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1. I was redirected here via "Glen Oaks Fire" yet I could not estimate which of the fires was Glen Oaks. I was genuinely curious.
2. There's a "please update" stub at the top but the current pattern of behavior on Wikipedia is.. hmm, not strong. There are multiple articles whose title begins "California Wildfires of __time range__ " but some are year, some are season, and we don't have them for every year since the pattern was begun. This article is a nice readable size, maybe a policy of one page per year for this topic would be a good idea, and a category on "regional wildfire listings" could contain them - hence covering other natural disaster notes if other regions that get encyclopedic quality fires (e.g. montana has had a couple of doozies, I think Colorado is occasionally notable) have covering pages.
99.51.74.201 ( talk) 05:47, 25 July 2013 (UTC) Starshine (yeah yeah I know, I'm not logged in)
This is a huge story right now. Could someone notify a few projects or whatever so more people can add to it? Thanks. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 09:54, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
I reworded and expanded the lead, work needs to be done, mass commercial media sources tend to be very innacurate and sensationalise events such as this, so if we can stick to sources like ABC, BBC, the fire authorities themselves, government departments, etc, that'll help heaps :] Nick carson ( talk) 04:50, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
The folks over at Wikinews don't seem to have picked up on these events much, at least not yet. They do have a stub article here. Does anyone know a regular editor over there whom they could contact, or would anyone be willing to help develop that story for them concurrently with this article? Scj2315 ( talk) 06:05, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
It is now September. Have they stopped? "August 2009 California wildfires" might not be an appropriate title if they haven't but I am not very familiar with what's going on there so don't want to change it. -- can dle • wicke 20:22, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
What about the La Brea Fire earlier in the month? It was pretty notable for its size (almost 90K acres) and source (illegal marijuana plantation on National Forest land). 166.205.131.125 ( talk) 00:18, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps I am being dense, but why is the fire named the "Station fire?" Is it because of the antennas on Mt. Wilson? -- Jackbox1971 ( talk) 16:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Associated Press reported, "Some critics suggested that protests from environmentalists contributed to the disaster, which came after the brush was allowed to build up for as much as 40 years. 'This brush was ready to explode,' said Los Angeles County Supervisor Mike Antonovich, whose district overlaps the forest. 'The environmentalists have gone to the extreme to prevent controlled burns, and as a result we have this catastrophe today.' Prescribed burns are intended to protect homes and lives by eliminating fuel that can cause explosive wildfires. The wildfire that has blackened 140,000 acres - or nearly 219 square miles - in the forest over the past week has been fed by the kind of tinder-dry vegetation that prescribed burns are designed to safely devour."
I cannot add this to the article because I have been topic banned. If anyone else thinks that adding this information would improve the article, please do so. Thank you.
Grundle2600 ( talk) 14:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I apologize Grundle, obviously I have no idea about your situation so I should not have spoken out about it. I don't mind adding this reference to the article as it is from a major news organization and quotes a public official with knowledge of the situation. However, I am concerned that it not become a political statement indicting the environmental movement as a whole. So, I propose we make very clear that it is not "environmentalists" in general but rather "some environmental organizations" or something like that. Maybe we can find a source indicating which specific organizations it was so it sounds less weaselly. Sheep81 ( talk) 08:54, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
This block of text was in the lead. I removed it because it appears unsourced and a bit off topic. If someone would like to interpret the information and add it back, feel free to do so if it adds pertinent detail to the article.
