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Autosurfing was created by the Dutch - autohits.dk being the very first ever autosurf. Autosurfing was created to generate traffic first and foremost. The MLMers got a hold of it about 3 years ago and started the Ponzi scheme investment opprotunity. This article is off-base and whoever wrote it did not do their homework.
Autosurfs are not ponzi scams, and I was surprised that there was no mention of them being so. This article was not factual and promoted illegal programs, so I edited it to be truthful.
Not all autosurfs are ponzis. Investment autosurfs, in which the article refers to, definitely are though. The fact that this article does not even reference the fact that they are ponzis and illegal in the U.S. is misleading and I will be editing it soon. I also noticed you are an autosurf member and include your referral link on your page, so you are clearly going to try and edit the page as well. Please leave it this way to reflect truth. Devero
I agree that the edits done by Devero is incredibly biased. I personally think that the earlier article has already explained both pros and cons about autosurf and I was surprised that Devero claimed the article 'never mention about them being ponzi scams', when in fact it did - Anon
Check the revision history; there used to be mention of this being a ponzi scam. But people pushing this scam on message boards are editing this article to make it look like Wikipedia is backing up their claims! Just do a quick google of autosurf mentions on message boards and you will see what I mean. This article needs to be brought under control. - Eric
It's amazing to me how people don't take a few minutes to get the facts. I see references to "ponzi scheme" all over the place. So, what makes a program a ponzi scheme? This guy Ponzi back in the 1920's got certain people to "invest" in his money venture promising a 50% return on your investment in 45 days. He simply paid existing investors with new investors money. That is a ponzi scheme.
I'm a member of several autosurfs. Read their "terms of agreement" which clearly states that this is NOT an investment nor a deposit. It's a non-refundable membership fee. And, their is no guarantee of earning any money. It's a membership based program. Not an investment, no promise of any returns. - Herb
This article is:
Marking as such. -- Anon.
My complaint would be the usage of the word "newbie". - Chocobean
The article is very unprofessionally written, and seems to violate the neutral POV policy. (ex: Only invest what you can afford to lose- maybe in something legal, NOT this). Marking as such. -- K
I think it's crap that you take down some links, but leave links to a completely biased website that collects for advertising. It sucks that those in power are limiting free speech.
Ponzi Nemesis spams in forums warning that 12daily Pro is just about to collapse. Here's one such example dated September 20 of 2005: http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=5689
In that same forum, he posted another warning that a crash is imminent, this one dated October 29 of 2005: http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=6786&page=1&pp=40 Dionyseus 16:07, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the spam warning - there are only two external links in the article, and neither is pro-autosurf. (I'm sure that anyone interested in pro-autosurf - or autosurf program - links can find them by simply googling "autosurf".) I realize that there is a temptation to add links promoting specific autosurf programs, but I'd like to try removing the tag and seeing if the article remains relative spam-free, or spam is quickly removed. If not, then the warning should be re-inserted. John Broughton 05:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Some payment processors use Multi Level Marketing to pay out fees. If a program has only 1 level in which they payout commissions, it's probably sustainable. If a program has a written interpreneur plan, and sticks to its $%#^ plan and income is guaranteed because of real earnings instead of only people who "pay in to be a member" it's NOT a ponzi, NOT a pyramid and it's a legitimate business if it keeps all applicable laws.
signed : Anonymous.
All autosurfs are against paypal's terms of service, including those which are not "investments"/ponzis and are legal by most definitions (that is, the traffic exchanges). Several manual surfs have had their paypal account closed/frozen, which is an error on paypal's part because they misunderstand the business model... although some have had their paypal reopened after many calls with paypal support and explaining to them what the site actually does. OTOH, it is paypals right to deny any types of business even if they are legal. What's the best way of putting this in the article? Could also go into PayPal (verifiable.. will forum links do?) 218.103.137.41 15:16, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Do we have any evidence of any autosurfs which are NOT pyramid schemes? I have changed the first line of the article to simply define autosurfs as a type of pyramid scheme, although the intro section should probably be entirely written to take this into consideration. Unless evidence of legit autosurfs can be found. It is easy enough to find sources which say autosurfs are pyramid schemes, see http://www.10news.com/news/13422465/detail.html for example. -- Xyzzyplugh 18:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Why do we have the disambiguation "Not to be confused with Astroturf" here? It seems like a joke. Who would really get here by accident looking for Astroturf? -- Theodore Kloba ( talk) 15:11, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
...I may not get the concept of the whole "traffic exchange" systems... but isn't autosurf itself a fraud on pay-per-view advertising systems (even if unprovable)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.27.210.55 ( talk) 15:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
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Autosurfing was created by the Dutch - autohits.dk being the very first ever autosurf. Autosurfing was created to generate traffic first and foremost. The MLMers got a hold of it about 3 years ago and started the Ponzi scheme investment opprotunity. This article is off-base and whoever wrote it did not do their homework.
