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this is not a notable subject matter come on now —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.10.105.239 ( talk • contribs) 20:09, 31 May 2007
I believe something should be written about the history of autistic culture, although I am not knowledgable about its history, so it will need to be written by someone with more knowledge than I have. Q0 07:26, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I had to model after the Deaf culture article to write the "Is Autistic Culture a Real Culture" section. I hope this was ok. Q0 17:51, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
The first guy is right, this article is pretty much a joke. A passing glance reveals that the article is self-serving and masturbatory. This article appeals to a very small group of people and the information contained within it is trivial, it should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.15.51.214 ( talk • contribs) 11:46, 18 July 2007
I disagree with those who say that the topic is not notable. However, I believe it would be more appropriate to merge this article into autistic community and/or sociological and cultural aspects of autism rather than to delete. Q0 08:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
A quote from the article: "Unlike the Deaf culture, which recognizes and accepts many people who are hearing, the Autistic culture generally shuns neurotypical people (NTs), and the sentiment among the Autism rights movement generally considers people who have self-diagnosed to be part of a fad which considers Autism/Asperger's as a mere personality type."
That contains two separate assertions that are at odds with what I've seen of autistic culture, and one that is somewhat at odds with what I've seen of Deaf culture. There are no citations backing these things up, either.
Basically, there are segments of the Deaf community that do shun "hearies". And large segments that consider some hearies (especially hearing children of Deaf parents, and interpreters) part of Deaf culture. (I don't have a cite for that but I'm sure this could be found somewhere.) So there's a fair amount of diversity of opinion about hearing people among Deaf people, and while the statement as general is probably true, it shouldn't be used in contrast to autistic culture.
Because the segments of autistic culture that reject NTs are, like in the Deaf community, only small segments, with most of us not bearing any malice, hatred, rejection, etc towards NTs. Many people in the autistic community have had to go to great lengths to show that we do not in fact hate NTs. The following article: http://web.syr.edu/~jisincla/History_of_ANI.html is a history of one autistic community that was fairly formative for modern autistic culture, and they're explicit about not hating or shunning NTs. I'm sure if you look around you can find other citations that are equally explicit.
The second part of the statement that causes trouble, is that the sentiment among the autism rights movement generally considers people who have self-diagnosed to be part of a fad... etc. You'd again need to cite sources for that, and if you looked for sources, you'd find that there's a great diversity of opinion about self-diagnosis. One autistic man who does not as far as I know consider himself part of the autism rights movement urged conference organizers to verify an official diagnosis for all autistic people speaking at their conferences, and many people within the autistic community responded to this by refusing to show our official diagnosis as a display of solidarity with people who could not obtain one but were equally autistic. Many people in the autism rights movement signed that letter (in fact, more than are on there right now because I've been too busy to update the signatures): http://www.autistics.org/library/whoisautistic.html
So you'd have to find cites to back those statements up, and I suspect if you looked around, you'd find more cites (like the two I provided) refuting those statements.
Silentmiaow 15:14, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I think the external links section is way too large. When the Aspergian Pride's list was separate from the external links section I thought that was ok because then people would still have a shorter list that is easier to go through. But now with the two links sections there is only one hard to sort through list. I think either the links needs to be divided back into separate "external links" and "aspergian pride links" sections like it was before, or the external links list needs to be cut shorter, or the external links section needs to be divided into subsections to make it easier to sort though. Q0 08:57, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
At the moment we've got a bare statement that some people dispute the existence of the autistic culture, but no explanation of these views. That section is in dire need of expansion. Are there any statements of that viewpoint that could be referred to? 195.224.75.71 16:39, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
A protest about the instant deletion of the word aspiette:
Oy RN, you do realise that the word aspiette is a real word, it is part of autistic culture, and you have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to undo my actions as you just did right now! This is supposed to be a world of free speech, and yet you just took away my right to put this word here! Geez mate!
(cur) (last) 08:09, 8 October 2005 RN (rv - aspiette was taken out by even Joe, so its obviously not used enough to be in the terms here....)