"To give some estimation of what that means to a forest hydrology, or soils expert, Cptn. Bennett Evans ran a 4 square mile catchment at Plynlimon in 1968 as ranch sheep and Welsh Black cattle, with 4 square mile forest at Hafren, both used by Hydrological Research Unit to compare forest and grassland hydrologic responses (later Institute of Hydrology). If you can imagine a large part of east Pen Pumlumon Arwystli Afon Hafren and Afon Gwy catchment drainage burned off to the extent of an African bush fire, or Australia, East Twin Brook Blackdown Mendip that must have established the peat mineral charcoal researched by D. Findlay Soil Survey of England and Wales, Soils of Mendip, cited by myself as cause of the slight interflow in the Ashen Peaty Podzol headwater, then you have a little idea of California's loss, impending soil erosion and risk of landslip and flood blockage, congestion of streams (M.D. Stagg M.Sc. thesis 1974). Denver it was noted had to issue health warnings due to smoke dust from across the Sierra Nevada Rocky Mountains. The Governor and CalFire have been fighting a burn out of gully infested resource supplied fires with little assistance, but from their own people and a lot less credit than they deserve for mending a zone critical at all times. This is well over 60 Plynlimon research catchments; 0.0007 square miles for the top of East Twin Brook, burned for heather ling grazing improvement in controlled systems some decades ago." MrBell ( talk) 15:39, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
It's March 2010 now. Unless these fires have managed to burn in secret for more than half a year, the article should really be reworded in the past tense rather than the present tense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.104.167.109 ( talk) 19:56, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
The fire's cause needs to be reliably sourced. Article states that the fire was caused by arson and the arsonist started a 2nd fire 20 minutes later. The cited sources only say that arson is one (of many) possible causes. Cited sources say nothing about a second fire or point of origin. They were written while fire burned. CalFire should have determined the cause by now. 168.103.160.29 ( talk) 10:20, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
It's been over three years, but there are still a lot of "as of" references that highlight the sketchy preliminary state of information dating to the time when the fire was still burning. Particularly disappointing is the sentence: "Property owners and concerned citizens are demanding a formal Congressional investigation as to why the U.S. Forest Service did not contain the fire within the first 48 hours when it was manageable". There must be information about said hearings somewhere else in Wikipedia to bring this closer to the present. And surely someone could fill in the rest of the blanks and give some overall analysis based on what's become known since then. Chuck Entz ( talk) 08:44, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
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1. I was redirected here via "Glen Oaks Fire" yet I could not estimate which of the fires was Glen Oaks. I was genuinely curious.
2. There's a "please update" stub at the top but the current pattern of behavior on Wikipedia is.. hmm, not strong. There are multiple articles whose title begins "California Wildfires of __time range__ " but some are year, some are season, and we don't have them for every year since the pattern was begun. This article is a nice readable size, maybe a policy of one page per year for this topic would be a good idea, and a category on "regional wildfire listings" could contain them - hence covering other natural disaster notes if other regions that get encyclopedic quality fires (e.g. montana has had a couple of doozies, I think Colorado is occasionally notable) have covering pages.
99.51.74.201 ( talk) 05:47, 25 July 2013 (UTC) Starshine (yeah yeah I know, I'm not logged in)
This is a huge story right now. Could someone notify a few projects or whatever so more people can add to it? Thanks. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 09:54, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
I reworded and expanded the lead, work needs to be done, mass commercial media sources tend to be very innacurate and sensationalise events such as this, so if we can stick to sources like ABC, BBC, the fire authorities themselves, government departments, etc, that'll help heaps :] Nick carson ( talk) 04:50, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
The folks over at Wikinews don't seem to have picked up on these events much, at least not yet. They do have a stub article here. Does anyone know a regular editor over there whom they could contact, or would anyone be willing to help develop that story for them concurrently with this article? Scj2315 ( talk) 06:05, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
It is now September. Have they stopped? "August 2009 California wildfires" might not be an appropriate title if they haven't but I am not very familiar with what's going on there so don't want to change it. -- can dle • wicke 20:22, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
What about the La Brea Fire earlier in the month? It was pretty notable for its size (almost 90K acres) and source (illegal marijuana plantation on National Forest land). 166.205.131.125 ( talk) 00:18, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps I am being dense, but why is the fire named the "Station fire?" Is it because of the antennas on Mt. Wilson? -- Jackbox1971 ( talk) 16:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Associated Press reported, "Some critics suggested that protests from environmentalists contributed to the disaster, which came after the brush was allowed to build up for as much as 40 years. 'This brush was ready to explode,' said Los Angeles County Supervisor Mike Antonovich, whose district overlaps the forest. 'The environmentalists have gone to the extreme to prevent controlled burns, and as a result we have this catastrophe today.' Prescribed burns are intended to protect homes and lives by eliminating fuel that can cause explosive wildfires. The wildfire that has blackened 140,000 acres - or nearly 219 square miles - in the forest over the past week has been fed by the kind of tinder-dry vegetation that prescribed burns are designed to safely devour."
