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Googling for "Mark Aurel Stein" and "Marc Aurel Stein" seems to indicate a pretty even split once one has discounted the Wiki-derivative sites. UK sites seem to prefer Mark with a k so is this an Anglo-Hungarian spelling difference or did he change his name at some stage? Has anyone got some of his books to indicate what name he went by? adamsan 11:50, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The back cover of my Dover copy of "Ruins of Desert Cathay" spells his name "Mark". However, the British Library website for its current Silk Road exhibition spells his name "Marc". Confusingly, the BL catalogue listings for his book offer up both "Mark" and "Marc". I'd say "Marc" would be the best for now, since the BL has it twice, but I have not been able to find any record of Stein writing his own name any other way than "M. Aurel Stein". -- Radulfus 14:40, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Anybody else wondering about RL Stein? The author of the Goosebumps series.
The following is what a few of the libraries involved have decided: based on these, I'd vote for just "Aurel Stein", myself, and set up the authority record to forward all other variants to this -- prevents cross-referencing confusion, when users want to go from Wikipedia to Oxford/OLIS, say, or to any of the other libraries.
The British -- Oxford, anyway -- appear to have skipped over the Marc/Mark problem, deciding instead upon "Sir Aurel", and the French and the Americans probably just followed that. Looks like the BL simply has inter-filed everything, calling theirs an "integrated catalogue" now, relying on book title pages for their entries, probably: no idea how their authority pages work as they don't show those -- i.e. how to find all Stein entries, now?... The Hungarians, which Stein was by birth, drop Marc/Mark too, but they add an accent to Aurél: I had a Hungarian grandfather who used the "k" for his name, "Markus" -- but over there names & spellings tend to get mixed around a lot, for political & nationalist & many other reasons.
Library entries:
OK Here's a suggestion for the note, then:
Aurel Stein
(Note: per library practice at inter alia Oxford/OLIS, BnFrance/Opale, UC/Melvyl, Nat.Lib.Hungary/OSZK Katalógus Amicus, Library of Congress -- see variants in Stein's name at [Wikipedia authorities / forwarding page address])
-- I'll set this up, if there's agreement here?
-- Kessler 17:31, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
The text has no direct or connected, specific relevance to the subject, Aurel Stein. Could the author connect it to Stein or remove it? Also I'm not sure what is meant by "not consensual on that the . . ." means. : "Palaeolinguistic research is probably consensual on that the languages of the Tarim Basin originated in an extension of the Indo-Europeans that probably separated ca4000 BCE from their homeland and might have reached the Tarim Basin sometime after ca2000 BCE. These languages, which are far from identical, are now generally called Turfan and Kuchan. Tokharians or Tocharians is the Greek for probable Indo-Iranians who also separated from the Indo-European homeland (north of the Caucasus) and migrated east as far as Lake Balkash and Gansu. Subsequently (after the 4th century BCE), these Indo-Iranians, known to the Chinese as Yuezhi and as Wu Sun, were driven westwards by the Altaic Xiongnu (either Mongols or Turks). These are the Greek Tokharians, whose language is not known, and who moved in the direction of Transoxiana and south into Bactria (northern Afghanistan), but not likely to the Tarim Basin." Doc Rock 12:02, 31 August 2006
The original described Stein as a "Jewish archaeologist" which is inaccurate. Stein had converted to Christianity. He was therefore of "Jewish descent." Thus corrected. -- Iwanafish 16:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
"he continues to be considered a great burglar and condemned to this day in China for the removal of countless priceless artifacts from the caves and serious damages caused to the sites."
This needs to be explained in further detail if it is to remain in the article. What is the evidence that Stein caused the damage and not the Chinese themselves? Do the Chinese demand the return of the manuscripts? I have never heard of this. If not, what makes Stein a "burglar"? Shii (tock) 19:14, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
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Googling for "Mark Aurel Stein" and "Marc Aurel Stein" seems to indicate a pretty even split once one has discounted the Wiki-derivative sites. UK sites seem to prefer Mark with a k so is this an Anglo-Hungarian spelling difference or did he change his name at some stage? Has anyone got some of his books to indicate what name he went by? adamsan 11:50, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The back cover of my Dover copy of "Ruins of Desert Cathay" spells his name "Mark". However, the British Library website for its current Silk Road exhibition spells his name "Marc". Confusingly, the BL catalogue listings for his book offer up both "Mark" and "Marc". I'd say "Marc" would be the best for now, since the BL has it twice, but I have not been able to find any record of Stein writing his own name any other way than "M. Aurel Stein". -- Radulfus 14:40, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Anybody else wondering about RL Stein? The author of the Goosebumps series.
The following is what a few of the libraries involved have decided: based on these, I'd vote for just "Aurel Stein", myself, and set up the authority record to forward all other variants to this -- prevents cross-referencing confusion, when users want to go from Wikipedia to Oxford/OLIS, say, or to any of the other libraries.
The British -- Oxford, anyway -- appear to have skipped over the Marc/Mark problem, deciding instead upon "Sir Aurel", and the French and the Americans probably just followed that. Looks like the BL simply has inter-filed everything, calling theirs an "integrated catalogue" now, relying on book title pages for their entries, probably: no idea how their authority pages work as they don't show those -- i.e. how to find all Stein entries, now?... The Hungarians, which Stein was by birth, drop Marc/Mark too, but they add an accent to Aurél: I had a Hungarian grandfather who used the "k" for his name, "Markus" -- but over there names & spellings tend to get mixed around a lot, for political & nationalist & many other reasons.
Library entries:
OK Here's a suggestion for the note, then:
Aurel Stein
(Note: per library practice at inter alia Oxford/OLIS, BnFrance/Opale, UC/Melvyl, Nat.Lib.Hungary/OSZK Katalógus Amicus, Library of Congress -- see variants in Stein's name at [Wikipedia authorities / forwarding page address])
-- I'll set this up, if there's agreement here?
-- Kessler 17:31, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
The text has no direct or connected, specific relevance to the subject, Aurel Stein. Could the author connect it to Stein or remove it? Also I'm not sure what is meant by "not consensual on that the . . ." means. : "Palaeolinguistic research is probably consensual on that the languages of the Tarim Basin originated in an extension of the Indo-Europeans that probably separated ca4000 BCE from their homeland and might have reached the Tarim Basin sometime after ca2000 BCE. These languages, which are far from identical, are now generally called Turfan and Kuchan. Tokharians or Tocharians is the Greek for probable Indo-Iranians who also separated from the Indo-European homeland (north of the Caucasus) and migrated east as far as Lake Balkash and Gansu. Subsequently (after the 4th century BCE), these Indo-Iranians, known to the Chinese as Yuezhi and as Wu Sun, were driven westwards by the Altaic Xiongnu (either Mongols or Turks). These are the Greek Tokharians, whose language is not known, and who moved in the direction of Transoxiana and south into Bactria (northern Afghanistan), but not likely to the Tarim Basin." Doc Rock 12:02, 31 August 2006
The original described Stein as a "Jewish archaeologist" which is inaccurate. Stein had converted to Christianity. He was therefore of "Jewish descent." Thus corrected. -- Iwanafish 16:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
"he continues to be considered a great burglar and condemned to this day in China for the removal of countless priceless artifacts from the caves and serious damages caused to the sites."
This needs to be explained in further detail if it is to remain in the article. What is the evidence that Stein caused the damage and not the Chinese themselves? Do the Chinese demand the return of the manuscripts? I have never heard of this. If not, what makes Stein a "burglar"? Shii (tock) 19:14, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
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