That is a VERY bad call - and if this goes away, I will contact the admin here! Kitkatsavvy
As the inventor of the word aspiette, I am very sad to see it being redirected to the "Autistic culture" section. Now RN, I don't care how much of a bigwig you THINK you are, this word does get used to call a female aspie an aspiette! Now why don't you GIVE me the right to have my word as it's own listing - just like it is right here - http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/aspiette . Now would you please give me a separate page for the word aspiette again or I will report you!
209.129.49.65 03:21, 9 March 2006 (UTC) Prometheuspan 03:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC) I have Aspergers, and I am familiar with the issues. In this case, Neurotypical defies the conventions of neologism because it is a neccessary glossary word to even have a legit discussion. Aspiette is a pronoun affecation, and Aspie allready applies to both males and females. I think actually that you really accidentally ended the case when you called yourself the words originator. That means it is def a Neologism. Don't get me wrong, I am a pro Neologisim person, but the limits of writing >>textbooks<< aren't the fault of the Wikibookians or Wikimedia, they are the conventions the public has come to expect, and if we don't conform to those conventions, what we end up with is a whole lot of people that won't respect us. The truth be told, You have been given enormous berth, allready this is pushing the limit of the difference between a Encyclopedia and A collection of group memoirs. I'd like to see you continue, and I am fascinated and amused to find so many aspies here. Please quit beating the WikiPedianss about the ears for doing their jobs. As an interesting aside, there are fun ways to cheat. For instance, you could write a paragraph on Aspie culture, and include a bit about words and neologisms of that culture. In that context, you become simply a reporter of undisputable facts. 209.129.49.65 03:21, 9 March 2006 (UTC) Prometheuspan 03:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that someone merged autistic community and autistic culture without a discussion on the talk page. It is not appropriate to merge without discussion. First, there needs to be a proposal on the talk page, and people need a chance to state objections. Q0 18:44, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
To avoid duplication, please discuss the proposed merge in Talk:Autistic community#Merge. 195.224.75.71 09:49, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Can Autie and Aspie be used as insults like "You nigger loving Aspie/autie."?
I think not living in a metropolitan area is one part of the culture.
What about the hard sci fi novel "Distress" by Greg Egan? It has an explicitly aspie activist character, a main character who I think is aspie too, and an aspie narrative voice. There has been speculation about the author in an article about AS on Locus online, and a well-known technology pioneer who is though to be autistic has cited Egan as a favourite author.
What about all of those well-known autie and aspie autobiographies? THese are the most prominent form of literature about autistics.
I've moved this into the talk page, because frankly it looks like the person who added this was trying to start a discussion, which is not what Wikipedia articles are for.
Not everyone agrees on what a culture is, or what should be its defining characteristics. However, most cultural anthropologists as of 2006 define a culture as follows: (1) Culture is based on symbols, abstract ways of referring to and understanding ideas, objects, feelings, or behaviors -— and the ability to communicate with symbols using language. (2) Culture is shared. People in the same society share common behaviors and ways of thinking through culture. (3) Culture is learned. While people biologically inherit many physical traits and behavioral instincts, culture is socially inherited. A person must learn culture from other people in a society. (4) Culture is adaptive. People use culture to flexibly and quickly adjust to changes in the world around them. (Source: Encarta article on culture)
Some argue that autistics are perhaps in the beginning stages of forming a real culture. Many features of what are commonly called cultures are visible in the autistic culture. There are shared beliefs, organisations, language, and art that are specific to the group, and there is a tendency to marry within the group. Autistic culture can be learned via the growing number of books and websites, and through gatherings such as Autreat. An ability to rely on other autistics for emotional reinforcement or pragmatic support may allow autistics to adjust more easily to the world-at-large. Jim Sinclair's history of Autism Network International includes an explanation of autistic culture.
Nevertheless, there are some who dispute the existence of an autistic culture. More discussion of this issue is required.
