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I understand. I'll do the citations as you request. Thank you.
Reading all that stuff yesterday ... ASD is essentially caused by lifestyle and the environment. Specifically, a stressed out women having a baby late in life, the latter probably because her body is more doped up with pollutants. And the environment includes exposure to pollution (not just air Doc). Pollution includes exposure (human absorption or ingestion) of heavy metals, organophosphates, and particulates. Generally, in cities, particulate exposure means byproducts on combustion (diesel exhaust is high on my personal list) and industrial process. Around agriculture production, you find exposure to pesticides and herbicides that contain heavy metals and organophosphates. Finally, I read oxidation and inflammation, suggesting the role of inadequate antioxidant intake (note for below, sulforaphane is a strong antioxidant).
How does all that get inside the body? Obviously breathing. Elsewhere, reviews find that human exposures to pollution is primarily a function of eating high on the food chain. I'm sure the vegan police in Wiki will prevent us from mentioning animal products. High on my personal to avoid list is farmed fish and chicken. Especially for pregnant women.
Anyway, gene variability among humans leaves some more vulnerable to ASD related gene expressions cause by those pollutants. Wiki makes it sound like it's mostly inherited genes, not gene expressions! The pollutants can also (in a subgroup) contribute to an "allergy" in the brain effecting Mast cells.
So finally, here's the question please. Last Oct, primary research strongly suggests sulforaphane can can reduce patient symptoms (dramatically in the slight majority).[ [1]] The study ended at 18 weeks, though the kids were still trend improving). It's a gold standard study. Note, I do not promote supplements, rather the eating of raw broccoli (by far, chewed broccoli is the best natural source of sulforaphane). I'm here to help people, and I've other projects to attend, so if I can't include any of that study...none of this is worth it to me. Will you guys allow the inclusion of any of that study?
Note, most of the improved kids experienced a fever, which I read is commonly coincident with improved functionality (with almost all autistic kids, after a fever they improve temporarily). From that study they say, "fever can dramatically but temporarily ameliorate the disturbed behavior of many autistic patients". Primary research again, but fever is also associated with clonal antibody reset, which can be a marker for dramatically reduced allergy symptoms. Back to stuff I'd like to include, you'll find the authors speculate several other mechanisms (why they chose to test sulforaphane). Finally, sulforaphane (primary again) is utilized by the liver to aid in the remove pollutants. (Shapiro TA, Fahey JW, Wade KL, Stephenson KK, Talalay P. Chemoprotective glucosinolates and isothiocyanates of broccoli sprouts: metabolism and excretion in humans. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2001 May;10(5):501-8.)(Nestle M. Broccoli sprouts as inducers of carcinogen-detoxifying enzyme systems: clinical, dietary, and policy implications. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 1997 Oct 14;94(21):11149-51.). 32cllou ( talk) 18:29, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Published in 2014, but sample at age 8 taken in 2010; thus understates if rate has continued to rise. Also think it's important to note the higher rate in white boys. 32cllou ( talk) 06:27, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
I propose that after the text: "The signs usually develop gradually, but some autistic children develop more normally at first and then regress." the following text should be added: "Recent research indicates that some of these cases of regression could be caused by malfunction or the down regulation of dipeptidyl peptidase DPP4 enzyme that is in charge of breaking down gliadorphins and casomorphin peptides (gluten and casein peptides) into amino acids for absorption, which ultimately causes leakage of unhydrolized peptides to the blood stream and hence, to the brain. These peptides are morphine agonists (so called “opioid peptides” or exorphins) and are believed to interact with opioid receptors and cause morphine like behaviour. GFCF dietary intervention has shown promising outcomes in terms of reduction in behavioural features, development in motor, cognitive, and language skills and reduction in symptoms of enterocolitis and atopy (dermatitis) in autistic individuals with symptoms of enterocolitis, gluten allergy and elevated levels of gluten and casein peptides [1]."
My text was marked as "fringe" by someone that I believe has NOT read the thesis. This work is not "fringe". The thesis is well researched, based on with many authoritative citations, and is based on the detection of high levels of peptides in urine which should not be present, and which is reduced by the elimination of Gluten for those people. See also:
which discloses that some individuals on the ASD spectrum were found to have higher than normal levels of exorphins (morphine agonists) which are unhydrolyzed gluten and casein proteins in their urine .
The above text is not saying that eliminating gluten is an all-around cure for Autism. In contrast, the thesis explains WHY the GFCF diet does NOT universally work to improve all cases of autism, and states how to identifies those cases of Autism that can be assisted. The above text i have proposed to add states that there is an important sub-category of people that have Autism in which severe regression occurs because of Gluten, and in which eliminating that gluten reverses that severe regression. Please READ the full content of the thesis before comment on its pro's and con's. Maybe this text should go some-where else on the page, which is fine.. But this thesis is important and relevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BenjaminGittins ( talk • contribs) 20:31, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
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"Autistic children" is incorrect. Child/children with autism is correct. The disorder doesn't define the child. Have made changes to the article reflecting this. Incredible that this was a FA with such a glaring, repeated error throught the article. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 17:56, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
32cllou, I have recently had to revert or revise most of your edits, and it would be helpful if you could review some pages.
SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 05:39, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
The inclusion of "controversies" in Wikipedia articles is itself a controversial topic. However, when a significant controversy exists, it should be acknowledged in the article. To ignore it or dismiss it is to effectively render judgment, when society has not. The role of an encyclopedia, as I see it, is to report on "just the facts" not a version of those "facts" rendered by personal opinions. Landroo ( talk) 17:43, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Not sure why these two books are in a further reading section?
