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Shouldn't some variation of this bit from Ashlee Simpson -- preferably condensed -- be included under "Promotion and Marketing" section?:
Ashlee Simpson's marketing campaign has been accused of astroturfing on various websites. A post on Metafilter claims that the marketing company posted under the user name "mandyc19" with the text I just read about Ashlee in us weekly. Those guys at the football game were total jerks. She said she wishes the critics will pick on someone else and i agree. Do you think MTV is gonna play the boo on her show? It's on after Newlyweds again right? I hope they let her tell her side! Mandy This exact text was posted on over three hundred different music-related forums [1].
No. The only article for which that would be an appropriately detailed level of content would be a subarticle on publicity and promotion, but that failed VfD. There's no way a few message board posts deserve inclusion when people have been deleting information about the vastly more notable NYT and Village Voice critical appraisals. Everyking 11:49, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Yes. This is another important scandal in a career that has been defined primarily in terms of public scandals. 68.118.61.219 13:04, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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Okay, I just move a bunch to Talk:Autobiography (album)/Archive6. -- Calton 02:52, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Continuing where Everyking and I left off, I would only support the reinclusion of the charting data in full iff if a substantial portion of it was used in the article and not just haphazardly thrown in. For example, "Although Autobiography fell off the top 10 in week X, a month later it rebounded to Nth in the charts." And that has to be done with a substantial portion of the data; if you're going to extrapolate the album's popularity from the charting statistics as a whole, that can be done much more easily by giving its peak position, how long it stayed there, and the full length of the album's chart run. The inclusion of the data has to be justified. Otherwise it would be like throwing in a picture without a caption. Johnleemk | Talk 06:58, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I'd go for having the week by week table because it's more comprehensive than just a table having the peak values. CHALK
The sales figures are screwed up. The album went triple platinum (3 million copies) by Sept 2004, but only 2.5 million by the end of the year??? Smackfu
I've trimmed the "reviews" paragraph down to the four reviews I think contribute the most to the article. Are any of the ones I removed are more significant than the ones I left? -- Carnildo 06:32, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
A scratchpad version of the article now exists at Autobiography (Ashlee Simpson album)/Temp. Radical editing is encouraged so that we can reach effective compromises there without futile revert wars here; hopefully this will be useful in addressing previous FAC objections. Everyking 07:03, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I'm tired of not being able to make changes to this article. Everything I do is either deleted or minimized, and I have no means to pressure anybody into editing collaboratively because I can't revert. Others can and do revert me, but I can't do the same, so effectively I have no influence over the article's content even though I wrote nearly all of it. It's really kind of disgusting. If one side can't revert, neither should the other—the fact that the ruling applies to me alone effectively made it arbitration over content. Therefore I ask those who are still reverting, and Carnildo in particular, to pledge not to revert anymore and opt for discussion instead. Everyking 09:14, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I had an idea based on something I saw in another article: what if I created a subarticle, List of Ashlee Simpson television appearances (or something like that), and just made it a straight, simple, unwikified list of her television appearances? I think this strikes a healthy balance between providing the reader with information and at the same time steering clear of unnecessary trivia. Everyking 16:34, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
This scratchpad shouldn't be in the article namespace, it should probably have gone in Talk:Autobiography (Ashlee Simpson album)/Temp. However, it's been sitting there for a month now without any edits at all being done, perhaps it should just be deleted instead. Is anyone still planning to do anything with it? Bryan 07:41, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The currently commented out credits for Harder Everyday (which I tentatively added before, but wasn't 100% sure of) are correct. Go ahead and make it display in the text. Everyking 23:22, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Currently we have this chart in the article. It goes up to 30 weeks, which I think is a nice cut-off point. The problem with it, though, is that while it gives a good general impression of rising and falling trends, it's very difficult to read it for the specific numbers. Previously, we had a table in the article which gave the specific numbers, and I'd like to restore it. (Conceivably we could have that and the chart? Might be overkill) I'll note that in the months that have passed since the debate over this other comprehensive album articles have begun adopting tables like the one we used to have here. To me, this helps set a precedent that should make deciding this issue easier. Everyking 08:49, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
and may have caused "La La", promotion for which began in the U.S. in November 2004, to have fared more poorly on the charts than it otherwise would have
in reference to the orange bowl/snl incidents..... Ryan Norton T | @ | C 05:48, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
heh heh :). Well, the problem is that it wasn't sourced... if we could source it that would be awesome, because it makes that sentence read better too Ryan Norton T | @ | C 07:04, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
If you could help on the these that would be great, as I got the rest already.... Ryan Norton T | @ | C 07:58, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
I'll be damned, that People link doesn't work anymore...well, don't worry, it's got to be in there somewhere, I'll find it. Everyking 08:35, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Wow, that's great! And yeah I changed the template to note the date of the people magazine issue, and noted the full title of the LA Times article (no date). I tracked down the link for the geffen AOL press release too. Thanks! Looks like we can finish this up now :) Ryan Norton T | @ | C 09:11, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
In the U.S., Autobiography was 2004's biggest debut by a female artist - is this true? I read somewhere that Norah Jones' Feels Like Home sold over one million copies in its first week of U.S. release. Extraordinary Machine 21:24, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
The article says:
Geffen President Jordan Schur said of Ashlee's success: "It's unheard of in this business—even for a superstar—to sell this number of records,"
This needs to be deleted or commented upon, because it makes Simpson's management out to look like either morons or blatant liars. There have been at least 157 albums selling more than 8 million copies in the U.S. Has Jordan Schur really never heard of any of those? Tomasboij 17:46, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Her song "Autobiography" sounds like a song by a german band called Juli - Es_ist_Juli - The song is called Tränenschwer. The song was written by Kara DioGuardi and sold to both partys. See Here
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.54.202.102 ( talk) 17:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. I would have liked to see critical reception in its own section though, rather than wrapped up in "Background" under "Production". Also, there's a "citation needed" tag in the "Singles, publicity, and controversy" section, and a few paragraphs of unsourced material towards the end there. This is the natural accretion of cruft that will always occur in articles like this; it seems legitimate enough, but some sourcing and maybe a restructuring would be good. Lampman ( talk) 03:58, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
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Shouldn't some variation of this bit from Ashlee Simpson -- preferably condensed -- be included under "Promotion and Marketing" section?:
Ashlee Simpson's marketing campaign has been accused of astroturfing on various websites. A post on Metafilter claims that the marketing company posted under the user name "mandyc19" with the text I just read about Ashlee in us weekly. Those guys at the football game were total jerks. She said she wishes the critics will pick on someone else and i agree. Do you think MTV is gonna play the boo on her show? It's on after Newlyweds again right? I hope they let her tell her side! Mandy This exact text was posted on over three hundred different music-related forums [1].
No. The only article for which that would be an appropriately detailed level of content would be a subarticle on publicity and promotion, but that failed VfD. There's no way a few message board posts deserve inclusion when people have been deleting information about the vastly more notable NYT and Village Voice critical appraisals. Everyking 11:49, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Yes. This is another important scandal in a career that has been defined primarily in terms of public scandals. 68.118.61.219 13:04, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Say, I'm getting the message,
WARNING: This page is 119 kilobytes long. Please consider condensing the page and moving the detail to another article so it is not approaching or in excess of 32KB.
