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Please remove top box "This section needs additional citations for verification" all needed citations are inserted. ( tim362729| t )
The History section needs to be edited - very confusing at mo Paradisepark ( talk) 16:15, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.182.49.41 ( talk) 19:00, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
An employee of Atos Origin was found to have lost a USB thumb stick containg highly sensitive user information and source code for the UK governments Gateway system. someone might want to look at these links: here and here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.97.142 ( talk) 23:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
There is covering a legitimate topic and there is blatantly one-sided soapboxing. This crossed the line. Full of what appears to be anecdotal evidence, not supported by reliable sources with no expression of the opposing viewpoint in the midst of a welter of criticism. Gr1st ( talk) 19:57, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 19:32, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Atos Origin →
Atos – Over redirect. Company has changed name (legally as well as for branding purposes).
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According to a newspaper article < http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/apr/12/atos-doctors-sign-official-secrets-act>, UK Government contractors Atos have recently insisted all members of staff sign the Official Secrets Act < http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1989/6/contents>, in an apparent effort to prevent leaks of information about Atos disability assessments which are proving embarassing to the DWP minister (Ian Duncan Smith) and to them. The DWP have denied requesting their contractor do this to their staff - does anyone with knowledge of the OSA understand how criticism about the work Atos perform for the UK Government could pose a threat to national security, or why they should be making a request to members of the medical and nursing professions, who feel it will prevent them from whistleblowing in an effort to protect the health of the patients they interface with, like the suicide victims listed below ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.224.14 ( talk) 00:10, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
I agree this should be included along with a massive section on it's many failings in the media spotlight! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.31.82 ( talk) 00:24, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
After acquiring Siemens IT, the company now has 78,500 employees, according to their web site. http://atos.net/en-us/about_us/default.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.61.163.221 ( talk) 20:17, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
What's the Dr Foster stuff about? Non sequitur?
Northampton - 'deliver a solution'. Does that mean 'produce some software'? If it does, why not say so?
Notreallydavid ( talk) 03:33, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
I have deleted the huge paragraph on Atos Healthcare, because I think it is not clear and appropriate for this article. I think there has been a mistake in choice of the article: this article is about Atos global, and not Atos UK. I do not see any reason, why one third of the article should be related to a small subsidiary, that does not even represent 10% of the company's turnover.
If you look at the French version of the article, there is a link to the controversy, and a short resume. All further detaills about the controversy are already described in the article " Work Capacity Assessment".
The company is present in 66 countries in the world, and Atos UK represents only 1/8 of the value of the company (see annual report). Atos Healthcare is not even mentioned among main operating entities in the financial report 2014. For all these reasons, I think that a summary and a link are more than enough in this article.
--18:48, 1 June 2016 (UTC) 78.48.109.73 ( talk)
Sponsorship of the 2012 London Paralympics by Atos has led to a growing protest movement largely because of the number of suicides, which impartial Inquest juries in the UK have attributed to harassing and distressing techniques they use when 'assessing' people on disability benefits. should there not be a separate 'controversies' section for this firm? The entry appears biased without one. For example,
Two cases of benefit cut related suicides involving ex-British services personnel are poor Mr. David Sanderson of Southfield (< http://www.wandsworthguardian.co.uk/news/9215292.Dad_committed_suicide_after_housing_benefit_cut/>), and Army Veteran Mark and Helen Mullins of Bedworth( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8878543/Poverty-suicide-couple-had-warned-of-hopeless-situation.html) . Another pensioner is mentioned in a later section. Then, there are the disabled suicides,such as Paul Willcoxson, 33, of Corby, Northants, who according to his suicide note, was worried about benefit cuts when he hung himself in April. And Elaine Christian, 57, of Hull, who according to reports of an inquest in July, was worried about a meeting to assess her disability benefits. She was found drowned in a drain with ten self-inflicted cuts to her wrist and had taken painkillers < http://www.cloggie.org/proggold/2011/12/06/welfare-reform-kills/> . The Taxpayer's burden was further relieved in March 2010, when Vicky Harrison, a 21-year-old, took her life with a massive overdose of drugs in Darwen, Lancashire. < http://wsws.org/articles/2011/may2011/suic-m18.shtml>. + Arguably, if such people do commit suicides, they are no longer a burden on the UK taxpayer, and Atos assessments will indeed, be of enormous benefit to the public purse - but was the risk of suicide not forseen by Atos ? Another 10 benefit-cuts related suicides are:-