They are neiter broad in scope nor particularly notable looking. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 02:31, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
I have restored both sources as they are considered notable in their field. Medical knowledge is not just about the stories physicians tell, but also the stories told by patients. Somewhere along the way, Doc James has lost sight of the NPOV policy. Viriditas ( talk) 00:15, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
(ec x 5) Moved. [5] Please review WP:OWN#Featured articles and gain consensus before making changes. Grandin doesn't belong in a broad topic overview (and we can and do have much better sources than Attwood); Grandin does have various potential homes on Wikipedia, and I've added one. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 00:38, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
(ec x 4) Winkelvi this is backwards; please review WP:OWN#Featured articles, and please gain consensus before adding it again. Sociological and cultural aspects of autism is where those aspects are discussed; this article is broad overview, using summary style, with sub-articles. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 00:45, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
As the terms Autism and Autism spectrum are increasingly used in reference to the same condition, I recommend a merger of both articles. — ADeviloper ( talk) 17:51, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
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The notion of Autism as a medical condition is controversial. This is contested by the Autism rights movement, which is a movement headed by people in the Autistic spectrum that fights for the perception/definition of Autism as a normal variation without human neurodiversity. Doc James's removal of content related to the Autism rights movement and Autistic culture on articles dealing with Autism prevents access to essential information on Autism. The following content is content that you removed (which originated from the Autism rights movement article) and IMO is essential knowledge on articles involving Autism, Autism spectrum and Asperger Syndrome. ADeviloper ( talk) 16:20, 8 February 2015 (UTC) Autism rights movement![]() The autism rights movement (ARM) is a social movement within the neurodiversity movement that encourages autistic people, their caregivers and society to adopt a position of neurodiversity, accepting autism as a variation in functioning rather than a mental disorder to be cured. [1] The ARM advocates a variety of goals including a greater acceptance of autistic behaviors; [2] therapies that teach autistic individuals coping skills rather than therapies focused on imitating behaviors of neurotypical peers; [3] the creation of social networks and events that allow autistic people to socialize on their own terms; [4] and the recognition of the autistic community as a minority group. [5] Autism rights or neurodiversity advocates believe that the autism spectrum is genetic and should be accepted as a natural expression of the human genome. This perspective is distinct from two other likewise distinct views: (1) the mainstream perspective that autism is caused by a genetic defect and should be addressed by targeting the autism gene(s) and (2) the perspective that autism is caused by environmental factors like vaccines and pollution and could be cured by addressing environmental causes. [1] The movement is controversial. A common criticism leveled against autistic activists is that the majority of them are high-functioning or have Asperger syndrome and do not represent the views of all autistic people. [6] Prominent figures
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Jytdog, let's clarify something, please. In regard to Asperger Syndrome and Autism being considered largely a "developmental disorder" - you are right in part. Neurological development disorder is more on target. Developmental disorder is a very broad net and isn't specific to ASDs.
On to something important that I think is being lost in all of these discussions being started and continued at various autism-related article talk pages: let's not forget that WP:NOTAFORUM still applies. Which is what these discussions are becoming. Not about the articles and disputed content, but a place for ADeviloper to plead their case by turning the article talk pages into a forum/discussion atmosphere. I think this needs to be nipped in the bud and quelled ASAP. Let's hat all this and bring things back into focus: improving the article and building the encyclopedia. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 19:37, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
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The autism article was listed at FAC in 2007. Eight years have passed and the article is due for a featured article review as much has changed. Since that time, at least two notable books have been published and "canonized" in the autism literature. These include Temple Grandin's Thinking in Pictures: My Life with Autism (2011) and Julia Bascom's Loud Hands: Autistic People, Speaking (2012).
A dispute over adding these two sources to a further reading section has arisen. Four questions have been raised about including these sources:
This RfC is intended to solve these questions. Both sources are about people living with autism, and directly inform a narrative medical approach to understanding the condition. The unstated counterargument is that these sources may not meet WP:MEDRS, however, MEDRS does not rule out their use. The question remains: should the books by Grandin and Bascom be added to the further reading section? Viriditas ( talk) 06:16, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
On the discussion leading to RFC:
The unstated counterargument is that these sources may not meet WP:MEDRS, however, MEDRS does not rule out their use.There has been no mention of WP:MEDRS anywhere in the discussion of the addition of two books to Further reading.
As to the merits of the two books:
As to the mention of the need for a FAR, no deficiencies in FA status were noted. The article has been continuously maintained and updated by multiple editors since it passed FAC.
The insistence by some commenters here that publications listed under "Further reading" should comply with MEDRS ..., when in fact the actual mention of MEDRS was a strawman in the opening statement. If the proposal had been to use self-published works as sources, then WP:SPS would apply, and WP:MEDRS might apply, depending on the content sourced. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 14:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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if you respond to my comment.I believe that somehow we are missing the point that autism may be underdiagnosed in girls. Fact is, there may be more girls with autism than we may think. Autism has different symptoms for girls than boys. The article on autism should reflect that. Angela Maureen ( talk) 00:54, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
What's wrong with this source? Was it primary reference? Tell me, please. Angela Maureen ( talk) 02:16, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
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undid my addition that rubella vaccination would prevent only "a small minority" of autism cases because "ref did not support." The
BMC reference I added states: These results demonstrate that the CRS-ASD association is not trivial, though the prevented cases represent only a small fraction of current ASD prevalence.
This is the same estimate cited by The Lancet paper.
Congenital rubella syndrome causes <1% of autism cases, so "some" is a bit misleading.
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"The association between congenital rubella infection and autism was initially reported as early as 1971; however, more recent data reveal that congenital rubella infection is present in only 0.75% of autistic populations, although this percentage has likely diminished with widespread usage of the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine in Western countries."( Duchan & Patel, 2014 review) KateWishing ( talk) 14:31, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
No mention of the "intense world" theory is found anywhere on the current autism entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afm2105 ( talk • contribs) 23:27, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
A new study if the authors wish to include these articles as a reference in the Epidemology or Causes section. The article's warning notice recommended people discuss topics in the talk page, instead of editing the article.
Pregnancy-Related Diabetes Has Possible Link to Autism http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pregnancy-related-diabetes-has-possible-link-to-autism
Study: Association of Maternal Diabetes With Autism in Offspring http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2247143 Jcardazzi ( talk) 13:23, 17 April 2015 (UTC)jcardazzi
Thanks SandyGeorge, I did not know the JAMA article was not peer reviewed. I did read in the paragraph you cited "Because this is an observational study, no causal inferences can be drawn." "However, our results suggest that early screening for ASD in offspring of women with GDM diagnosed by 26 weeks’ gestation may be warranted. Our results also suggest that screening for GDM and control of glucose levels early in pregnancy may be important in reducing ASD risk for offspring. Whether early diagnosis and treatment of GDM can reduce the risk of ASD remains to be determined." Jcardazzi ( talk) 19:52, 17 April 2015 (UTC)jcardazzi
The Internet also helped many people understand autism and the autism spectrum better, although incorrect articles have also hurt some of the public. The media has begun to portray autism in a better light (despite the recent and continued controversy over vaccinations). The media has depicted special talents of some children with autism. These include the ability to play music without being taught and exceptional memory or math skills as seen in the movie Rain Man [1]. It is important to note that this movie depicts a savant and not your typical autistic person. While some savants are autistic, and vice-versa no direct correlation has been proven.