Robrecht 16:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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this is not a notable subject matter come on now —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.10.105.239 ( talk • contribs) 20:09, 31 May 2007
I believe something should be written about the history of autistic culture, although I am not knowledgable about its history, so it will need to be written by someone with more knowledge than I have. Q0 07:26, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I had to model after the Deaf culture article to write the "Is Autistic Culture a Real Culture" section. I hope this was ok. Q0 17:51, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
The first guy is right, this article is pretty much a joke. A passing glance reveals that the article is self-serving and masturbatory. This article appeals to a very small group of people and the information contained within it is trivial, it should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.15.51.214 ( talk • contribs) 11:46, 18 July 2007
I disagree with those who say that the topic is not notable. However, I believe it would be more appropriate to merge this article into autistic community and/or sociological and cultural aspects of autism rather than to delete. Q0 08:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
A quote from the article: "Unlike the Deaf culture, which recognizes and accepts many people who are hearing, the Autistic culture generally shuns neurotypical people (NTs), and the sentiment among the Autism rights movement generally considers people who have self-diagnosed to be part of a fad which considers Autism/Asperger's as a mere personality type."
That contains two separate assertions that are at odds with what I've seen of autistic culture, and one that is somewhat at odds with what I've seen of Deaf culture. There are no citations backing these things up, either.
Basically, there are segments of the Deaf community that do shun "hearies". And large segments that consider some hearies (especially hearing children of Deaf parents, and interpreters) part of Deaf culture. (I don't have a cite for that but I'm sure this could be found somewhere.) So there's a fair amount of diversity of opinion about hearing people among Deaf people, and while the statement as general is probably true, it shouldn't be used in contrast to autistic culture.
Because the segments of autistic culture that reject NTs are, like in the Deaf community, only small segments, with most of us not bearing any malice, hatred, rejection, etc towards NTs. Many people in the autistic community have had to go to great lengths to show that we do not in fact hate NTs. The following article: http://web.syr.edu/~jisincla/History_of_ANI.html is a history of one autistic community that was fairly formative for modern autistic culture, and they're explicit about not hating or shunning NTs. I'm sure if you look around you can find other citations that are equally explicit.
The second part of the statement that causes trouble, is that the sentiment among the autism rights movement generally considers people who have self-diagnosed to be part of a fad... etc. You'd again need to cite sources for that, and if you looked for sources, you'd find that there's a great diversity of opinion about self-diagnosis. One autistic man who does not as far as I know consider himself part of the autism rights movement urged conference organizers to verify an official diagnosis for all autistic people speaking at their conferences, and many people within the autistic community responded to this by refusing to show our official diagnosis as a display of solidarity with people who could not obtain one but were equally autistic. Many people in the autism rights movement signed that letter (in fact, more than are on there right now because I've been too busy to update the signatures): http://www.autistics.org/library/whoisautistic.html
So you'd have to find cites to back those statements up, and I suspect if you looked around, you'd find more cites (like the two I provided) refuting those statements.
Silentmiaow 15:14, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I think the external links section is way too large. When the Aspergian Pride's list was separate from the external links section I thought that was ok because then people would still have a shorter list that is easier to go through. But now with the two links sections there is only one hard to sort through list. I think either the links needs to be divided back into separate "external links" and "aspergian pride links" sections like it was before, or the external links list needs to be cut shorter, or the external links section needs to be divided into subsections to make it easier to sort though. Q0 08:57, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
At the moment we've got a bare statement that some people dispute the existence of the autistic culture, but no explanation of these views. That section is in dire need of expansion. Are there any statements of that viewpoint that could be referred to? 195.224.75.71 16:39, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
A protest about the instant deletion of the word aspiette:
Oy RN, you do realise that the word aspiette is a real word, it is part of autistic culture, and you have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to undo my actions as you just did right now! This is supposed to be a world of free speech, and yet you just took away my right to put this word here! Geez mate!
(cur) (last) 08:09, 8 October 2005 RN (rv - aspiette was taken out by even Joe, so its obviously not used enough to be in the terms here....)