1. < http://www.thisishampshire.net/news/9095159.Jobseeker_took_own_life/> 2. < http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/no…s-leanne-chambers-72703-27003699/> 3. < http://news.scotsman.com/arts/Aut…suicide-39due-to-slash.6438473.jp> 4. & 5. < http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment…n/07/mother-suicide-welfare-state> 6. < http://www.thisishullandeastridin…/story-12927176-detail/story.html> 7. < http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/investi…/2011/02/sick-who-gives-atos.html> 8. < http://www.guardian.co.uk/politic…rnment-reform-disability-benefits> 9. < http://www.consumeractiongroup.co…elp-me-take-Atos-and-DWP-to-court> 10. < http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-…ad-family-claims-115875-23147158/> 11. Addition to Deaths 4 & 5 Above. Mother was pregnant so her unborn baby died as well. http://www.thefreelibrary.com/PRE…TO+DEATH+HOLDING+SON.-a0213434697 Plus an example of fatal Atos misdiagnosis at < http://www.guardian.co.uk/society…l/24/atos-case-study-larry-newman>. To avoid allegations that this entry is little more than an advertisement for a private company, perhaps you should include coverage of claims of Corporate Manslaughter against Atos for failing to adequately assess the mental health impact of the way they treat disabled former tax payers when assessing them as 'fit to work'. 212.139.103.26 ( talk) 14:40, 4 April 2012 (UTC)twl 212.139.103.26 ( talk) 14:40, 4 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.231.241 ( talk)
01/09/2012: According to the BBC, Atos were 'occupied' today by around 150 disabled individuals, who were protesting about the standard of Atos fitness for work assessments, the fact that appeals currently leave people without any money for around a year, and the large number of suicides already caused. The link is here < http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19437785> - the protest comes a day after the death of Celia Burns, who, despite being terminally ill with cancer, was judged to be 'fit to work' by Atos and had her income reduced by £30 a week - the last year of her life- only to win her appeal and have her benefit reinstated just in time to pay for her funeral. "I was treated badly. I've been working since I was 17, I've paid all my stamps, all my National Insurance. The only time I was ever sick was when I was pregnant with my two sons" she can be quoted as saying in this BBC interview - < http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19433535>. 00:10, 1 September 2012 (UTC)twl 79.70.232.67 ( talk) 00:10, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
Are Atos involved with disability assessments for the Italian Government? Or in any other European countries? 80.42.236.201 ( talk) 02:16, 13 March 2012 (UTC)twl 80.42.236.201 ( talk) 02:16, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
With its specific, well reported role in the UK DWP's medical assessments, I'm wondering whether it will be beneficial to create a standalone Wikipedia article about Atos Healthcare. It is beginning to take up a disproportionate part of the Atos article.
Obviously, during the process the current content on the subject will need to be cleaned up and properly sourced. Sionk ( talk) 22:48, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Someone added a NPOV template to the Atos Healthcare section in April 2012 but there seems to be no attempt to resolve the problem. Is there still a problem? All I can see at the moment is a few areas that could be tightened up/edited to be less 'wordy'. And I'm not sure we have enough information about this BMJ report/article (source #45) to identify it, considering it is referred to in a number of places. Sionk ( talk) 01:49, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
Changes are executed and citations added. ( tim362729| t )
In my opinion the Atos Healthcare part does not belong in the intro of this page. This means that all other companies of atos should be mentioned in the intro. Please remove from intro, because Atos Heathcare does have its own strongly indicated section further down on the page. So it is infact not a removel. For the Mycar under "Corporate Responsibility" I will look for other citations or mentions.
( tim362729| t ) —Preceding undated comment added 13:44, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
a — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.17.240.231 ( talk) 09:52, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
I've added a " original research?" template to the 'Accessibility of facilities' sub-section (of Atos Healthcare), because it lacks reliable secondary sources. It currently looks as if someone has gone through the Atos Healthcare website analysing parking facilities, then synthesised this with a description of the requirements of DDA. Maybe someone can add reliable secondary sources that show this is a widespread complaint and valid for its own section? Sionk ( talk) 10:59, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
I would like to make the following edit to the Atos wiki page. In the introduction the second paragraph immediately introduces the topic of Atos UK and Atos Healthcare without any prior explanation of how the company is organized. I would therefore request that, in order to make the position of Atos UK and Atos Healthcare clear, that we move the para below from the Company Information section and insert it above the mention of Atos in the UK. ( tim362729| t ) 14:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
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Please add to top para
Copy of section "Atos is currently No. 8...Technology; Energy & Utilities." on top of the page paragraph behind the paragraph that ends with "...numerous clients globally." and before the paragraph that starts with "In the UK, the company ..." ( tim362729| t ) 14:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Secondly, with regard to the para on Atos in the UK, I would like to requested some changes. This is to make clear that in the UK Atos is actually know more as a general supplier of IT services rather than a supplier of healthcare services. Also, in the interest of balance, we would like to add that Atos is also favorably received in some quarters such as the Royal College of Physicians. ( tim362729| t ) 14:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