Autosurfs are not ponzi scams, and I was surprised that there was no mention of them being so. This article was not factual and promoted illegal programs, so I edited it to be truthful.
Not all autosurfs are ponzis. Investment autosurfs, in which the article refers to, definitely are though. The fact that this article does not even reference the fact that they are ponzis and illegal in the U.S. is misleading and I will be editing it soon. I also noticed you are an autosurf member and include your referral link on your page, so you are clearly going to try and edit the page as well. Please leave it this way to reflect truth. Devero
I agree that the edits done by Devero is incredibly biased. I personally think that the earlier article has already explained both pros and cons about autosurf and I was surprised that Devero claimed the article 'never mention about them being ponzi scams', when in fact it did - Anon
Check the revision history; there used to be mention of this being a ponzi scam. But people pushing this scam on message boards are editing this article to make it look like Wikipedia is backing up their claims! Just do a quick google of autosurf mentions on message boards and you will see what I mean. This article needs to be brought under control. - Eric
It's amazing to me how people don't take a few minutes to get the facts. I see references to "ponzi scheme" all over the place. So, what makes a program a ponzi scheme? This guy Ponzi back in the 1920's got certain people to "invest" in his money venture promising a 50% return on your investment in 45 days. He simply paid existing investors with new investors money. That is a ponzi scheme.
I'm a member of several autosurfs. Read their "terms of agreement" which clearly states that this is NOT an investment nor a deposit. It's a non-refundable membership fee. And, their is no guarantee of earning any money. It's a membership based program. Not an investment, no promise of any returns. - Herb
This article is:
Marking as such. -- Anon.
My complaint would be the usage of the word "newbie". - Chocobean
The article is very unprofessionally written, and seems to violate the neutral POV policy. (ex: Only invest what you can afford to lose- maybe in something legal, NOT this). Marking as such. -- K
I think it's crap that you take down some links, but leave links to a completely biased website that collects for advertising. It sucks that those in power are limiting free speech.
Ponzi Nemesis spams in forums warning that 12daily Pro is just about to collapse. Here's one such example dated September 20 of 2005: http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=5689
In that same forum, he posted another warning that a crash is imminent, this one dated October 29 of 2005: http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=6786&page=1&pp=40 Dionyseus 16:07, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the spam warning - there are only two external links in the article, and neither is pro-autosurf. (I'm sure that anyone interested in pro-autosurf - or autosurf program - links can find them by simply googling "autosurf".) I realize that there is a temptation to add links promoting specific autosurf programs, but I'd like to try removing the tag and seeing if the article remains relative spam-free, or spam is quickly removed. If not, then the warning should be re-inserted. John Broughton 05:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Some payment processors use Multi Level Marketing to pay out fees. If a program has only 1 level in which they payout commissions, it's probably sustainable. If a program has a written interpreneur plan, and sticks to its $%#^ plan and income is guaranteed because of real earnings instead of only people who "pay in to be a member" it's NOT a ponzi, NOT a pyramid and it's a legitimate business if it keeps all applicable laws.
signed : Anonymous.
All autosurfs are against paypal's terms of service, including those which are not "investments"/ponzis and are legal by most definitions (that is, the traffic exchanges). Several manual surfs have had their paypal account closed/frozen, which is an error on paypal's part because they misunderstand the business model... although some have had their paypal reopened after many calls with paypal support and explaining to them what the site actually does. OTOH, it is paypals right to deny any types of business even if they are legal. What's the best way of putting this in the article? Could also go into PayPal (verifiable.. will forum links do?) 218.103.137.41 15:16, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Do we have any evidence of any autosurfs which are NOT pyramid schemes? I have changed the first line of the article to simply define autosurfs as a type of pyramid scheme, although the intro section should probably be entirely written to take this into consideration. Unless evidence of legit autosurfs can be found. It is easy enough to find sources which say autosurfs are pyramid schemes, see http://www.10news.com/news/13422465/detail.html for example. -- Xyzzyplugh 18:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Why do we have the disambiguation "Not to be confused with Astroturf" here? It seems like a joke. Who would really get here by accident looking for Astroturf? -- Theodore Kloba ( talk) 15:11, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
...I may not get the concept of the whole "traffic exchange" systems... but isn't autosurf itself a fraud on pay-per-view advertising systems (even if unprovable)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.27.210.55 ( talk) 15:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC)