fat is unheated and also probably hasn't been oxidized much... its a great food...
and a great article by Wikipedia...-- 72.57.16.170 ( talk) 02:41, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Importance of avocado oil, extraction and medicinal use.
It is worth mentioning that the Avocado trees exist in two sexes: A and B and both must be present in order for the flowers to pollinate and produce fruit planting guide. Because all of the breeds (varieties) currently available are clones of the origional tree of that breed, they are all the same sex and thus, for example, all Hass Avocados are sex A and all Bacon Avocados are sex B.
Avocado trees actually change reproductive sex mid-day. Depending on the tree's sex (A or B), it will be male in the morning and female in the afternoon, or vice-versa, on alternating days.
Following comments added to article page by User:219.88.216.162 at 03:34 on 29 December 2005
This is sufficiently unusual to require references for verification - I find it hard to trust when the additions also fail to use standard terminology (e.g. saying "variety" rather than 'cultivar') - MPF 09:12, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
can someone post the time it takes to mature/the life cycle? Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 04:52, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I have one seed of avocado which germinated and produced a green-leavish plant. I am keeping it not in full light of sun, but in a condition of diffused light. Is it better to put it directly under the sun? Will it grow faster or that is different from the expected growing environment? Thanks! -- Cantalamessa 14:32, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I misspelled a link as "avacado," and did not notice because the redirect took the link to the correct page. That resulted in another page having a spelling error that would have been immediately noticed if the redirect had not existed. Can we get rid of the "avacado" redirect? -- Darksasami 19:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
I put back in the information about the name that comes from the NPR story. Please don't delete it. -- Gbleem 02:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I personally find some of these hard to believe, and since I am only slightly unique, I figure other people would too. Particularly the 'locking up Aztec virgins during harvesting' and the 'growers had to dissociate the fruit from sex'.. MGlosenger 02:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I find it difficult to believe that "Avocados are much more expensive in the USA than other countries." They might be cheaper in poorer countries (as is most food), but in comparable (e.g., G7) countries? At any time of year I can get tiny avocados for 20 cents each. At some times of year I can get medium ones for 30. Most of the time, large ones are between 1 and 2 dollars. Is there any source for this claim? Calbaer 01:26, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
This page is looking great. What would it need to do to be in the running for star class? This really is a great web page, I'm quite impressed. Good work for anyone that edits here JayKeaton 05:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
How often does an avocado tree need watering if planted in a garden in southern Spain? 62.128.182.90 07:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
There is very little evidence that any food is actually a migraine trigger. I get migraines---no food trigger involved. What triggers a migraine remains unknown as a matter of science fact for the time being. Tmangray 00:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I changed it to Dispersion beyond Middle America, because Central America doesn't include Mexico. The article's first sentence says the avocado is native to Mexico and Central America. Someone changed it back, so apparently there is disagreement. If the avocado is native to just Central America, the introduction should be changed accordingly. Maybe people find the term "Middle America" confusing, because it can also refer to the central part of the U.S. If you can think of a term that includes both Mexico and Central America that is less confusing, please use it.
Also the sentence about Aztecs smearing avocado as a fertility ritual may well be true and not vandalism, but it belongs in another section and needs a citation. Wldcat ( talk) 05:38, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I think this is a former name of P. americana; if so Persea gratissima should redir here instead of to Persea (which does not mention it), and the article should mention the obsolete name. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 11:37, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi wat dose brenette mean —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.231.33.204 ( talk) 23:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
lol, redundancy much. removed peru not sure about mexico, is it in central or north america, or both?-- Mongreilf ( talk) 18:07, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
This article needs aesthetic changes. Some images are very small, and some may be unnecessary. It needs a better structure and it only has cultivation information on the US when it is the third produced in the world. -- FateClub 19:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I think the recipes section should be eliminated. Wikipedia shouldn't be in the business of suggesting what avocados are "good" on. "Some people like pear in there too." Come on. Neither relevant (there are thousands of recipes with avocados), nor particularly informative. Is Wikipedia supposed to be a cookbook? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.222.48.52 ( talk) 06:51, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
this article doesn't appear to have any information on the fruit's use by pre-Columbian Mexicans, the people who presumably first cultivated it. The history stuff just starts off with when Europeans first heard about it, which seems a little unbalanced. So when was it first culivated? and whereabouts in mezoamerica and by what groups specifically? -- Krsont 18:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps this is outside the scope of Wikipedia, but I would find it very useful if someone could add an explanation to the article as to how to determine whether an avocado is ripe or not. Avocados have a relatively short window between being unripe and overripe - I know that I can never seen to figure out whether one is ripe or not until I cut it open, after which, it's too late. I would suppose that other people would find this information useful as well. cbustapeck 20:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
What are the black strings that run through a ripe avocado and are they harmful to ingest?