So please use this copy: In the UK, the company are known for their work as Atos Healthcare, a division of Atos that is one of the UK’s largest occupational health providers, providing services for over 1 million people. They achieved SEQOHS accreditation in October 2012, something which is managed by the Royal College of Physicians (RCP) on behalf of the Faculty of Occupational Medicine (FOM). [1] This division has attracted criticism for its management of the Work Capability Assessment on behalf of the Department of Work and Pensions - and particularly for its role in implementing and conducting disability benefit assessments, [2] designed by the UK Government and introduced through the Parliamentary process regarding the DWP's criteria for the treatment of disabled people.[3][4] Atos have been targeted in the media,[5][6] in Parliament,[7] by the medical profession,[8] and by numerous protest groups.[9][10][11]
Also in the interests of factual clarity, we would like to add a reference from the DWP which makes it clear that the policy that Atos is implementing is actually a policy designed by the UK Government and introduced through the Parliamentary process and not a policy of Atos itself. Finally, again in the interest of balance for the Olympic Games section, we would like to add a reference from the Guardian newspaper. ( tim362729| t ) 14:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
So please add this copy: However, in an article with the Guardian newspaper in the UK, [3] Sir Philip Craven, President of the International Paralympic Committee (IPC), said that the IPC valued its links with Atos and indicated that they were satisfied with Atos’ involvement with the International Paralympic Committee. ( tim362729| t ) 14:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
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1. Move copy first paragraph from "Company information" and add to the "intro section" at the top of the page as a second paragraph. Final result: "Atos is currently No. 8 in the Worldwide IT services market; and No. 2 in the European market, behind only IBM.[1][24] The company is listed on Euronext Paris and a constituent of the CAC Mid 60 stock market index. It operates under the brands Atos, Atos Consulting & Technology Services, Atos Worldline and Atos Worldgrid. Atos, through the Schlumberger Sema's acquisition, was involved in previous Games during the 1990s, starting with the Barcelona Olympic Games in 1992. Atos has an annual 2011 proforma revenue of EUR 8.5 billion and 74,000 employees in 48 countries.[citation needed] Serving a global client base, it delivers transactional services, consulting and technology services, systems integration and managed services. It works with clients across the following market sectors: Manufacturing, Retail, Services; Public, Health & Transports; Financial Services; Telecoms, Media & Technology; Energy & Utilities." ( tim362729| t ) 18:00, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
It has been quite for a while. Can one of the Wikipedian tell me if there is still something wrong in the Request for edit? Can someone explain to me why it is not procesed? Are these changes considered as ok? ( tim362729| t ) 15:20, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
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Hi tim362729, while I don't think your suggestion above is a suitable move, I would agree that the lead section is lacking substance. Maybe adding some of the salient facts,for example the date Atos was founded and its various trading names, would be beneficial. Sionk ( talk) 15:58, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Rewrite second paragraph from "intro-section" to clearify that Atos Healthcare is doing more. 1. remove the word "primarily" from first sentence. 2. add explaining copy "is one of the UK’s largest occupational health providers, providing services for over 1 million people. They achieved SEQOHS accreditation in October 2012, something which is managed by the Royal College of Physicians (RCP) on behalf of the Faculty of Occupational Medicine (FOM)." 3. add resource [1] 4. remove the word "sustained" - The word is not sourced and it is misleading. 5. add the "and conducting disability benefit assessments" 6. add resource [1] 7. add the copy "designed by the UK Government and introduced through the Parliamentary process."
Final result: "In the UK, the company are known primarily for their work as Atos Healthcare, a division of Atos that is one of the UK’s largest occupational health providers, providing services for over 1 million people. They achieved SEQOHS accreditation in October 2012, something which is managed by the Royal College of Physicians (RCP) on behalf of the Faculty of Occupational Medicine (FOM). [2]. This division has attracted sustained criticism for its management of the Work Capability Assessment on behalf of the Department of Work and Pensions - and particularly for its role in implementing and conducting disability benefit assessments [3], designed by the UK Government and introduced through the Parliamentary process regarding the DWP's criteria for the treatment of disabled people.[3][4] Atos have been targeted in the media,[5][6] in Parliament,[7] by the medical profession,[8] and by numerous protest groups.[9][10][11]"
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It has been quite for a while. Can one of the Wikipedian tell me if there is still something wrong in the Request for edit? Can someone explain to me why it is not procesed? Are these changes considered as ok? ( tim362729| t ) 15:23, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Comment - I agree the second sentence needs an explanation, rather than launching straight into a complex sentence about a government study (the study would be better moved to the body of the article).