Archive time? -- Calton 13:08, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Okay, I just move a bunch to Talk:Autobiography (album)/Archive6. -- Calton 02:52, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Continuing where Everyking and I left off, I would only support the reinclusion of the charting data in full iff if a substantial portion of it was used in the article and not just haphazardly thrown in. For example, "Although Autobiography fell off the top 10 in week X, a month later it rebounded to Nth in the charts." And that has to be done with a substantial portion of the data; if you're going to extrapolate the album's popularity from the charting statistics as a whole, that can be done much more easily by giving its peak position, how long it stayed there, and the full length of the album's chart run. The inclusion of the data has to be justified. Otherwise it would be like throwing in a picture without a caption. Johnleemk | Talk 06:58, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I'd go for having the week by week table because it's more comprehensive than just a table having the peak values. CHALK
The sales figures are screwed up. The album went triple platinum (3 million copies) by Sept 2004, but only 2.5 million by the end of the year??? Smackfu
I've trimmed the "reviews" paragraph down to the four reviews I think contribute the most to the article. Are any of the ones I removed are more significant than the ones I left? -- Carnildo 06:32, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
A scratchpad version of the article now exists at Autobiography (Ashlee Simpson album)/Temp. Radical editing is encouraged so that we can reach effective compromises there without futile revert wars here; hopefully this will be useful in addressing previous FAC objections. Everyking 07:03, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I'm tired of not being able to make changes to this article. Everything I do is either deleted or minimized, and I have no means to pressure anybody into editing collaboratively because I can't revert. Others can and do revert me, but I can't do the same, so effectively I have no influence over the article's content even though I wrote nearly all of it. It's really kind of disgusting. If one side can't revert, neither should the other—the fact that the ruling applies to me alone effectively made it arbitration over content. Therefore I ask those who are still reverting, and Carnildo in particular, to pledge not to revert anymore and opt for discussion instead. Everyking 09:14, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I had an idea based on something I saw in another article: what if I created a subarticle, List of Ashlee Simpson television appearances (or something like that), and just made it a straight, simple, unwikified list of her television appearances? I think this strikes a healthy balance between providing the reader with information and at the same time steering clear of unnecessary trivia. Everyking 16:34, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
This scratchpad shouldn't be in the article namespace, it should probably have gone in Talk:Autobiography (Ashlee Simpson album)/Temp. However, it's been sitting there for a month now without any edits at all being done, perhaps it should just be deleted instead. Is anyone still planning to do anything with it? Bryan 07:41, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The currently commented out credits for Harder Everyday (which I tentatively added before, but wasn't 100% sure of) are correct. Go ahead and make it display in the text. Everyking 23:22, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Currently we have this chart in the article. It goes up to 30 weeks, which I think is a nice cut-off point. The problem with it, though, is that while it gives a good general impression of rising and falling trends, it's very difficult to read it for the specific numbers. Previously, we had a table in the article which gave the specific numbers, and I'd like to restore it. (Conceivably we could have that and the chart? Might be overkill) I'll note that in the months that have passed since the debate over this other comprehensive album articles have begun adopting tables like the one we used to have here. To me, this helps set a precedent that should make deciding this issue easier. Everyking 08:49, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
and may have caused "La La", promotion for which began in the U.S. in November 2004, to have fared more poorly on the charts than it otherwise would have
in reference to the orange bowl/snl incidents..... Ryan Norton T | @ | C 05:48, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
heh heh :). Well, the problem is that it wasn't sourced... if we could source it that would be awesome, because it makes that sentence read better too Ryan Norton T | @ | C 07:04, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
If you could help on the these that would be great, as I got the rest already.... Ryan Norton T | @ | C 07:58, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
I'll be damned, that People link doesn't work anymore...well, don't worry, it's got to be in there somewhere, I'll find it. Everyking 08:35, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Wow, that's great! And yeah I changed the template to note the date of the people magazine issue, and noted the full title of the LA Times article (no date). I tracked down the link for the geffen AOL press release too. Thanks! Looks like we can finish this up now :) Ryan Norton T | @ | C 09:11, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
In the U.S., Autobiography was 2004's biggest debut by a female artist - is this true? I read somewhere that Norah Jones' Feels Like Home sold over one million copies in its first week of U.S. release. Extraordinary Machine 21:24, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
The article says:
Geffen President Jordan Schur said of Ashlee's success: "It's unheard of in this business—even for a superstar—to sell this number of records,"
This needs to be deleted or commented upon, because it makes Simpson's management out to look like either morons or blatant liars. There have been at least 157 albums selling more than 8 million copies in the U.S. Has Jordan Schur really never heard of any of those? Tomasboij 17:46, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Her song "Autobiography" sounds like a song by a german band called Juli - Es_ist_Juli - The song is called Tränenschwer. The song was written by Kara DioGuardi and sold to both partys. See Here
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.54.202.102 ( talk) 17:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. I would have liked to see critical reception in its own section though, rather than wrapped up in "Background" under "Production". Also, there's a "citation needed" tag in the "Singles, publicity, and controversy" section, and a few paragraphs of unsourced material towards the end there. This is the natural accretion of cruft that will always occur in articles like this; it seems legitimate enough, but some sourcing and maybe a restructuring would be good. Lampman ( talk) 03:58, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
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