Definitely do not refrigerate an unripe avocado. Doing so will slow the process and most likely will turn the inside of an unripened avocado black. If the avocado yields to gentle pressure and has an overall dark skin (deep purple to black) then your avocado is ripe and can be refrigerated to slow down the ripening process. A good tip is to also test the neck area of the avocado or the top of the avocado where it tapers towards the stem. When overripe this area will crack open and/or feel hollow when gentle pressure is applied. Also make sure to get an avocado that is symmetrical (no flat sides). If the avocado has dents in it or has areas that are beginning to cave in then you have an overripe avocado. Ideally you want to choose an avocado that is symmetrical, heavy, has an overall dark coloring, free from blemish, and yields to gentle pressure. To make sure you are getting an avocado that will not be overripe choose one that is firmer as opposed to softer. If you need the avocado to ripen faster, place it in a bag with an apple or banana. This will speed up the process due to the gas given off inside the bag by the apple or banana.
Ray Ortega ( talk) 22:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
It is said in the article that avocado contains vitamin E, but not in the box nutritional value/100g. Could not find the correct amount though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stenemo ( talk • contribs) 10:20, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Are you sure that hass is so wrong? It's named after Rudolph Haas, a La habra Heights postal worker who patented the variety in 1935.
Even if it's common to spell it Hass, it's hardly correct to say that Haas is wrong.
In any case, this info should probably make it's way into the article.
It appears that the common misspelling "Haas" stems from confusion with the Haas fruit trading company, which of course, deals in Avocados. John Elson ( talk) 14:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
They are loved so much.People add avocados to their food as they eat.This helps improve the taste of the food and the nutritional value as well.So when you take your next meal,just add a slice of Avocado and experience a taste like no other.This is so since Maurice says so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.139.128.2 ( talk) 11:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
An avocado is a drupe, right? (I just learned that word, having discovered it in another wikipedia article.)
A topic that needs to be investigated further is whether avocado contains vitamin D. Some papers are specifically devoted to the presence of vitamin D in avocado and yet this is not a mainstream view. See for example (Zanobini A, Firenzuoli AM, Bianchi A, Isolation and Determination of vitamin-D in avocado (Persea-Gratissima); BOLLETTINO DELLA SOCIETA ITALIANA DI BIOLOGIA SPERIMENTALE, 50 (12): 887-891 1974. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.23.186 ( talk) 23:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
The article says "Avocados are much more expensive in the USA than other countries due to the fact that they grow almost exclusively in California and Florida, and the main potential competitor (Mexico) is largely banned from the market".
I know from personal experience that Mexican avocados can indeed be found in grocery stores in the US. Does that mean that this ban is over? I don't have any hard data, though. Itub 22:01, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
I live in Hawaii, which is part of the USA, and avocados here are so plentiful that they are often given away for free. Avocados (mostly green ones, of both the round and ovoid varieties, not Hass or Haas) grow on all the Hawaiian Islands in abundance, but I do not see this mentioned in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonmaui ( talk • contribs) 00:41, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
The first two sentences are a bit contradictory and incomplete:
1 - Shape: it says first that "the fruit (...) may be egg-shaped or spherical" and then that it is indeed "pear-shaped", as some of the common names imply. In my opinion the correct information is the second one but in any case the two informations are contradictory.
2 - Color: Avocados are not only "green-skinned" (second sentence), but also often eggplant-colored, as shown in the image on the right. Skin can also be smooth or rough.
I don't want to put my hands directly on the page. Could someone confirm and update it?
FlavioMR ( talk) 15:16, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Some guidance on telling when an avocado is ripe would be useful. And is it safe to eat once the inside has gone dark?
This article is clearly geared toward the Mexican race/variety of the avocado, mostly leaving out the Guatemalan and West Indian races in several ways:
1. The average number of ripe avocados per tree, per year; the small Mexican race fruit grow in larger abundance than the large West Indian race fruit.
2. The exact origin of the avocado species as a whole is unknown, although presumed to be within present-day Mexico. The origin of the cultivated Mexican race can be traced to certain parts of Mexico, and that's all that gets shown in this article. Here's a source ( http://www.avocadosource.com/CAS_Yearbooks/CAS_70_1986/CAS_1986_PG_127-133.pdf) if anyone's interested.
3. Nutritional value of Mexican-type avocados only. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.108.118 ( talk) 06:51, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Very disappointed that this article does not say if this is a softwood, hardwood or semi-hardwood tree —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.30.31.182 ( talk) 09:22, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Generally speaking, softwoods are conifers and hardwoods are angiosperms. Persea are angiosperms, so they are hardwoods. There does not have to be an additional mention of this in the article. Some conifers are harder (Pinus elliotii var. densa) than many hardwoods because they evolved in areas with frequent cyclones/storms, and some hardwoods are soft because they evolved in such areas and benefited from fast growth. Persea, however, is both a hardwood and a genus that evolved around regular hurricane activity. It's safe to call it a hardwood species. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.108.118 ( talk) 06:56, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Leaves are never "evergreen" but trees may be if they get new leaves before old fall.
For some tree species, leaves may live more than 10 years, but avocado leaves only last about 13 months and when they fall they are yellow-brownish like in fall.
Of course the tree is never naked for young leaves are already ready.
Well, flowers are inconspicuous if taken alone, but really they are not alone but millions and blossom is very impressive.
-- Channer 17:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
If leaves are never truly evergreen, then wouldn't you logically assume that evergreen means something other than "forever green?" \ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.108.118 ( talk) 07:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
High avocado intake was shown in one study to lower blood cholesterol levels. Specifically, after a seven-day diet rich in avocados, mild hypercholesterolemia patients showed a 17% decrease in total serum cholesterol levels. These subjects also showed a 22% decrease in both LDL (harmful cholesterol) and triglyceride levels and 11% increase in HDL (helpful cholesterol) levels.[31] Additionally a Japanese team synthesised the four chiral components, and identified (2R, 4R)-16-heptadecene-1, 2, 4-triol as a natural antibacterial component.[32]
Avocado fruits have potential mouth-anticancer activity due to a combination of specific aliphatic acetogenins.[33]
Extracts of P. americana have been traditionally used to treat hypertension and diabetes mellitus.[34]
While this information cites sources and certainly seems to belong in this article, it seems a little out of place under the heading of Nutritional value perhaps there should be a separate section for Medicinal use or this heading should be changed to Nutritional value/Medicinal Use?
John Elson★3Dham★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 13:21, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
In my opinion, grass has seeds, apples have pips, and avocado pears have pits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.207.161.12 ( talk) 05:29, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
A pit is just a type of seed. You could argue that "pit" is more precise, but that doesn't make "seed" incorrect. John Elson★3Dham★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 13:26, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Avocado is not a traditional Japanese ingredient.
Is it really necessary, or even desirable to talk about that avocados are *not*? John Elson★3Dham★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 20:41, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
I suspect that the person wrote that was saying that avocados not traditionally used in Japanese cuisine. Since avocados are native to the Americas, it's hard to see how they could be! I'm wondering though, is it being stated that avocados are not used today in authentic Japanese food, as eaten in Japan by the Japanese or simply that it was not used traditionally? Perhaps with some clarification and a few references the part talking about the use of avocados in Japanese based foods could be rewritten so as to avoid giving a false impression.
If it is just a matter of traditional Japanese Cuisine not containing avocados then there is no need to mention it, since that really goes without saying. The same could be said for Scandinavian dishes or German foods.
On the other hand, if Avocado is not used even occasionally in Japan in such dishes, which I highly doubt, then it would be worth mentioning. John Elson★3Dham★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 04:12, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Avocado with cross section edit.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on November 20, 2011. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2011-11-20. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! howcheng { chat} 01:04, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Why not vegetable?-- Nixer 20:27, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
When are those Jokers going to learn that vegetables don't grow on trees? John Elson ( talk) 07:51, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
My home grown avocado has leaves of 45cm allready (about 5 years old). It is grown from a fruit, that is unlikely to be genetically altered. The 25cm form the article might only be for some races. -- Murata ( talk) 13:35, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
The section on "evolution" detracts from the whole article. It provides no information regarding the value of the avacado to the environment (as compared with the rest of the article). It is not backed-up with hard evidence, i.e. uses the words, "hypothesize" and "may". Consider removing this section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zalzalahbuttsaab ( talk • contribs) 05:44, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
If everything is not attributed to the All-Powerful and All-Glorious One, Who is the Single One of Unity, but is attributed to causes, it necessitates that many of the elements and causes present in the universe intervene in the being of every animate creature. Whereas that different and mutually opposing and conflicting causes should come together of their own accord in complete order, with the finest balance and in perfect concord in the being of a tiny creature, like a fly, is such an obvious impossibility that anyone with even an iota of consciousness would say: “This is impossible; it could not be!”