As for your proposals for paragraph one, they are sourced to a press release. Wikipedia articles aren't platforms for press releases. However, I can see an argument for mentioning Atos's other operating names, international scope of work and number of employees, for example. They will give a better idea, to the casual reader, of what Atos is. Maybe there are some better sources available than the press release? Sionk ( talk) 13:07, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
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Some factual information for the infobox or business profile should be updated: Type of organization from Société Anonyme to SE = Societas Europaea, [1] image of HQ
of employees, [2] financial figures are to be abstracted from same 2012 Registration Document. New financial figures 2012, Revenue €8,844 million, Operating income €381 million, Net income €224 millions, Total assets €7,447 million, Total equity €2,379 million, Employees 76,417
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I am storing this content here, because it appears to be well-sourced, but is written in such a way that it would need to be re-written before it would be an improvement to keep it. As I'm just giving the article a once-over, I'll post it here for anyone who's up to improving it. CorporateM ( Talk) 17:01, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
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Atos’ Zero Email initiative comes in response to the challenges organizations face as a result of the continuing explosion in data and seeks to find a better way to communicate and collaborate. [1] The announcement from CEO Thierry Breton on 7 February 2011, has generated a heated debate about its presumed benefits and feasibility. [2] [3] [4] In turn, Atos has emphasized that its desire is actually to reduce internal emails to zero and concentrated on acquiring the expertise required to implement such an approach, such as with the acquisition of the small, French provider of SaaS-based online community solutions, blueKiwi. [5] [6] blueKiwi’s technology is designed to support online communities both inside and outside the organisation, but most of the company’s customers use it for internal collaboration. [7] In November 2012, Atos announced the release of blueKiwi ZEN as part of its SaaS enterprise social software. [8] According to Computer World UK, [9] ZEN is provided out of Atos’ cloud infrastructure platform dubbed Canopy and includes new collaboration capabilities and native mobile applications for iOS, Android, and BlackBerry. Atos has said that it will roll out ZEN globally to transform its business into a "social organisation", which it hopes will provide a better work–life balance for employees. |
The above is, in my opinion, a better (and still very friendly) mention of the so-called 'Zero Email initiative' than the present text. It may be significant that 'Zero Email' is never heard of anymore. BlueKiwi is an additional means of communication amidst old-fashioned conversation, telephony and email, of which the added value is questionable. In practice, mails were sent around to make people aware of something new on BlueKiwi - which provoked the comment 'Tell me directly, instead of referring me to a place where the news is to be found!'. Anyway, as a replacement of email it is useless. BFFQ ( talk) 02:25, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
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The intro currently reads like an advertisement for their stock (because it is) and does not summarise the article at all. It does not mention their controversy, the actual work they do (just a pack of buzzwords) and appears grossly biased. Can somebody more physically able than I actually make an intro that summarises the major points of the article and is not just the introduction to their corporate about page [1] copied to the head of a Wikipedia article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mycosys ( talk • contribs) 21:10, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
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The Atos Healthcare entry under Controversy seems to have been thoroughly sanitised. It is currently impossible to tell that the confrontation was with disabled people and in the media rather than with Parliament or auditors. The article also fails to reflect that, rather than DWP negotiating an early exit as stated, Atos' reputation was being so damaged by the success of disabled people in revealing repeated malpractise by Atos employed assessors that Atos asked to be released from a contract valued at over £500m, and in fact bought their way out, as noted by the Minister for Disabled People and quoted in https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/27/atos-quite-work-capability-assessment-contract-early. Note also that Atos Healthcare retains contracts for Personal Independence Payments and that criticism of their performance by disabled people continues. DG 82.24.122.84 ( talk) 21:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
..Indeed. THere should be mention in the article that Atos still does Personal Independence Payments 78.149.210.244 ( talk) 06:13, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
About Atos Origin "Atos Origin, an international IT services provider, enables customers to translate their vision into results through consulting, systems integration and managed operations. Atos Origin realizes an annual turnover of 5.4 billion euros, and has over 50,000 employees worldwide. Atos Origin is the global information technology partner for the Olympic Games and has an international clientele. Atos Origin is listed on the Paris Eurolist Market and operates as Atos Origin, Atos Euronext Market Solutions, Atos Worldline and Atos Consulting." [1] Oceanflynn ( talk) 13:18, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
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This section looks as if it has been copied from an Atos press release! There is some factual data in it, but much of the content, as well as the wording makes the impression of an advertorial. In particular: "a powerful combination with a highly complementary portfolio", "a powerful suite of digital and proprietary solutions recognized by top analysts as being among the most advanced", "will significantly strengthen the Group’s Business & Platform Solutions Division", "best in class platform", etc. The text should be condensed and rewritten in a more factual and objective manner. It is alright to mention the company's motives for an acquisition, but it should be clear that this does not concern facts. For example, the last statements could be rephrased as "Atos aims to strengthen its position in North America, in particular in the Banking, Finance & Insurance sector." 02:00, 23 December 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BFFQ ( talk • contribs)
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Please remove top box "This section needs additional citations for verification" all needed citations are inserted. ( tim362729| t )
The History section needs to be edited - very confusing at mo Paradisepark ( talk) 16:15, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.182.49.41 ( talk) 19:00, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
An employee of Atos Origin was found to have lost a USB thumb stick containg highly sensitive user information and source code for the UK governments Gateway system. someone might want to look at these links: here and here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.97.142 ( talk) 23:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
There is covering a legitimate topic and there is blatantly one-sided soapboxing. This crossed the line. Full of what appears to be anecdotal evidence, not supported by reliable sources with no expression of the opposing viewpoint in the midst of a welter of criticism. Gr1st ( talk) 19:57, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 19:32, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Atos Origin →
Atos – Over redirect. Company has changed name (legally as well as for branding purposes).