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Nolen-Hoeksema, Susan (2014). Abnormal Psychology. New York, NY: McGraw-Hill Education. p. 292. ISBN 978-0-07-803538-8.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nanthony007 ( talk • contribs) 3:29, April 20, 2015
I am hoping that you noticed this message which came up when you made your edit; it explains editing of Featured articles on Wikipedia and has some helpful links. While it was good that you proposed your edit here on talk, if you could wait longer than eight minutes before also inserting the text, you might have gotten a response from other editors.
I made these corrections to your addition and moved the text to Sociological and cultural aspects of autism, where the text better fits in "Media portrayal". [13] This is a broad overview article, which uses summary style. If you would like to review the changes I made to your text, and the reasons, you can start here and click Next edit to step through all the changes. Regards, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 04:29, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Al-Andalus moved the vaccine content in the Causes section from the end of that section to the beginning, in this dif. I reverted, as this seems worthy of discussion. I also think that we should perhaps add a "Society and culture" section (per WP:MEDMOS) and put this content there, as this content is not about an actual cause of autism... thoughts? Jytdog ( talk) 12:51, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, this change (resulting from edits by three different editors) is incorrect. Repetitive and restricted behaviors are part of the diagnosis, and required for it. Has that changed? It was my understanding that it is the severity issue that changed, not the requirement. Can is incorrect here: they are. I am not sure the wording is yet optimal, but we should hammer this out on talk. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 15:33, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
And since you are personalizing and making a distinction in this discussion between NTs and others, you might also recognize that not all NTs perseverate enough to divide other editors into those they have or haven't had previous disagreements with. Meaning, disagreements with you don't stand out in my memory, sorry. I was concerned about SNUGGUMS, though, since s/he does stand out in my memory, as s/he has been so helpful elsewhere. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:57, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
http://www.molecularautism.com/content/2/1/15/abstract (facial features)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22926922 (lungs)
They got removed, just want to confirm. Ylevental ( talk) 16:03, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Ylevental The two sources that you want to bring are "PRIMARY" sources as defined in MEDRS here. Per WP:MEDREV (and in indeed all content policies - WP:NPOV, WP:OR, and WP:VERIFY, and the other content guideline, WP:RS) all content should be based on SECONDARY sources. For articles about health, that means a literature review article published in the biomedical literature. here Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Resources - is a page of links to find use-able sources for health-related content. Jytdog ( talk) 15:22, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Autism#Classification This all relates to DSM-IV. DSM5 does not have the same 7 pervasive disorders... PDD-NOS, Aspergers, Autism are all now Autism. This section needs a major rewrite. Ga rr ie 13:39, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
This was added "In some cases individuals with autism can have catatonic-like detoriation in skills and sometimes they can have autistic catatonia, but it is a rare condition. [1] Autistic catatonia differs from classic catatonia in a number of ways. [2]"
I think it is undue weight for the lead. The first ref is a small primary source from 2000. The second is a blog. The symptoms is rare. The discussion should be in the body and with better refs. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 10:15, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Please tell me Autism Speaks isn't being referenced as a source for Autism. 13:40, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
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"It is a difficult disorder to define because cases differ so greatly; however, there are some commonalities. [1] For example, in almost all cases, the disorder is apparent before the age of 3 and does not increase in severity after that age. [2]"
We already say much of this in the lead. For example the next sentence says "Parents usually notice signs in the first two years of their child's life."
Same with "It is considered a heterogeneous disorder in the sense that afflicted individuals may be severely impaired in some respect but may be normal, or even superior, in others. [3]"
We state "Autism is a highly variable neurodevelopmental disorder" in the sentence before. So trimmed these additions. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 07:31, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
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Exactly how, according to this editor, have the vaccine hypotheses have been disproven?
I do not believe that such a claim could be scientifically justified. I am going to change the language to reflect this. If you revert the change, please provide full justification of the claim that the vaccine hypotheses have been disproven. --- Dagme ( talk) 10:02, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Is there a reason that low birth weight and/or preterm birth are not noted in the article as possible causes of autism? This information might have been in this article before, but was removed due to poor sourcing and/or insufficient evidence. There are WP:MEDRS-compliant sources that list low birth weight and/or preterm birth as possible causes of autism. For example, the following sources:
On the other hand, this 2009 Child Neuropsychology: Assessment and Interventions for Neurodevelopmental Disorders, 2nd Edition source, from Springer Science & Business Media, page 253, states, "Low birth weight (defined as less than 2,5000 g) was not associated with an increased risk of autism." And this 2011 Textbook of Autism Spectrum Disorders source, from the American Psychiatric Pub, pages 242-243, states, "However, study results suggest that low birth weight per se is not likely associated with increased risk of autism. Although low birth weight was examined in six epidemiological studies (Eaton et al. 2001; Glasson et al. 2004; Hultman et al. 2002; Larsson et al. 2005; Maimburg and Vaeth 2006; Schendel and Bhasin 2008), only two studies (Maimburg and Vaeth 2006; Schendel and Bhasin 2008) found it to be associated with increased risk of autism after other potential risk factors were controlled for. Schendel and Bhasin (2008) suggested a stronger association in females." Flyer22 ( talk) 10:19, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
No one has any thoughts on this? About whether or not we should note that a few studies indicate that low birth weight and/or preterm birth are possible causes of autism, but that these causes are not considered "high risk" for autism, and/or that the research on these matters is not strong? Given that medical and news sites commonly list or report premature babies and/or low-birth-weight babies being at a higher risk of autism, as seen here and here, I feel that we should note something in this article about these aspects. Flyer22 ( talk) 19:58, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
I would like to go more in depth discussing the education of children with autism and possibly create a new section within this article. I would argue that it is an incredibly important topic as it is critical to the development of a child with autism. There is also very little in depth information that is discussed on Wikipedia that is specific to the effectiveness of the education system for autistic children, the policies that affect their education, as well as how the teaching methods have progressed over time; however, there is a large amount of peer reviewed articles discussing these matters. Jmarrs94 ( talk) 01:34, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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This article claims to be about "classic" autism (Kanner-type autism) but its content belies this. Either it should be merged with autism spectrum or the content not strictly referring to "classic" autism needs to go. I am not sure if this is feasible, however, and the distinction between "classic" autism, Asperger's and other autism spectrum disorders has been removed in the DSM-5 (2013), anyway, so maybe a merger makes more sense, although specialised articles on "classic" autism, Asperger's, PDD-NOS, CDD, Rett's etc. could be kept. It is also noteworthy that sub-articles using the term "autism" generally refer to the spectrum, and this is – it appears to me – increasingly the prevailing mode of thought; the difficulty of the distinction may be illustrated by how Temple Grandin's diagnosis has shifted from "classic" autism to "high-functioning" autism and (according to her own website) Asperger's (HFA and Asperger's are sometimes differentiated and sometimes treated as the same). -- Florian Blaschke ( talk) 21:13, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
I added information that reflects the current evidences of the gluten free diet in treating the symptoms of autism, after being discussed here and here, and included in gluten free diet.