The tiny body of a fly is connected with most of the elements and causes in the universe; indeed, it is a summary of them. If it is not attributed to the Pre-Eternal and All-Powerful One, it is necessary for those material causes to be themselves present in the immediate vicinity of the fly; rather, for them all to enter into its tiny body; and even for them to enter each of the cells of its eyes, which are minute samples of its body. For if a cause is of a material nature, it is necessary for it to be present in the immediate vicinity of, and inside, its effect. And this necessitates accepting that the constituents and elements of the universe are physically present inside that minute cell, a place too small even for the tip of its antenna, and that they work there in harmony like a master.
A way such as this, then, shames even the most foolish of the Sophists.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gkhndlr ( talk • contribs) 20:41, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
And really, even if all avocados DID have large seeds, there's no reason they'd require a large animal to disperse them. You carry off an apple, you drop its core behind. Dispersed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 ( talk) 03:52, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Out of the blue the article mentions "Guatemalan type" avocados. Is that a different species? It should be defined in the article and written about as there are more species of avocado than just Persea americana 23.16.152.103 ( talk) 17:04, 27 August 2012 (UTC)BeeCier
This is my favourite fruit, if I could, I'd eat it year-round. I'm from Brazil, so our avocados most often go with other tropical fruits wherever we put them (if you don't know, putting fruits together to each other makes them ripen faster, and often rot; this is especially true for bananas) and the climate is pretty humid and/or hot (especially in kitchens, LOL), so they grow up that odd brownish parts that I used to call 'roots' inside the fruit or rot immediately if we don't watch out. As said before, one should never refrigerate an unripe avocado because it will seem to be unripe eternally.
Pressing gently is not really my kind of test for fruits because it can cause a significant damage even when done with care so that it may start to rot. Also, AFAIK fruits may be quite ripe in certain parts but not sufficiently so at others, and it is the case of avocados. When you see an avocado becoming almost entirely deep purple or black, start to shake it just close to your ear, preferentially your best one. Seriously. As it ripes, you will perceive the sounds the big seed does inside the fruit will change. When it sounds sufficiently vacant inside (you will start to know by practice), it is ripe. ^^
Unfortunately, I don't have any source. 177.40.150.110 ( talk) 12:46, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
It's interesting to see that this page neglects to mention that the Avocado doesn't taste of anything and looks like a green tinted form of the stuff that comes out of spots when you squeeze them - Maybe this is for the best, it'd be putting all those virgins right off! :)
Lawrie 16:16, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The article makes a distinction between A and B cultivars, but does not say what that means, or links to information about it. A quick google search doesn't turn up anything relevant. Can someone who knows fill in the information? Bajsejohannes ( talk) 21:30, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
It's a fruit. Why do you keep claiming that it is a "vegetable"?? Eregli bob ( talk) 13:18, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Vegetables don't grow on trees, but nuts sure do! John Elson★3Dham★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 11:42, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
The botanical definition of a berry is "a fleshy fruit produced from a single ovary". Whereas a nutIn culinary terms, a vegetable is an edible plant or its part, intended for cooking or eating raw. In biological terms, "vegetable" designates members of the plant kingdom.
So basically a nut is a type of fruit, a berry is also a type of fruit, an avocado is a berry and so also a fruit but not a nut, and a fruit is a type of vegetable. Gosh I'm getting hungry. Dusty| 💬| You can help! 18:47, 1 August 2013 (UTC)is a fruit composed of a hard shell and a seed, where the hard-shelled fruit does not open to release the seed[.]
The use of metric ton in Avocado#Avocado-related international trade issues is justified by the source which states "Jorge Fernandez, president of the Michoacan Avocado Producers Association, said that as a result of the complete opening of the U.S. market, Mexico is expected to send 180,000 metric tons (198,000 U.S. tons) of the fruit in the 2006-2007 season, up from 136,000 metric tons (150,000 U.S. tons) the previous year." [9]. Peter Horn User talk 19:18, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
The article currently says: "aguacate (lawyer)" which implies that "aguacate" is Spanish for "lawyer". But abogado is modern Spanish for lawyer, and the etymology given by the RAE (at rae.es) doesn't mention aguacate being an intermediate form. What gives? As far as I can tell, the article would make more sense by getting rid the word "lawyer", but before I made the deletion, I'd like to see what others thought. Wldcat ( talk) 00:16, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
The Etymology section of this article make no sense at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.129.43.55 ( talk) 11:55, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Just read the etymology section...entirely contradictory! It promotes a theory, then refutes it, at least twice. Its fine to say there is a debate, but say there is a debate, don't argue about it and present both as true. Sadly, I know nothing so can't fix it.
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The meaning of the Nahuatl word a:huacatl was and is avocado, the meaning "testicle" was/is secondary used as a euphemism - Karttunen lists it as an alternative meaning in her dictionary, not as a primary meaning. The Nahua word goes back to an original proto-Nahuan word *pawa-ka-ta, which also meant avocado (see Dakin 1982). The correct and general word for testicle in Nahuatl is xitetl, calling them ahuacatl is exactly like the common Spanish use of calling them huevos - a euphemism. Suggesting that the words original meaning was "testicle" is like suggesting that the original meaning of "wiener" was "penis". I've changed this part. Also there is no evidence i know of to suggest that the Aztecs considered it a "fertility fruit". This probably comes from some guidebook or cook book that invented it to make the fruit more interesting. ·ʍaunus· snunɐw· 02:01, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
" User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 22:43, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
This issue looks unresolved - the compromise update made by Maunus on 17 July has not persisted, and there is no citation for an original meaning of the word other than 'testicle'. Multiple times the word 'testicle' has been deleted from the etymology. Multiple times that deletion has been made by the same user [11] [12] with an uncited claim in the edit summary on that second occasion that the meaning of the word is simply 'avocado'. The omission of any meaning of the Nahuatl word makes a nonsense of the first sentence on etymology - as has been noted in the Etymology (unnumbered) section above. Given that this has happened on multiple occasions, it would be good to clarify the etymology here, and possibly arbitrate if necessary. There are multiple citations for the meaning of testicle, including the Merriam-Webster dictonary owned (cough) by the Encyclopaedia Britannica [1] [2] [3] Frankly, the repeated deletion of the word appears, at casual inspection, to be an issue of prudishness. Nsw2042 ( talk) 11:18, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
References
The article says
"Persea americana, or the avocado, originated in the state of Puebla, Mexico."
and
"The oldest evidence of avocado use was found in a cave located in Coxcatlán, Puebla, Mexico, that dates to around 10,000 BC",
but http://www.avocadosource.com/CAS_Yearbooks/CAS_53_1969/CAS_1969_PG_059-060.pdf says
"The association of fossil avocado leaves with those of other tropical and subtropical species provides evidence that much warmer, more humid environmental conditions probably existed in that prehistoric period, the Pleiocene, estimated as 10 to 15 million years ago, compared with the moderately arid climate characteristic of the major portion of present day California."
Are we talking about the same plant here? Or even something closely related? -- Guy Macon ( talk) 02:55, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
The article you site says that fossil leaves from avocados have been in California that date from 10 to 15 million years ago, and then goes on to state that the climate in the area that is now California must have been quite different than it is today. The implication is that wild variety avocados (or perhaps an ancestral species) would not have survived in the climate that California has today, so the climate in that area must have been more conducive to avocados. This also implies, correctly, that the species died out in California millions of years ago.
The statement that avocados were first used by humans in Mexico over 10 million years later has no connection with whether the species, or a closely related one, once lived in California.
This brings up a good question. What was your purpose in making this post, and the subsequent edit? Is this a test to see if people are paying attention?
As for why nobody said anything, it could be that they were only monitoring the main page and ignoring the talk page or they just dismissed your post as a random crackpot post , or an April fools joke posted a few days too soon. I for one had no idea you planned to remove an entire section based on an article that had nothing to do with the subject of the section, unless you are seriously suggesting that the fossil leaves are evidence that humans used avocados in what is now California over 10 million years ago!
In short, unless you come up with an argument that actually makes sense (assuming this isn't some kind of joke) then I'm going to put the section back where it belongs.