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According to a newspaper article < http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/apr/12/atos-doctors-sign-official-secrets-act>, UK Government contractors Atos have recently insisted all members of staff sign the Official Secrets Act < http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1989/6/contents>, in an apparent effort to prevent leaks of information about Atos disability assessments which are proving embarassing to the DWP minister (Ian Duncan Smith) and to them. The DWP have denied requesting their contractor do this to their staff - does anyone with knowledge of the OSA understand how criticism about the work Atos perform for the UK Government could pose a threat to national security, or why they should be making a request to members of the medical and nursing professions, who feel it will prevent them from whistleblowing in an effort to protect the health of the patients they interface with, like the suicide victims listed below ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.224.14 ( talk) 00:10, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
I agree this should be included along with a massive section on it's many failings in the media spotlight! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.31.82 ( talk) 00:24, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
After acquiring Siemens IT, the company now has 78,500 employees, according to their web site. http://atos.net/en-us/about_us/default.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.61.163.221 ( talk) 20:17, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
What's the Dr Foster stuff about? Non sequitur?
Northampton - 'deliver a solution'. Does that mean 'produce some software'? If it does, why not say so?
Notreallydavid ( talk) 03:33, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
I have deleted the huge paragraph on Atos Healthcare, because I think it is not clear and appropriate for this article. I think there has been a mistake in choice of the article: this article is about Atos global, and not Atos UK. I do not see any reason, why one third of the article should be related to a small subsidiary, that does not even represent 10% of the company's turnover.
If you look at the French version of the article, there is a link to the controversy, and a short resume. All further detaills about the controversy are already described in the article " Work Capacity Assessment".
The company is present in 66 countries in the world, and Atos UK represents only 1/8 of the value of the company (see annual report). Atos Healthcare is not even mentioned among main operating entities in the financial report 2014. For all these reasons, I think that a summary and a link are more than enough in this article.
--18:48, 1 June 2016 (UTC) 78.48.109.73 ( talk)
Sponsorship of the 2012 London Paralympics by Atos has led to a growing protest movement largely because of the number of suicides, which impartial Inquest juries in the UK have attributed to harassing and distressing techniques they use when 'assessing' people on disability benefits. should there not be a separate 'controversies' section for this firm? The entry appears biased without one. For example,
Two cases of benefit cut related suicides involving ex-British services personnel are poor Mr. David Sanderson of Southfield (< http://www.wandsworthguardian.co.uk/news/9215292.Dad_committed_suicide_after_housing_benefit_cut/>), and Army Veteran Mark and Helen Mullins of Bedworth( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8878543/Poverty-suicide-couple-had-warned-of-hopeless-situation.html) . Another pensioner is mentioned in a later section. Then, there are the disabled suicides,such as Paul Willcoxson, 33, of Corby, Northants, who according to his suicide note, was worried about benefit cuts when he hung himself in April. And Elaine Christian, 57, of Hull, who according to reports of an inquest in July, was worried about a meeting to assess her disability benefits. She was found drowned in a drain with ten self-inflicted cuts to her wrist and had taken painkillers < http://www.cloggie.org/proggold/2011/12/06/welfare-reform-kills/> . The Taxpayer's burden was further relieved in March 2010, when Vicky Harrison, a 21-year-old, took her life with a massive overdose of drugs in Darwen, Lancashire. < http://wsws.org/articles/2011/may2011/suic-m18.shtml>. + Arguably, if such people do commit suicides, they are no longer a burden on the UK taxpayer, and Atos assessments will indeed, be of enormous benefit to the public purse - but was the risk of suicide not forseen by Atos ? Another 10 benefit-cuts related suicides are:-
1. < http://www.thisishampshire.net/news/9095159.Jobseeker_took_own_life/> 2. < http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/no…s-leanne-chambers-72703-27003699/> 3. < http://news.scotsman.com/arts/Aut…suicide-39due-to-slash.6438473.jp> 4. & 5. < http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment…n/07/mother-suicide-welfare-state> 6. < http://www.thisishullandeastridin…/story-12927176-detail/story.html> 7. < http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/investi…/2011/02/sick-who-gives-atos.html> 8. < http://www.guardian.co.uk/politic…rnment-reform-disability-benefits> 9. < http://www.consumeractiongroup.co…elp-me-take-Atos-and-DWP-to-court> 10. < http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-…ad-family-claims-115875-23147158/> 11. Addition to Deaths 4 & 5 Above. Mother was pregnant so her unborn baby died as well. http://www.thefreelibrary.com/PRE…TO+DEATH+HOLDING+SON.-a0213434697 Plus an example of fatal Atos misdiagnosis at < http://www.guardian.co.uk/society…l/24/atos-case-study-larry-newman>. To avoid allegations that this entry is little more than an advertisement for a private company, perhaps you should include coverage of claims of Corporate Manslaughter against Atos for failing to adequately assess the mental health impact of the way they treat disabled former tax payers when assessing them as 'fit to work'. 212.139.103.26 ( talk) 14:40, 4 April 2012 (UTC)twl 212.139.103.26 ( talk) 14:40, 4 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.231.241 ( talk)