Best regards. -- BallenaBlanca ( talk) 10:27, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
I would love to work on the articles quality: structure, sources, general language. I suggest that a "controversy" section is needed to place theories such as vaccination and Round up attributed causation. Some references need adjustment to the new criteria established by the DSM V. It would also be good to list the set of tests that can be used by age and type for diagnosis. Chibs007 ( talk) 18:22, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
This is newly discovered: a study has suggested and reported that children with autism have only 1/3 times the amount of
vitamin B12 of typical children without the neurological disorder. Does it sound like something which would belong under the "Mechanism" section?
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Including a list of alternative treatments that are not supported by research studies may help individuals and their caregivers better navigate the world of alternative treatment. The autism article currently includes a few dangerous treatments and a bit of information on gluten related and casein-free diets. I would like to add a sentence discussing a few therapies that are not supported by the current evidence or that require further research to determine their impact on autism. For example, systematic reviews of acupuncture [1] and omega-3 fatty acid supplementation [2] have not found sufficient evidence to support the efficacy of these treatments.
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Dr. Noisewatter ( talk) 23:24, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Dr. Noisewatter about this dif. The citation does not include the journal name or the PMID, which you must include. It also is inaccurate, as the content spoke broadly about antipsychotics but the source was only about one drug. The source was also three years old, and there is a review on this from last year. the content was dropped into the paragraph, instead of engaging with the content that was already there. so i reverted and in my next edit, i fixed the problems. Please bear all those things in mind going forward. Thanks. Jytdog ( talk) 01:07, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
The subsection of the article on medications may benefit from greater detail about the effectiveness of different types of medication. For example, selective seratonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) have not been proven effective in the treatment of children with ASD, but they may be beneficial in the treatment of adults with ASD. [1]
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The alternative medicine subsection of the autism article does not include any positive information regarding alternative treatments. I would like to add the following information about music therapy.
Music therapy is one form of alternative treatment that is moderately effective in improving the social interactions and communication skills of individuals, particularly children, with ASD. [1]
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Dr. Noisewatter ( talk) 23:43, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
This thread is kind of stale, but it's worth keeping in mind that the current state of the article may simply be reflective of reality. That is, I suspect that most alternative treatments are ineffective at best and that, while including positive information about them is all well and good, it shouldn't be given undue weight. ♫ ekips39 (talk)❀ 17:55, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
http://sciencenordic.com/study-links-autism-circumcision
"According to the new study, which included 340,000 Danish boys, it looks as though circumcision increases the risk of developing autism."
This looks like a good study and there is mention that is has been replicated. If someone wants to work it into this article, go ahead. If nobody does it or object I might get around to it in a week or so.
Keith Henson ( talk) 04:34, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
The first cited source in the intro doesn't seem to say anything about the claim it's next to - "Parents usually notice signs in the first two years of their child's life" [16] - unless I've missed something. Surprisingly seems to have been like that since 2009 when the citation was moved from a sentence following it [17]. That 'Management' source does refer to a "companion document" on 'Identification', cited elsewhere here about other issues, which does say "Most parents become concerned between 15 and 18 months", "most parents sense something is wrong by the time the child is 18 months old" [18] And there is a source in the body of article saying similar things albeit in regard to any ASD. [19]. Eversync ( talk) 14:13, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
Well I guess the Identification source should be swapped in for the Management one in the intro, but then the wording would need tweaking. Scanning through the ultimate sources, the wording of the Nature article cited in the body seems to imply parents were reporting concerns specifically of ASD but neither of the cited sources seemed to say that and in fact one specifically points out that most parents weren't initially reporting concerns that would differentiate autism - but primarily (by a long distance) delays in speech & language or other non-specific features. Some other source suggested that may be changing with the increased public awareness, but then another source pointed out a substantial proportion of parents wrongly report concerns. And then again another source pointed out a substantial proportion of early diagnoses of autism are found to be longer applied at some later age in childhood. I can only guess the wording has to be a bit noncommittal. Eversync ( talk) 21:53, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
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I wonder, why was this tag added? I really see no need for it. Dbrodbeck ( talk) 15:01, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
This article seems to exclusively use person-first language ("people with autism") ahead of identity-first language ("autistic people"). Autistic people and professionals who work with them disagree on which is better, and I am unaware of any Wikipedia-wide standards.
If Wikipedia does have a standard, it is surely to prefer the more concise term - in this case, "autistic" ahead of "with autism" - unless there is a good case not to. Autistic people generally prefer identity-first language, and this is recommended by the major organisations promoting autism rights, the Autism Self Advocacy Network (USA) and the National Autistic Society (UK).
I propose changing the article to prefer identity-first language, except when such phrasing would be awkward. Does this have consensus? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SCIAG ( talk • contribs) 21:23, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
Many people say that autism is more common in males. However, when girls are affected with autism, they are more severely affected and more likely to have low intelligence. [1] Are there references that can clarify this info? Angela Maureen ( talk) 19:13, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
Says "an association of ASD with maternal Rubella and CMV infection in pregnancy, maternal inflammation and immune activation, or exposure in pregnancy to VPA, cocaine and high levels of ethanol seems very likely." [20] Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 05:41, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
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I understand. I'll do the citations as you request. Thank you.