I cannot add this to the article because I have been topic banned. If anyone else thinks that adding this information would improve the article, please do so. Thank you.
Grundle2600 ( talk) 14:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I apologize Grundle, obviously I have no idea about your situation so I should not have spoken out about it. I don't mind adding this reference to the article as it is from a major news organization and quotes a public official with knowledge of the situation. However, I am concerned that it not become a political statement indicting the environmental movement as a whole. So, I propose we make very clear that it is not "environmentalists" in general but rather "some environmental organizations" or something like that. Maybe we can find a source indicating which specific organizations it was so it sounds less weaselly. Sheep81 ( talk) 08:54, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
This block of text was in the lead. I removed it because it appears unsourced and a bit off topic. If someone would like to interpret the information and add it back, feel free to do so if it adds pertinent detail to the article.
"To give some estimation of what that means to a forest hydrology, or soils expert, Cptn. Bennett Evans ran a 4 square mile catchment at Plynlimon in 1968 as ranch sheep and Welsh Black cattle, with 4 square mile forest at Hafren, both used by Hydrological Research Unit to compare forest and grassland hydrologic responses (later Institute of Hydrology). If you can imagine a large part of east Pen Pumlumon Arwystli Afon Hafren and Afon Gwy catchment drainage burned off to the extent of an African bush fire, or Australia, East Twin Brook Blackdown Mendip that must have established the peat mineral charcoal researched by D. Findlay Soil Survey of England and Wales, Soils of Mendip, cited by myself as cause of the slight interflow in the Ashen Peaty Podzol headwater, then you have a little idea of California's loss, impending soil erosion and risk of landslip and flood blockage, congestion of streams (M.D. Stagg M.Sc. thesis 1974). Denver it was noted had to issue health warnings due to smoke dust from across the Sierra Nevada Rocky Mountains. The Governor and CalFire have been fighting a burn out of gully infested resource supplied fires with little assistance, but from their own people and a lot less credit than they deserve for mending a zone critical at all times. This is well over 60 Plynlimon research catchments; 0.0007 square miles for the top of East Twin Brook, burned for heather ling grazing improvement in controlled systems some decades ago." MrBell ( talk) 15:39, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
It's March 2010 now. Unless these fires have managed to burn in secret for more than half a year, the article should really be reworded in the past tense rather than the present tense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.104.167.109 ( talk) 19:56, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
The fire's cause needs to be reliably sourced. Article states that the fire was caused by arson and the arsonist started a 2nd fire 20 minutes later. The cited sources only say that arson is one (of many) possible causes. Cited sources say nothing about a second fire or point of origin. They were written while fire burned. CalFire should have determined the cause by now. 168.103.160.29 ( talk) 10:20, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
It's been over three years, but there are still a lot of "as of" references that highlight the sketchy preliminary state of information dating to the time when the fire was still burning. Particularly disappointing is the sentence: "Property owners and concerned citizens are demanding a formal Congressional investigation as to why the U.S. Forest Service did not contain the fire within the first 48 hours when it was manageable". There must be information about said hearings somewhere else in Wikipedia to bring this closer to the present. And surely someone could fill in the rest of the blanks and give some overall analysis based on what's become known since then. Chuck Entz ( talk) 08:44, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
There is a discussion about renaming the Category:Wildfires in California by year pages from <YEAR> California wildfires to <YEAR> California wildfire season on the talk page for Talk:2015 California wildfires. If you care to participate in the discussion, please comment here (so as to keep the discussion in one location. -- Zackmann08 ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 17:47, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
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