01/09/2012: According to the BBC, Atos were 'occupied' today by around 150 disabled individuals, who were protesting about the standard of Atos fitness for work assessments, the fact that appeals currently leave people without any money for around a year, and the large number of suicides already caused. The link is here < http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19437785> - the protest comes a day after the death of Celia Burns, who, despite being terminally ill with cancer, was judged to be 'fit to work' by Atos and had her income reduced by £30 a week - the last year of her life- only to win her appeal and have her benefit reinstated just in time to pay for her funeral. "I was treated badly. I've been working since I was 17, I've paid all my stamps, all my National Insurance. The only time I was ever sick was when I was pregnant with my two sons" she can be quoted as saying in this BBC interview - < http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19433535>. 00:10, 1 September 2012 (UTC)twl 79.70.232.67 ( talk) 00:10, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
Are Atos involved with disability assessments for the Italian Government? Or in any other European countries? 80.42.236.201 ( talk) 02:16, 13 March 2012 (UTC)twl 80.42.236.201 ( talk) 02:16, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
With its specific, well reported role in the UK DWP's medical assessments, I'm wondering whether it will be beneficial to create a standalone Wikipedia article about Atos Healthcare. It is beginning to take up a disproportionate part of the Atos article.
Obviously, during the process the current content on the subject will need to be cleaned up and properly sourced. Sionk ( talk) 22:48, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Someone added a NPOV template to the Atos Healthcare section in April 2012 but there seems to be no attempt to resolve the problem. Is there still a problem? All I can see at the moment is a few areas that could be tightened up/edited to be less 'wordy'. And I'm not sure we have enough information about this BMJ report/article (source #45) to identify it, considering it is referred to in a number of places. Sionk ( talk) 01:49, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
Changes are executed and citations added. ( tim362729| t )
In my opinion the Atos Healthcare part does not belong in the intro of this page. This means that all other companies of atos should be mentioned in the intro. Please remove from intro, because Atos Heathcare does have its own strongly indicated section further down on the page. So it is infact not a removel. For the Mycar under "Corporate Responsibility" I will look for other citations or mentions.
( tim362729| t ) —Preceding undated comment added 13:44, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
a — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.17.240.231 ( talk) 09:52, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
I've added a " original research?" template to the 'Accessibility of facilities' sub-section (of Atos Healthcare), because it lacks reliable secondary sources. It currently looks as if someone has gone through the Atos Healthcare website analysing parking facilities, then synthesised this with a description of the requirements of DDA. Maybe someone can add reliable secondary sources that show this is a widespread complaint and valid for its own section? Sionk ( talk) 10:59, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
I would like to make the following edit to the Atos wiki page. In the introduction the second paragraph immediately introduces the topic of Atos UK and Atos Healthcare without any prior explanation of how the company is organized. I would therefore request that, in order to make the position of Atos UK and Atos Healthcare clear, that we move the para below from the Company Information section and insert it above the mention of Atos in the UK. ( tim362729| t ) 14:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
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Please add to top para
Copy of section "Atos is currently No. 8...Technology; Energy & Utilities." on top of the page paragraph behind the paragraph that ends with "...numerous clients globally." and before the paragraph that starts with "In the UK, the company ..." ( tim362729| t ) 14:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Secondly, with regard to the para on Atos in the UK, I would like to requested some changes. This is to make clear that in the UK Atos is actually know more as a general supplier of IT services rather than a supplier of healthcare services. Also, in the interest of balance, we would like to add that Atos is also favorably received in some quarters such as the Royal College of Physicians. ( tim362729| t ) 14:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
So please use this copy: In the UK, the company are known for their work as Atos Healthcare, a division of Atos that is one of the UK’s largest occupational health providers, providing services for over 1 million people. They achieved SEQOHS accreditation in October 2012, something which is managed by the Royal College of Physicians (RCP) on behalf of the Faculty of Occupational Medicine (FOM). [1] This division has attracted criticism for its management of the Work Capability Assessment on behalf of the Department of Work and Pensions - and particularly for its role in implementing and conducting disability benefit assessments, [2] designed by the UK Government and introduced through the Parliamentary process regarding the DWP's criteria for the treatment of disabled people.[3][4] Atos have been targeted in the media,[5][6] in Parliament,[7] by the medical profession,[8] and by numerous protest groups.[9][10][11]
Also in the interests of factual clarity, we would like to add a reference from the DWP which makes it clear that the policy that Atos is implementing is actually a policy designed by the UK Government and introduced through the Parliamentary process and not a policy of Atos itself. Finally, again in the interest of balance for the Olympic Games section, we would like to add a reference from the Guardian newspaper. ( tim362729| t ) 14:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
So please add this copy: However, in an article with the Guardian newspaper in the UK, [3] Sir Philip Craven, President of the International Paralympic Committee (IPC), said that the IPC valued its links with Atos and indicated that they were satisfied with Atos’ involvement with the International Paralympic Committee. ( tim362729| t ) 14:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
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1. Move copy first paragraph from "Company information" and add to the "intro section" at the top of the page as a second paragraph. Final result: "Atos is currently No. 8 in the Worldwide IT services market; and No. 2 in the European market, behind only IBM.[1][24] The company is listed on Euronext Paris and a constituent of the CAC Mid 60 stock market index. It operates under the brands Atos, Atos Consulting & Technology Services, Atos Worldline and Atos Worldgrid. Atos, through the Schlumberger Sema's acquisition, was involved in previous Games during the 1990s, starting with the Barcelona Olympic Games in 1992. Atos has an annual 2011 proforma revenue of EUR 8.5 billion and 74,000 employees in 48 countries.[citation needed] Serving a global client base, it delivers transactional services, consulting and technology services, systems integration and managed services. It works with clients across the following market sectors: Manufacturing, Retail, Services; Public, Health & Transports; Financial Services; Telecoms, Media & Technology; Energy & Utilities." ( tim362729| t ) 18:00, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
It has been quite for a while. Can one of the Wikipedian tell me if there is still something wrong in the Request for edit? Can someone explain to me why it is not procesed? Are these changes considered as ok? ( tim362729| t ) 15:20, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
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MOS:LEAD. Copy-pasting a dense paragraph of statistics from the body of the article doesn't fulfill that purpose. Sionk ( talk) 15:58, 22 February 2013 (UTC) |
Hi tim362729, while I don't think your suggestion above is a suitable move, I would agree that the lead section is lacking substance. Maybe adding some of the salient facts,for example the date Atos was founded and its various trading names, would be beneficial. Sionk ( talk) 15:58, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Rewrite second paragraph from "intro-section" to clearify that Atos Healthcare is doing more. 1. remove the word "primarily" from first sentence. 2. add explaining copy "is one of the UK’s largest occupational health providers, providing services for over 1 million people. They achieved SEQOHS accreditation in October 2012, something which is managed by the Royal College of Physicians (RCP) on behalf of the Faculty of Occupational Medicine (FOM)." 3. add resource [1] 4. remove the word "sustained" - The word is not sourced and it is misleading. 5. add the "and conducting disability benefit assessments" 6. add resource [1] 7. add the copy "designed by the UK Government and introduced through the Parliamentary process."
Final result: "In the UK, the company are known primarily for their work as Atos Healthcare, a division of Atos that is one of the UK’s largest occupational health providers, providing services for over 1 million people. They achieved SEQOHS accreditation in October 2012, something which is managed by the Royal College of Physicians (RCP) on behalf of the Faculty of Occupational Medicine (FOM). [2]. This division has attracted sustained criticism for its management of the Work Capability Assessment on behalf of the Department of Work and Pensions - and particularly for its role in implementing and conducting disability benefit assessments [3], designed by the UK Government and introduced through the Parliamentary process regarding the DWP's criteria for the treatment of disabled people.[3][4] Atos have been targeted in the media,[5][6] in Parliament,[7] by the medical profession,[8] and by numerous protest groups.[9][10][11]"
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It has been quite for a while. Can one of the Wikipedian tell me if there is still something wrong in the Request for edit? Can someone explain to me why it is not procesed? Are these changes considered as ok? ( tim362729| t ) 15:23, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Comment - I agree the second sentence needs an explanation, rather than launching straight into a complex sentence about a government study (the study would be better moved to the body of the article).
As for your proposals for paragraph one, they are sourced to a press release. Wikipedia articles aren't platforms for press releases. However, I can see an argument for mentioning Atos's other operating names, international scope of work and number of employees, for example. They will give a better idea, to the casual reader, of what Atos is. Maybe there are some better sources available than the press release? Sionk ( talk) 13:07, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
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Some factual information for the infobox or business profile should be updated: Type of organization from Société Anonyme to SE = Societas Europaea, [1] image of HQ
of employees, [2] financial figures are to be abstracted from same 2012 Registration Document. New financial figures 2012, Revenue €8,844 million, Operating income €381 million, Net income €224 millions, Total assets €7,447 million, Total equity €2,379 million, Employees 76,417
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I am storing this content here, because it appears to be well-sourced, but is written in such a way that it would need to be re-written before it would be an improvement to keep it. As I'm just giving the article a once-over, I'll post it here for anyone who's up to improving it. CorporateM ( Talk) 17:01, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
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Atos’ Zero Email initiative comes in response to the challenges organizations face as a result of the continuing explosion in data and seeks to find a better way to communicate and collaborate. [1] The announcement from CEO Thierry Breton on 7 February 2011, has generated a heated debate about its presumed benefits and feasibility. [2] [3] [4] In turn, Atos has emphasized that its desire is actually to reduce internal emails to zero and concentrated on acquiring the expertise required to implement such an approach, such as with the acquisition of the small, French provider of SaaS-based online community solutions, blueKiwi. [5] [6] blueKiwi’s technology is designed to support online communities both inside and outside the organisation, but most of the company’s customers use it for internal collaboration. [7] In November 2012, Atos announced the release of blueKiwi ZEN as part of its SaaS enterprise social software. [8] According to Computer World UK, [9] ZEN is provided out of Atos’ cloud infrastructure platform dubbed Canopy and includes new collaboration capabilities and native mobile applications for iOS, Android, and BlackBerry. Atos has said that it will roll out ZEN globally to transform its business into a "social organisation", which it hopes will provide a better work–life balance for employees. |
The above is, in my opinion, a better (and still very friendly) mention of the so-called 'Zero Email initiative' than the present text. It may be significant that 'Zero Email' is never heard of anymore. BlueKiwi is an additional means of communication amidst old-fashioned conversation, telephony and email, of which the added value is questionable. In practice, mails were sent around to make people aware of something new on BlueKiwi - which provoked the comment 'Tell me directly, instead of referring me to a place where the news is to be found!'. Anyway, as a replacement of email it is useless. BFFQ ( talk) 02:25, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
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The intro currently reads like an advertisement for their stock (because it is) and does not summarise the article at all. It does not mention their controversy, the actual work they do (just a pack of buzzwords) and appears grossly biased. Can somebody more physically able than I actually make an intro that summarises the major points of the article and is not just the introduction to their corporate about page [1] copied to the head of a Wikipedia article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mycosys ( talk • contribs) 21:10, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
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The Atos Healthcare entry under Controversy seems to have been thoroughly sanitised. It is currently impossible to tell that the confrontation was with disabled people and in the media rather than with Parliament or auditors. The article also fails to reflect that, rather than DWP negotiating an early exit as stated, Atos' reputation was being so damaged by the success of disabled people in revealing repeated malpractise by Atos employed assessors that Atos asked to be released from a contract valued at over £500m, and in fact bought their way out, as noted by the Minister for Disabled People and quoted in https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/27/atos-quite-work-capability-assessment-contract-early. Note also that Atos Healthcare retains contracts for Personal Independence Payments and that criticism of their performance by disabled people continues. DG 82.24.122.84 ( talk) 21:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
..Indeed. THere should be mention in the article that Atos still does Personal Independence Payments 78.149.210.244 ( talk) 06:13, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
About Atos Origin "Atos Origin, an international IT services provider, enables customers to translate their vision into results through consulting, systems integration and managed operations. Atos Origin realizes an annual turnover of 5.4 billion euros, and has over 50,000 employees worldwide. Atos Origin is the global information technology partner for the Olympic Games and has an international clientele. Atos Origin is listed on the Paris Eurolist Market and operates as Atos Origin, Atos Euronext Market Solutions, Atos Worldline and Atos Consulting." [1] Oceanflynn ( talk) 13:18, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
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This section looks as if it has been copied from an Atos press release! There is some factual data in it, but much of the content, as well as the wording makes the impression of an advertorial. In particular: "a powerful combination with a highly complementary portfolio", "a powerful suite of digital and proprietary solutions recognized by top analysts as being among the most advanced", "will significantly strengthen the Group’s Business & Platform Solutions Division", "best in class platform", etc. The text should be condensed and rewritten in a more factual and objective manner. It is alright to mention the company's motives for an acquisition, but it should be clear that this does not concern facts. For example, the last statements could be rephrased as "Atos aims to strengthen its position in North America, in particular in the Banking, Finance & Insurance sector." 02:00, 23 December 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BFFQ ( talk • contribs)