Reading all that stuff yesterday ... ASD is essentially caused by lifestyle and the environment. Specifically, a stressed out women having a baby late in life, the latter probably because her body is more doped up with pollutants. And the environment includes exposure to pollution (not just air Doc). Pollution includes exposure (human absorption or ingestion) of heavy metals, organophosphates, and particulates. Generally, in cities, particulate exposure means byproducts on combustion (diesel exhaust is high on my personal list) and industrial process. Around agriculture production, you find exposure to pesticides and herbicides that contain heavy metals and organophosphates. Finally, I read oxidation and inflammation, suggesting the role of inadequate antioxidant intake (note for below, sulforaphane is a strong antioxidant).
How does all that get inside the body? Obviously breathing. Elsewhere, reviews find that human exposures to pollution is primarily a function of eating high on the food chain. I'm sure the vegan police in Wiki will prevent us from mentioning animal products. High on my personal to avoid list is farmed fish and chicken. Especially for pregnant women.
Anyway, gene variability among humans leaves some more vulnerable to ASD related gene expressions cause by those pollutants. Wiki makes it sound like it's mostly inherited genes, not gene expressions! The pollutants can also (in a subgroup) contribute to an "allergy" in the brain effecting Mast cells.
So finally, here's the question please. Last Oct, primary research strongly suggests sulforaphane can can reduce patient symptoms (dramatically in the slight majority).[ [1]] The study ended at 18 weeks, though the kids were still trend improving). It's a gold standard study. Note, I do not promote supplements, rather the eating of raw broccoli (by far, chewed broccoli is the best natural source of sulforaphane). I'm here to help people, and I've other projects to attend, so if I can't include any of that study...none of this is worth it to me. Will you guys allow the inclusion of any of that study?
Note, most of the improved kids experienced a fever, which I read is commonly coincident with improved functionality (with almost all autistic kids, after a fever they improve temporarily). From that study they say, "fever can dramatically but temporarily ameliorate the disturbed behavior of many autistic patients". Primary research again, but fever is also associated with clonal antibody reset, which can be a marker for dramatically reduced allergy symptoms. Back to stuff I'd like to include, you'll find the authors speculate several other mechanisms (why they chose to test sulforaphane). Finally, sulforaphane (primary again) is utilized by the liver to aid in the remove pollutants. (Shapiro TA, Fahey JW, Wade KL, Stephenson KK, Talalay P. Chemoprotective glucosinolates and isothiocyanates of broccoli sprouts: metabolism and excretion in humans. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2001 May;10(5):501-8.)(Nestle M. Broccoli sprouts as inducers of carcinogen-detoxifying enzyme systems: clinical, dietary, and policy implications. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 1997 Oct 14;94(21):11149-51.). 32cllou ( talk) 18:29, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Published in 2014, but sample at age 8 taken in 2010; thus understates if rate has continued to rise. Also think it's important to note the higher rate in white boys. 32cllou ( talk) 06:27, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
I propose that after the text: "The signs usually develop gradually, but some autistic children develop more normally at first and then regress." the following text should be added: "Recent research indicates that some of these cases of regression could be caused by malfunction or the down regulation of dipeptidyl peptidase DPP4 enzyme that is in charge of breaking down gliadorphins and casomorphin peptides (gluten and casein peptides) into amino acids for absorption, which ultimately causes leakage of unhydrolized peptides to the blood stream and hence, to the brain. These peptides are morphine agonists (so called “opioid peptides” or exorphins) and are believed to interact with opioid receptors and cause morphine like behaviour. GFCF dietary intervention has shown promising outcomes in terms of reduction in behavioural features, development in motor, cognitive, and language skills and reduction in symptoms of enterocolitis and atopy (dermatitis) in autistic individuals with symptoms of enterocolitis, gluten allergy and elevated levels of gluten and casein peptides [1]."
My text was marked as "fringe" by someone that I believe has NOT read the thesis. This work is not "fringe". The thesis is well researched, based on with many authoritative citations, and is based on the detection of high levels of peptides in urine which should not be present, and which is reduced by the elimination of Gluten for those people. See also:
which discloses that some individuals on the ASD spectrum were found to have higher than normal levels of exorphins (morphine agonists) which are unhydrolyzed gluten and casein proteins in their urine .
The above text is not saying that eliminating gluten is an all-around cure for Autism. In contrast, the thesis explains WHY the GFCF diet does NOT universally work to improve all cases of autism, and states how to identifies those cases of Autism that can be assisted. The above text i have proposed to add states that there is an important sub-category of people that have Autism in which severe regression occurs because of Gluten, and in which eliminating that gluten reverses that severe regression. Please READ the full content of the thesis before comment on its pro's and con's. Maybe this text should go some-where else on the page, which is fine.. But this thesis is important and relevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BenjaminGittins ( talk • contribs) 20:31, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
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"Autistic children" is incorrect. Child/children with autism is correct. The disorder doesn't define the child. Have made changes to the article reflecting this. Incredible that this was a FA with such a glaring, repeated error throught the article. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 17:56, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
32cllou, I have recently had to revert or revise most of your edits, and it would be helpful if you could review some pages.
SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 05:39, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
The inclusion of "controversies" in Wikipedia articles is itself a controversial topic. However, when a significant controversy exists, it should be acknowledged in the article. To ignore it or dismiss it is to effectively render judgment, when society has not. The role of an encyclopedia, as I see it, is to report on "just the facts" not a version of those "facts" rendered by personal opinions. Landroo ( talk) 17:43, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Not sure why these two books are in a further reading section?