That is a VERY bad call - and if this goes away, I will contact the admin here! Kitkatsavvy
As the inventor of the word aspiette, I am very sad to see it being redirected to the "Autistic culture" section. Now RN, I don't care how much of a bigwig you THINK you are, this word does get used to call a female aspie an aspiette! Now why don't you GIVE me the right to have my word as it's own listing - just like it is right here - http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/aspiette . Now would you please give me a separate page for the word aspiette again or I will report you!
209.129.49.65 03:21, 9 March 2006 (UTC) Prometheuspan 03:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC) I have Aspergers, and I am familiar with the issues. In this case, Neurotypical defies the conventions of neologism because it is a neccessary glossary word to even have a legit discussion. Aspiette is a pronoun affecation, and Aspie allready applies to both males and females. I think actually that you really accidentally ended the case when you called yourself the words originator. That means it is def a Neologism. Don't get me wrong, I am a pro Neologisim person, but the limits of writing >>textbooks<< aren't the fault of the Wikibookians or Wikimedia, they are the conventions the public has come to expect, and if we don't conform to those conventions, what we end up with is a whole lot of people that won't respect us. The truth be told, You have been given enormous berth, allready this is pushing the limit of the difference between a Encyclopedia and A collection of group memoirs. I'd like to see you continue, and I am fascinated and amused to find so many aspies here. Please quit beating the WikiPedianss about the ears for doing their jobs. As an interesting aside, there are fun ways to cheat. For instance, you could write a paragraph on Aspie culture, and include a bit about words and neologisms of that culture. In that context, you become simply a reporter of undisputable facts. 209.129.49.65 03:21, 9 March 2006 (UTC) Prometheuspan 03:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that someone merged autistic community and autistic culture without a discussion on the talk page. It is not appropriate to merge without discussion. First, there needs to be a proposal on the talk page, and people need a chance to state objections. Q0 18:44, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
To avoid duplication, please discuss the proposed merge in Talk:Autistic community#Merge. 195.224.75.71 09:49, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Can Autie and Aspie be used as insults like "You nigger loving Aspie/autie."?
I think not living in a metropolitan area is one part of the culture.
What about the hard sci fi novel "Distress" by Greg Egan? It has an explicitly aspie activist character, a main character who I think is aspie too, and an aspie narrative voice. There has been speculation about the author in an article about AS on Locus online, and a well-known technology pioneer who is though to be autistic has cited Egan as a favourite author.
What about all of those well-known autie and aspie autobiographies? THese are the most prominent form of literature about autistics.
I've moved this into the talk page, because frankly it looks like the person who added this was trying to start a discussion, which is not what Wikipedia articles are for.
Not everyone agrees on what a culture is, or what should be its defining characteristics. However, most cultural anthropologists as of 2006 define a culture as follows: (1) Culture is based on symbols, abstract ways of referring to and understanding ideas, objects, feelings, or behaviors -— and the ability to communicate with symbols using language. (2) Culture is shared. People in the same society share common behaviors and ways of thinking through culture. (3) Culture is learned. While people biologically inherit many physical traits and behavioral instincts, culture is socially inherited. A person must learn culture from other people in a society. (4) Culture is adaptive. People use culture to flexibly and quickly adjust to changes in the world around them. (Source: Encarta article on culture)
Some argue that autistics are perhaps in the beginning stages of forming a real culture. Many features of what are commonly called cultures are visible in the autistic culture. There are shared beliefs, organisations, language, and art that are specific to the group, and there is a tendency to marry within the group. Autistic culture can be learned via the growing number of books and websites, and through gatherings such as Autreat. An ability to rely on other autistics for emotional reinforcement or pragmatic support may allow autistics to adjust more easily to the world-at-large. Jim Sinclair's history of Autism Network International includes an explanation of autistic culture.
Nevertheless, there are some who dispute the existence of an autistic culture. More discussion of this issue is required.
Robrecht 16:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The Culture of Autism Focus on autistic art