If you're trying to make the point that crackpot posts should not be ignored, no matter how faulty their logic, since they contain an implied threat of an inappropriate edit, then your point is well taken. I didn't just ignore the guy who suggested that the People's Temple article incorrectly stated that there was no video of the actual event (he thought that footage from a drama made two years later was from the actual event), so I shouldn't have ignored your posts either. John Alan Elson★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 05:12, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps I did over react a bit. That section referred to the present day form and human uses/cultivation but could be changed to acknowledge that ancestral forms may have been more widespread millions of years ago when the climate was different. John Alan Elson★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 13:48, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
It's worth mentioning that avocados are toxic to many pets (e.g. dogs, cats and birds especially). The leaves and pits of the avocado tree may be toxic to humans as well.
It's also worth mentioning that some dog foods are made with avocados. I am not sure it is reliable to say avocado fruit is toxic to dogs. Does anyone have a source for this assertion? It is safer to say some dogs may be allergic to the avocado fruit. The same may be said for cats, but I haven't looked into it.
http://www.breeders-choice.com/dog_products/avodermdog_veg.htm
Leon F. Whitney, The Complete Book of Dog Care. Revised ed. (New York: Doubleday, 1985), pp. 38-40.
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Scot.hale@gmail.com
21:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
The scientific article cited in the main article states that the toxic chemical is in avocado leaves, not fruit. Lord Kelvin 02:22, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for noting that. I updated the paragraph about Avocado as a poison removing all the material that wasn't referenced. Also I made sure it was understood that the fruit is not as toxic as the leaves. -- Scot.hale 03:37, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
It is still not clear in the article, and the makers of Avoderm would likely disagree that avocados are toxic to cats and dogs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.103.106.142 ( talk) 05:44, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
The ASPCA article doesn't say at all that the fruit is toxic to animals; it talks generally about the plant without specifying which parts are toxic. This article seems to suggest (because of the citation) that the fruit is toxic according to the ASPCA, which is misleading. Looking around online I can't find anything to suggest that the fruit itself is toxic to cats or dogs. 216.9.12.110 ( talk) 06:11, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
The Merck Vetinary Manual has a page on avocados which should help clear up what is actually known.
http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/toxicology/food_hazards/avocado.html
In particular it makes it clear that all parts of the plant contain persin, however the leaves have the most. It lists a bunch of animals known to have had myocardial necrosis and sterile mastitis caused by avocadoes, however only one (old) case of two dogs is known, and it goes on to say that "dogs appear to be relatively resistant compared with other species".
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History section, paragraph 2, line 2 reads: "that dates to around 10,000 BC." Should read "that dates to around 10,000 BCE." 143.215.148.37 ( talk) 20:12, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
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Yield is reduced when the irrigation water has a high electrical conductivity.
Jclerman 11:30, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
- That's actually funny. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.125.209.229 ( talk) 00:18, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Like the German and Danish names, the Dutch 'advokaatpeer' is completely obsolete - I've never heard anyone use it in 33 years of living here. The only Dutch word is 'avocado'. 213.127.210.95 ( talk) 17:31, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
The "Cultivation in Mexico" section states that "Mexico produces most of the world's avocados," but the table included earlier in the article contradicts this.
The word "most" is generally understood to mean at least a simple majority, if not some sort of super majority. From the table though, it's clear that Mexico definitely produces a plurality of the word's avocados (far more than any other single country), but not a majority - not even more than the combined total of the other countries included in the table, which doesn't even include those grown in a number of other countries not listed.
So the wording should be change in the article to reflect this. Perhaps something along the lines of: "Mexico is by far the world's largest avocado growing country, producing several times more than the second largest producer, the Dominican Republic." - 2003:CA:83C9:FC00:3898:CAA6:EB56:496B ( talk) 17:06, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
The article begins with the faulty statement:
In fact further down, the article states that the avocado originates from the Mexican state of Puebla. Puebla is in southern central Mexico, but not in the state of South-Central Mexico.
So the lead needs to be grammatically corrected as follows (note lower case spelling):
At one point the article states that avocados are high in monounsaturated fats, then later, that they contain a lot of saturated fat. Is this contradictory? Joyous 16:16, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)
from NATS the following % protein accounts for water content:
spinach 3% broccoli 3% mushroom 2% avocado 2% lettuce 1%
Not only Persea and P. americana are called avocado. See [14]
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Is there a better source for [7]'s claim that avocado-shaped indigenous pottery dates to 900 AD? It links to an online newsletter that cannot verify. Aguessartist 13 May 2014