They are neiter broad in scope nor particularly notable looking. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 02:31, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
I have restored both sources as they are considered notable in their field. Medical knowledge is not just about the stories physicians tell, but also the stories told by patients. Somewhere along the way, Doc James has lost sight of the NPOV policy. Viriditas ( talk) 00:15, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
(ec x 5) Moved. [5] Please review WP:OWN#Featured articles and gain consensus before making changes. Grandin doesn't belong in a broad topic overview (and we can and do have much better sources than Attwood); Grandin does have various potential homes on Wikipedia, and I've added one. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 00:38, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
(ec x 4) Winkelvi this is backwards; please review WP:OWN#Featured articles, and please gain consensus before adding it again. Sociological and cultural aspects of autism is where those aspects are discussed; this article is broad overview, using summary style, with sub-articles. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 00:45, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
As the terms Autism and Autism spectrum are increasingly used in reference to the same condition, I recommend a merger of both articles. — ADeviloper ( talk) 17:51, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
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The notion of Autism as a medical condition is controversial. This is contested by the Autism rights movement, which is a movement headed by people in the Autistic spectrum that fights for the perception/definition of Autism as a normal variation without human neurodiversity. Doc James's removal of content related to the Autism rights movement and Autistic culture on articles dealing with Autism prevents access to essential information on Autism. The following content is content that you removed (which originated from the Autism rights movement article) and IMO is essential knowledge on articles involving Autism, Autism spectrum and Asperger Syndrome. ADeviloper ( talk) 16:20, 8 February 2015 (UTC) Autism rights movement![]() The autism rights movement (ARM) is a social movement within the neurodiversity movement that encourages autistic people, their caregivers and society to adopt a position of neurodiversity, accepting autism as a variation in functioning rather than a mental disorder to be cured. [1] The ARM advocates a variety of goals including a greater acceptance of autistic behaviors; [2] therapies that teach autistic individuals coping skills rather than therapies focused on imitating behaviors of neurotypical peers; [3] the creation of social networks and events that allow autistic people to socialize on their own terms; [4] and the recognition of the autistic community as a minority group. [5] Autism rights or neurodiversity advocates believe that the autism spectrum is genetic and should be accepted as a natural expression of the human genome. This perspective is distinct from two other likewise distinct views: (1) the mainstream perspective that autism is caused by a genetic defect and should be addressed by targeting the autism gene(s) and (2) the perspective that autism is caused by environmental factors like vaccines and pollution and could be cured by addressing environmental causes. [1] The movement is controversial. A common criticism leveled against autistic activists is that the majority of them are high-functioning or have Asperger syndrome and do not represent the views of all autistic people. [6] Prominent figures
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Jytdog, let's clarify something, please. In regard to Asperger Syndrome and Autism being considered largely a "developmental disorder" - you are right in part. Neurological development disorder is more on target. Developmental disorder is a very broad net and isn't specific to ASDs.
On to something important that I think is being lost in all of these discussions being started and continued at various autism-related article talk pages: let's not forget that WP:NOTAFORUM still applies. Which is what these discussions are becoming. Not about the articles and disputed content, but a place for ADeviloper to plead their case by turning the article talk pages into a forum/discussion atmosphere. I think this needs to be nipped in the bud and quelled ASAP. Let's hat all this and bring things back into focus: improving the article and building the encyclopedia. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 19:37, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
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The autism article was listed at FAC in 2007. Eight years have passed and the article is due for a featured article review as much has changed. Since that time, at least two notable books have been published and "canonized" in the autism literature. These include Temple Grandin's Thinking in Pictures: My Life with Autism (2011) and Julia Bascom's Loud Hands: Autistic People, Speaking (2012).
A dispute over adding these two sources to a further reading section has arisen. Four questions have been raised about including these sources:
This RfC is intended to solve these questions. Both sources are about people living with autism, and directly inform a narrative medical approach to understanding the condition. The unstated counterargument is that these sources may not meet WP:MEDRS, however, MEDRS does not rule out their use. The question remains: should the books by Grandin and Bascom be added to the further reading section? Viriditas ( talk) 06:16, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
On the discussion leading to RFC:
The unstated counterargument is that these sources may not meet WP:MEDRS, however, MEDRS does not rule out their use.There has been no mention of WP:MEDRS anywhere in the discussion of the addition of two books to Further reading.
As to the merits of the two books:
As to the mention of the need for a FAR, no deficiencies in FA status were noted. The article has been continuously maintained and updated by multiple editors since it passed FAC.
The insistence by some commenters here that publications listed under "Further reading" should comply with MEDRS ..., when in fact the actual mention of MEDRS was a strawman in the opening statement. If the proposal had been to use self-published works as sources, then WP:SPS would apply, and WP:MEDRS might apply, depending on the content sourced. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 14:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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if you respond to my comment.I believe that somehow we are missing the point that autism may be underdiagnosed in girls. Fact is, there may be more girls with autism than we may think. Autism has different symptoms for girls than boys. The article on autism should reflect that. Angela Maureen ( talk) 00:54, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
What's wrong with this source? Was it primary reference? Tell me, please. Angela Maureen ( talk) 02:16, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
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undid my addition that rubella vaccination would prevent only "a small minority" of autism cases because "ref did not support." The
BMC reference I added states: These results demonstrate that the CRS-ASD association is not trivial, though the prevented cases represent only a small fraction of current ASD prevalence.
This is the same estimate cited by The Lancet paper.
Congenital rubella syndrome causes <1% of autism cases, so "some" is a bit misleading.
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"The association between congenital rubella infection and autism was initially reported as early as 1971; however, more recent data reveal that congenital rubella infection is present in only 0.75% of autistic populations, although this percentage has likely diminished with widespread usage of the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine in Western countries."( Duchan & Patel, 2014 review) KateWishing ( talk) 14:31, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
No mention of the "intense world" theory is found anywhere on the current autism entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afm2105 ( talk • contribs) 23:27, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
A new study if the authors wish to include these articles as a reference in the Epidemology or Causes section. The article's warning notice recommended people discuss topics in the talk page, instead of editing the article.
Pregnancy-Related Diabetes Has Possible Link to Autism http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pregnancy-related-diabetes-has-possible-link-to-autism
Study: Association of Maternal Diabetes With Autism in Offspring http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2247143 Jcardazzi ( talk) 13:23, 17 April 2015 (UTC)jcardazzi
Thanks SandyGeorge, I did not know the JAMA article was not peer reviewed. I did read in the paragraph you cited "Because this is an observational study, no causal inferences can be drawn." "However, our results suggest that early screening for ASD in offspring of women with GDM diagnosed by 26 weeks’ gestation may be warranted. Our results also suggest that screening for GDM and control of glucose levels early in pregnancy may be important in reducing ASD risk for offspring. Whether early diagnosis and treatment of GDM can reduce the risk of ASD remains to be determined." Jcardazzi ( talk) 19:52, 17 April 2015 (UTC)jcardazzi
The Internet also helped many people understand autism and the autism spectrum better, although incorrect articles have also hurt some of the public. The media has begun to portray autism in a better light (despite the recent and continued controversy over vaccinations). The media has depicted special talents of some children with autism. These include the ability to play music without being taught and exceptional memory or math skills as seen in the movie Rain Man [1]. It is important to note that this movie depicts a savant and not your typical autistic person. While some savants are autistic, and vice-versa no direct correlation has been proven.
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Nolen-Hoeksema, Susan (2014). Abnormal Psychology. New York, NY: McGraw-Hill Education. p. 292. ISBN 978-0-07-803538-8.
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I am hoping that you noticed this message which came up when you made your edit; it explains editing of Featured articles on Wikipedia and has some helpful links. While it was good that you proposed your edit here on talk, if you could wait longer than eight minutes before also inserting the text, you might have gotten a response from other editors.
I made these corrections to your addition and moved the text to Sociological and cultural aspects of autism, where the text better fits in "Media portrayal". [13] This is a broad overview article, which uses summary style. If you would like to review the changes I made to your text, and the reasons, you can start here and click Next edit to step through all the changes. Regards, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 04:29, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Al-Andalus moved the vaccine content in the Causes section from the end of that section to the beginning, in this dif. I reverted, as this seems worthy of discussion. I also think that we should perhaps add a "Society and culture" section (per WP:MEDMOS) and put this content there, as this content is not about an actual cause of autism... thoughts? Jytdog ( talk) 12:51, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, this change (resulting from edits by three different editors) is incorrect. Repetitive and restricted behaviors are part of the diagnosis, and required for it. Has that changed? It was my understanding that it is the severity issue that changed, not the requirement. Can is incorrect here: they are. I am not sure the wording is yet optimal, but we should hammer this out on talk. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 15:33, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
And since you are personalizing and making a distinction in this discussion between NTs and others, you might also recognize that not all NTs perseverate enough to divide other editors into those they have or haven't had previous disagreements with. Meaning, disagreements with you don't stand out in my memory, sorry. I was concerned about SNUGGUMS, though, since s/he does stand out in my memory, as s/he has been so helpful elsewhere. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:57, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22926922 (lungs)
They got removed, just want to confirm. Ylevental ( talk) 16:03, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Ylevental The two sources that you want to bring are "PRIMARY" sources as defined in MEDRS here. Per WP:MEDREV (and in indeed all content policies - WP:NPOV, WP:OR, and WP:VERIFY, and the other content guideline, WP:RS) all content should be based on SECONDARY sources. For articles about health, that means a literature review article published in the biomedical literature. here Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Resources - is a page of links to find use-able sources for health-related content. Jytdog ( talk) 15:22, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Autism#Classification This all relates to DSM-IV. DSM5 does not have the same 7 pervasive disorders... PDD-NOS, Aspergers, Autism are all now Autism. This section needs a major rewrite. Ga rr ie 13:39, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
This was added "In some cases individuals with autism can have catatonic-like detoriation in skills and sometimes they can have autistic catatonia, but it is a rare condition. [1] Autistic catatonia differs from classic catatonia in a number of ways. [2]"
I think it is undue weight for the lead. The first ref is a small primary source from 2000. The second is a blog. The symptoms is rare. The discussion should be in the body and with better refs. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 10:15, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Please tell me Autism Speaks isn't being referenced as a source for Autism. 13:40, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
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"It is a difficult disorder to define because cases differ so greatly; however, there are some commonalities. [1] For example, in almost all cases, the disorder is apparent before the age of 3 and does not increase in severity after that age. [2]"
We already say much of this in the lead. For example the next sentence says "Parents usually notice signs in the first two years of their child's life."
Same with "It is considered a heterogeneous disorder in the sense that afflicted individuals may be severely impaired in some respect but may be normal, or even superior, in others. [3]"
We state "Autism is a highly variable neurodevelopmental disorder" in the sentence before. So trimmed these additions. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 07:31, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
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Exactly how, according to this editor, have the vaccine hypotheses have been disproven?
I do not believe that such a claim could be scientifically justified. I am going to change the language to reflect this. If you revert the change, please provide full justification of the claim that the vaccine hypotheses have been disproven. --- Dagme ( talk) 10:02, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Is there a reason that low birth weight and/or preterm birth are not noted in the article as possible causes of autism? This information might have been in this article before, but was removed due to poor sourcing and/or insufficient evidence. There are WP:MEDRS-compliant sources that list low birth weight and/or preterm birth as possible causes of autism. For example, the following sources:
On the other hand, this 2009 Child Neuropsychology: Assessment and Interventions for Neurodevelopmental Disorders, 2nd Edition source, from Springer Science & Business Media, page 253, states, "Low birth weight (defined as less than 2,5000 g) was not associated with an increased risk of autism." And this 2011 Textbook of Autism Spectrum Disorders source, from the American Psychiatric Pub, pages 242-243, states, "However, study results suggest that low birth weight per se is not likely associated with increased risk of autism. Although low birth weight was examined in six epidemiological studies (Eaton et al. 2001; Glasson et al. 2004; Hultman et al. 2002; Larsson et al. 2005; Maimburg and Vaeth 2006; Schendel and Bhasin 2008), only two studies (Maimburg and Vaeth 2006; Schendel and Bhasin 2008) found it to be associated with increased risk of autism after other potential risk factors were controlled for. Schendel and Bhasin (2008) suggested a stronger association in females." Flyer22 ( talk) 10:19, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
No one has any thoughts on this? About whether or not we should note that a few studies indicate that low birth weight and/or preterm birth are possible causes of autism, but that these causes are not considered "high risk" for autism, and/or that the research on these matters is not strong? Given that medical and news sites commonly list or report premature babies and/or low-birth-weight babies being at a higher risk of autism, as seen here and here, I feel that we should note something in this article about these aspects. Flyer22 ( talk) 19:58, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
I would like to go more in depth discussing the education of children with autism and possibly create a new section within this article. I would argue that it is an incredibly important topic as it is critical to the development of a child with autism. There is also very little in depth information that is discussed on Wikipedia that is specific to the effectiveness of the education system for autistic children, the policies that affect their education, as well as how the teaching methods have progressed over time; however, there is a large amount of peer reviewed articles discussing these matters. Jmarrs94 ( talk) 01:34, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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This article claims to be about "classic" autism (Kanner-type autism) but its content belies this. Either it should be merged with autism spectrum or the content not strictly referring to "classic" autism needs to go. I am not sure if this is feasible, however, and the distinction between "classic" autism, Asperger's and other autism spectrum disorders has been removed in the DSM-5 (2013), anyway, so maybe a merger makes more sense, although specialised articles on "classic" autism, Asperger's, PDD-NOS, CDD, Rett's etc. could be kept. It is also noteworthy that sub-articles using the term "autism" generally refer to the spectrum, and this is – it appears to me – increasingly the prevailing mode of thought; the difficulty of the distinction may be illustrated by how Temple Grandin's diagnosis has shifted from "classic" autism to "high-functioning" autism and (according to her own website) Asperger's (HFA and Asperger's are sometimes differentiated and sometimes treated as the same). -- Florian Blaschke ( talk) 21:13, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
I added information that reflects the current evidences of the gluten free diet in treating the symptoms of autism, after being discussed here and here, and included in gluten free diet.
Best regards. -- BallenaBlanca ( talk) 10:27, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
I would love to work on the articles quality: structure, sources, general language. I suggest that a "controversy" section is needed to place theories such as vaccination and Round up attributed causation. Some references need adjustment to the new criteria established by the DSM V. It would also be good to list the set of tests that can be used by age and type for diagnosis. Chibs007 ( talk) 18:22, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
This is newly discovered: a study has suggested and reported that children with autism have only 1/3 times the amount of
vitamin B12 of typical children without the neurological disorder. Does it sound like something which would belong under the "Mechanism" section?
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Including a list of alternative treatments that are not supported by research studies may help individuals and their caregivers better navigate the world of alternative treatment. The autism article currently includes a few dangerous treatments and a bit of information on gluten related and casein-free diets. I would like to add a sentence discussing a few therapies that are not supported by the current evidence or that require further research to determine their impact on autism. For example, systematic reviews of acupuncture [1] and omega-3 fatty acid supplementation [2] have not found sufficient evidence to support the efficacy of these treatments.
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Dr. Noisewatter ( talk) 23:24, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Dr. Noisewatter about this dif. The citation does not include the journal name or the PMID, which you must include. It also is inaccurate, as the content spoke broadly about antipsychotics but the source was only about one drug. The source was also three years old, and there is a review on this from last year. the content was dropped into the paragraph, instead of engaging with the content that was already there. so i reverted and in my next edit, i fixed the problems. Please bear all those things in mind going forward. Thanks. Jytdog ( talk) 01:07, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
The subsection of the article on medications may benefit from greater detail about the effectiveness of different types of medication. For example, selective seratonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) have not been proven effective in the treatment of children with ASD, but they may be beneficial in the treatment of adults with ASD. [1]
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The alternative medicine subsection of the autism article does not include any positive information regarding alternative treatments. I would like to add the following information about music therapy.
Music therapy is one form of alternative treatment that is moderately effective in improving the social interactions and communication skills of individuals, particularly children, with ASD. [1]
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Dr. Noisewatter ( talk) 23:43, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
This thread is kind of stale, but it's worth keeping in mind that the current state of the article may simply be reflective of reality. That is, I suspect that most alternative treatments are ineffective at best and that, while including positive information about them is all well and good, it shouldn't be given undue weight. ♫ ekips39 (talk)❀ 17:55, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
http://sciencenordic.com/study-links-autism-circumcision
"According to the new study, which included 340,000 Danish boys, it looks as though circumcision increases the risk of developing autism."
This looks like a good study and there is mention that is has been replicated. If someone wants to work it into this article, go ahead. If nobody does it or object I might get around to it in a week or so.
Keith Henson ( talk) 04:34, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
The first cited source in the intro doesn't seem to say anything about the claim it's next to - "Parents usually notice signs in the first two years of their child's life" [16] - unless I've missed something. Surprisingly seems to have been like that since 2009 when the citation was moved from a sentence following it [17]. That 'Management' source does refer to a "companion document" on 'Identification', cited elsewhere here about other issues, which does say "Most parents become concerned between 15 and 18 months", "most parents sense something is wrong by the time the child is 18 months old" [18] And there is a source in the body of article saying similar things albeit in regard to any ASD. [19]. Eversync ( talk) 14:13, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
Well I guess the Identification source should be swapped in for the Management one in the intro, but then the wording would need tweaking. Scanning through the ultimate sources, the wording of the Nature article cited in the body seems to imply parents were reporting concerns specifically of ASD but neither of the cited sources seemed to say that and in fact one specifically points out that most parents weren't initially reporting concerns that would differentiate autism - but primarily (by a long distance) delays in speech & language or other non-specific features. Some other source suggested that may be changing with the increased public awareness, but then another source pointed out a substantial proportion of parents wrongly report concerns. And then again another source pointed out a substantial proportion of early diagnoses of autism are found to be longer applied at some later age in childhood. I can only guess the wording has to be a bit noncommittal. Eversync ( talk) 21:53, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
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I wonder, why was this tag added? I really see no need for it. Dbrodbeck ( talk) 15:01, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
This article seems to exclusively use person-first language ("people with autism") ahead of identity-first language ("autistic people"). Autistic people and professionals who work with them disagree on which is better, and I am unaware of any Wikipedia-wide standards.
If Wikipedia does have a standard, it is surely to prefer the more concise term - in this case, "autistic" ahead of "with autism" - unless there is a good case not to. Autistic people generally prefer identity-first language, and this is recommended by the major organisations promoting autism rights, the Autism Self Advocacy Network (USA) and the National Autistic Society (UK).
I propose changing the article to prefer identity-first language, except when such phrasing would be awkward. Does this have consensus? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SCIAG ( talk • contribs) 21:23, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
Many people say that autism is more common in males. However, when girls are affected with autism, they are more severely affected and more likely to have low intelligence. [1] Are there references that can clarify this info? Angela Maureen ( talk) 19:13, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
Says "an association of ASD with maternal Rubella and CMV infection in pregnancy, maternal inflammation and immune activation, or exposure in pregnancy to VPA, cocaine and high levels of ethanol seems very likely." [20] Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 05:41, 31 December 2016 (UTC)