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Since the Atlantic and Coastal divisions exist for football only, shouldn't the member list present all members in a single, alphabetical list? — C.Fred ( talk) 23:59, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
NERD VANDALISM!! "Einstein/Hawkings Bowl"... Cute!! :-p —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.59.247 ( talk) 08:49, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
There are an excessive number of navboxes at the bottom of this article. I think the article would be best served by removing all but the top-level boxes (ACC Members & FBS Members). If there aren't any objections, I'll get to this. MTR ( talk) 03:58, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for clarification. I knew they had more listed, but I see NCAA Championships is different than National Championships. Dgreco
The '24 Basketball Championship is not an "NCAA Championship" and should not be reflected as such as doing so demeans the accomplishments of Rosenbluth, Quigg, Jordan, Smith, Williams, et. al. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.77.49.100 ( talk) 19:56, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Yes, technically North Carolina is the defending champion, since they won the 2008 tournament. However, it seems skewed to list that in the 2009 champion table. It seems to make the most sense to leave the spot blank until Sunday, when the 2009 conference champion is determined. Is there a good reason to list otherwise? — C.Fred ( talk) 02:29, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
This sentence was newly added to the article:
It originally asserted "only NCAA conference"; I added the text "Division I", because there is a D-III conference that uses non-geographic division names. However, my source for this information is searching football, basketball, and hockey standings tables - i.e., original research. Has anybody seen this assertion in print? — C.Fred ( talk) 17:01, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
in addition to the basketball championship won yesterday, they won a national championship in platform Diving last week.
source - http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=27943&SPID=2182&DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=204918139 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.68.91.130 ( talk) 21:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
I thought it would be a good idea to add another table to the Current Champions section showing the number of championships each school has won during the current academic year. But I wasn't sure if that was forbidden for some reason, so I thought I'd ask here. Just seemed like the kind of thing people would be interested in, and the current format doesn't allow you to really easily count them up yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.250.151 ( talk) 14:15, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone make a change to the map and make it simpler and easy to Understand. I recommend making it similar to the Big Ten's map on wikipedia. All one color for the states that have ACC teams. Then use three different color dots where the actual universities are located. One color signifying the "Atlantic Division" and one color signifying the "Coastal Division" and a third for Pittsburgh and Syracuse signifying "To Be Determined". I don't know how much work this is but who ever has done the other conferences does a great job (I just wish the ACC map was easier to read. I hope this helps.-- Craiglduncan ( talk) 16:01, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Given the uncertainty about the date of entry for Pitt and Syracuse, should they be listed on the timeline at all yet? — C.Fred ( talk) 22:13, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Please stop edit warring. If you don't like another editor reverting your input, the appropriate response is not to simply revert it back, but to take your case to this talk page per WP:BRD. Doing it that way seems like vandalism. Also, please, anyone who reverts edits should put a reason why in their edit summary. Even if it is somewhat obvious why, it would still be helpful to put something there even if it is just for vandalism. As far as the input of the Endowments in a separate table, I really don't think that is needed. Partly since the article is primarily about an athletic conference and because the info was already there. Thank you. -- JoannaSerah ( talk) 18:37, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Currently, the infobox uses this information for the ACC's regions:
I do not agree with these definitions. I have lived most of my life in Maryland and I have always heard it referred to as a mid-Atlantic state. The state of Virginia is also considered mid-Atlantic most of the time. Even North Carolina is considered mid-Atlantic by some folks. The only time I hear Maryland referred to as "south" is when someone is distinguishing the south from the north (and not calling anything mid-Atlantic).
I'm aware that the US Census' "South Atlantic" area includes Maryland, Delaware and Virginia, but that doesn't mean we have to use that definition. If you say to someone in Georgia that Maryland is "south Atlantic" they'll laugh at you.
I propose we either use these regions:
... or just go back to using the "East Coast of the United States" for the entire group. Calling Maryland "south Atlantic" is something that many people will disagree with. Mdak06 ( talk) 01:25, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
Three (2.5) ACC basketball players repeated as ACC Athlete of the Year according to the unsourced article. However, that means that Christian Laettner and Phil Ford were overall ACC AOY more than they were the Atlantic Coast Conference Men's Basketball Player of the Year. That does not make sense. Charlie Ward is the third guy. I'd appreciate assistance from anyone that knows a source for this award.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 18:02, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that conferences in List of NCAA conferences have articles, usually including a membership timeline. While some of the decisions made for each conference make some sense, there is a wide variety of styles for the various timelines, particularly involving color choices, but also other matters of style that could be more consistent.
for example, a school with a yellow bar means:
Some graphs have captions, some do not, and none are centered.
To see the variety of styles, review
Current conference timelines
I think it would be worth discussing how best to provide some measure of consistency, recognizing that there may be legitimate reasons for some differences from a standard presentation (for example, some conferences show the name of the new conference for former members. In some cases, this makes sense, in other, it may not.)
I've produced a draft of how the timelines would look with some consistency added. Please see Draft proposal of conference timelines.
I propose a discussion to see if there is consensus on improving the consistency.
Because it would not be practical to have this discussion on each and every conference talk page, I suggest centralizing thie discussion at the Talk page of Project College football SPhilbrick (Talk) 01:28, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
See the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College baseball#Standardize conference pages' facility sections.
Hi, I am wondering if it would better serve the average person going to this pagee if all the states that had ACC Schools were put in same Uniform Color instead of four separate colors for each division, both division & future members. You see the ACC actually sponsors a total of 25 sports. Only 2 even have divisions while 23 of the 25 sports do not separate into Divisions.
I agree with your thinking. Keep New York and Pennsylvania purple until July 1, 2013. I also think the second map is perfect as is. Do you know who can make the change to the map?-- Craiglduncan ( talk) 18:08, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
A discussion on the Project College Football talk page has been created to discuss the proper format of the overview maps that are used for the US collegiate athletic conference pages.
If you're interested, please join the discussion here: Athletic conference overview maps and their lack of consistency
I see this article was recently revised to include all the schools' logos. My understanding is that Wikipedia policies require a fair use statement for each because they're subject to copyright and trademark protection, and my review of the logos indicates this wasn't done. Someone needs to prepare the appropriate statements or else the logos probably need to be deleted. My gut feeling is that they're unnecessary in this article, but I didn't want to jump in and delete them in case someone has the fair use rationales in mind and plans to deal with that issue. I'll give it until Wednesday (March 27) to see whether the deficiency is fixed. 1995hoo ( talk) 21:09, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
What's the timetable for updating the current champions table? It's set up for Spring 2012, but Spring 2013 championships are starting to be awarded: NC State won the softball championship today. — C.Fred ( talk) 00:20, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
In the Member schools section, members are currently broken down by Atlantic and Coastal divisions, with Notre Dame listed as a non-football member. This leads to inconstancies since divisions are also used for baseball, for which ND will be assigned to the Atlantic, as well as the fact that all other sports compete in one division, including basketball. It also has the added benefit of making the table sortable. Therefore, I'm going to remove the division and alphabetize members ala the manner in which they are listed in the Big Ten article, as one cohesive list. Divisions can then be listed, as appropriate, under each applicable sport subtopic. CrazyPaco ( talk) 02:44, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Please join discussion at the College Basketball Wikiproject for forming a consensus on the creation of a basic navbox for college basketball teams. CrazyPaco ( talk) 06:15, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
I don't think so. The added table is duplicative with the SAT scores. I'm not sure why Freshman retention rate or graduation rate get highlighted over a myriad of other metrics. And I am lost as to why there are comparisons to the other P5 conferences, since the conferences don't really have anything to do with these metrics. The public ivy statement is also misleading. CrazyPaco ( talk) 02:53, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
This section now exists in multiple conference articles. Please join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football to help improve this content. UW Dawgs ( talk) 06:28, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Are the populations necessary (or follow a necessary custom for charts like this)? If the point of putting the populations on the chart is to show comparative potential fan bases, the population of Coral Gables hardly reflects the population of nearby Miami (which the Univ. of Miami is named after), and Chestnut Hill's population is dwarfed by Boston (which Boston College is named after). NewkirkPlaza ( talk) 04:04, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
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Maybe I missed it in a key somewhere but what do the shaded green boxes signify in the tables for Men’s and Women’s Sports offered by each school? 108.17.133.84 ( talk) 22:24, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
The Capital One Cup article says Notre Dame won the men's cup for 2022. Do we have a full table and, more importantly, a source so we can add it here? — C.Fred ( talk) 13:22, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
It looks like the Membership Map has been updated to included SMU, Cal and Stanford with "in 2024" notation, but Cal and Stanford are not showing up on the map itself (even though they were included in the map update).
Is there an error in the updated text for the Membership Map, or is there a limitation that only 16 points can be listed on the map? If someone knows how to fix this map, it would be appreciated. Peter-T ( talk) 22:53, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
IagoQnsi's failed first map attempts
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Since there is now a variable schedule for the future, I am putting this template here and in some of the team talk pages so fans can input their future schedules. The vertical format used for non-conference schedules was almost impossible to edit because there was no year included in the body of the table. This horizontal format shows all games in a given year in order. Have fun with the input.
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Information is available at: https://theacc.com/news/2023/10/30/acc-announces-future-conference-football-schedule-model.aspx and at FBS Schedules.com Deanrah ( talk) 15:14, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
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Since the Atlantic and Coastal divisions exist for football only, shouldn't the member list present all members in a single, alphabetical list? — C.Fred ( talk) 23:59, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
NERD VANDALISM!! "Einstein/Hawkings Bowl"... Cute!! :-p —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.59.247 ( talk) 08:49, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
There are an excessive number of navboxes at the bottom of this article. I think the article would be best served by removing all but the top-level boxes (ACC Members & FBS Members). If there aren't any objections, I'll get to this. MTR ( talk) 03:58, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for clarification. I knew they had more listed, but I see NCAA Championships is different than National Championships. Dgreco
The '24 Basketball Championship is not an "NCAA Championship" and should not be reflected as such as doing so demeans the accomplishments of Rosenbluth, Quigg, Jordan, Smith, Williams, et. al. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.77.49.100 ( talk) 19:56, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Yes, technically North Carolina is the defending champion, since they won the 2008 tournament. However, it seems skewed to list that in the 2009 champion table. It seems to make the most sense to leave the spot blank until Sunday, when the 2009 conference champion is determined. Is there a good reason to list otherwise? — C.Fred ( talk) 02:29, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
This sentence was newly added to the article:
It originally asserted "only NCAA conference"; I added the text "Division I", because there is a D-III conference that uses non-geographic division names. However, my source for this information is searching football, basketball, and hockey standings tables - i.e., original research. Has anybody seen this assertion in print? — C.Fred ( talk) 17:01, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
in addition to the basketball championship won yesterday, they won a national championship in platform Diving last week.
source - http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=27943&SPID=2182&DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=204918139 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.68.91.130 ( talk) 21:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
I thought it would be a good idea to add another table to the Current Champions section showing the number of championships each school has won during the current academic year. But I wasn't sure if that was forbidden for some reason, so I thought I'd ask here. Just seemed like the kind of thing people would be interested in, and the current format doesn't allow you to really easily count them up yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.250.151 ( talk) 14:15, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone make a change to the map and make it simpler and easy to Understand. I recommend making it similar to the Big Ten's map on wikipedia. All one color for the states that have ACC teams. Then use three different color dots where the actual universities are located. One color signifying the "Atlantic Division" and one color signifying the "Coastal Division" and a third for Pittsburgh and Syracuse signifying "To Be Determined". I don't know how much work this is but who ever has done the other conferences does a great job (I just wish the ACC map was easier to read. I hope this helps.-- Craiglduncan ( talk) 16:01, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Given the uncertainty about the date of entry for Pitt and Syracuse, should they be listed on the timeline at all yet? — C.Fred ( talk) 22:13, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Please stop edit warring. If you don't like another editor reverting your input, the appropriate response is not to simply revert it back, but to take your case to this talk page per WP:BRD. Doing it that way seems like vandalism. Also, please, anyone who reverts edits should put a reason why in their edit summary. Even if it is somewhat obvious why, it would still be helpful to put something there even if it is just for vandalism. As far as the input of the Endowments in a separate table, I really don't think that is needed. Partly since the article is primarily about an athletic conference and because the info was already there. Thank you. -- JoannaSerah ( talk) 18:37, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Currently, the infobox uses this information for the ACC's regions:
I do not agree with these definitions. I have lived most of my life in Maryland and I have always heard it referred to as a mid-Atlantic state. The state of Virginia is also considered mid-Atlantic most of the time. Even North Carolina is considered mid-Atlantic by some folks. The only time I hear Maryland referred to as "south" is when someone is distinguishing the south from the north (and not calling anything mid-Atlantic).
I'm aware that the US Census' "South Atlantic" area includes Maryland, Delaware and Virginia, but that doesn't mean we have to use that definition. If you say to someone in Georgia that Maryland is "south Atlantic" they'll laugh at you.
I propose we either use these regions:
... or just go back to using the "East Coast of the United States" for the entire group. Calling Maryland "south Atlantic" is something that many people will disagree with. Mdak06 ( talk) 01:25, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
Three (2.5) ACC basketball players repeated as ACC Athlete of the Year according to the unsourced article. However, that means that Christian Laettner and Phil Ford were overall ACC AOY more than they were the Atlantic Coast Conference Men's Basketball Player of the Year. That does not make sense. Charlie Ward is the third guy. I'd appreciate assistance from anyone that knows a source for this award.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 18:02, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that conferences in List of NCAA conferences have articles, usually including a membership timeline. While some of the decisions made for each conference make some sense, there is a wide variety of styles for the various timelines, particularly involving color choices, but also other matters of style that could be more consistent.
for example, a school with a yellow bar means:
Some graphs have captions, some do not, and none are centered.
To see the variety of styles, review
Current conference timelines
I think it would be worth discussing how best to provide some measure of consistency, recognizing that there may be legitimate reasons for some differences from a standard presentation (for example, some conferences show the name of the new conference for former members. In some cases, this makes sense, in other, it may not.)
I've produced a draft of how the timelines would look with some consistency added. Please see Draft proposal of conference timelines.
I propose a discussion to see if there is consensus on improving the consistency.
Because it would not be practical to have this discussion on each and every conference talk page, I suggest centralizing thie discussion at the Talk page of Project College football SPhilbrick (Talk) 01:28, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
See the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College baseball#Standardize conference pages' facility sections.
Hi, I am wondering if it would better serve the average person going to this pagee if all the states that had ACC Schools were put in same Uniform Color instead of four separate colors for each division, both division & future members. You see the ACC actually sponsors a total of 25 sports. Only 2 even have divisions while 23 of the 25 sports do not separate into Divisions.
I agree with your thinking. Keep New York and Pennsylvania purple until July 1, 2013. I also think the second map is perfect as is. Do you know who can make the change to the map?-- Craiglduncan ( talk) 18:08, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
A discussion on the Project College Football talk page has been created to discuss the proper format of the overview maps that are used for the US collegiate athletic conference pages.
If you're interested, please join the discussion here: Athletic conference overview maps and their lack of consistency
I see this article was recently revised to include all the schools' logos. My understanding is that Wikipedia policies require a fair use statement for each because they're subject to copyright and trademark protection, and my review of the logos indicates this wasn't done. Someone needs to prepare the appropriate statements or else the logos probably need to be deleted. My gut feeling is that they're unnecessary in this article, but I didn't want to jump in and delete them in case someone has the fair use rationales in mind and plans to deal with that issue. I'll give it until Wednesday (March 27) to see whether the deficiency is fixed. 1995hoo ( talk) 21:09, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
What's the timetable for updating the current champions table? It's set up for Spring 2012, but Spring 2013 championships are starting to be awarded: NC State won the softball championship today. — C.Fred ( talk) 00:20, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
In the Member schools section, members are currently broken down by Atlantic and Coastal divisions, with Notre Dame listed as a non-football member. This leads to inconstancies since divisions are also used for baseball, for which ND will be assigned to the Atlantic, as well as the fact that all other sports compete in one division, including basketball. It also has the added benefit of making the table sortable. Therefore, I'm going to remove the division and alphabetize members ala the manner in which they are listed in the Big Ten article, as one cohesive list. Divisions can then be listed, as appropriate, under each applicable sport subtopic. CrazyPaco ( talk) 02:44, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Please join discussion at the College Basketball Wikiproject for forming a consensus on the creation of a basic navbox for college basketball teams. CrazyPaco ( talk) 06:15, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
I don't think so. The added table is duplicative with the SAT scores. I'm not sure why Freshman retention rate or graduation rate get highlighted over a myriad of other metrics. And I am lost as to why there are comparisons to the other P5 conferences, since the conferences don't really have anything to do with these metrics. The public ivy statement is also misleading. CrazyPaco ( talk) 02:53, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
This section now exists in multiple conference articles. Please join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football to help improve this content. UW Dawgs ( talk) 06:28, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Are the populations necessary (or follow a necessary custom for charts like this)? If the point of putting the populations on the chart is to show comparative potential fan bases, the population of Coral Gables hardly reflects the population of nearby Miami (which the Univ. of Miami is named after), and Chestnut Hill's population is dwarfed by Boston (which Boston College is named after). NewkirkPlaza ( talk) 04:04, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
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Weigh in at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Atlantic Coast Conference. CrazyPaco ( talk) 04:22, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
Maybe I missed it in a key somewhere but what do the shaded green boxes signify in the tables for Men’s and Women’s Sports offered by each school? 108.17.133.84 ( talk) 22:24, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
The Capital One Cup article says Notre Dame won the men's cup for 2022. Do we have a full table and, more importantly, a source so we can add it here? — C.Fred ( talk) 13:22, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
It looks like the Membership Map has been updated to included SMU, Cal and Stanford with "in 2024" notation, but Cal and Stanford are not showing up on the map itself (even though they were included in the map update).
Is there an error in the updated text for the Membership Map, or is there a limitation that only 16 points can be listed on the map? If someone knows how to fix this map, it would be appreciated. Peter-T ( talk) 22:53, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
IagoQnsi's failed first map attempts
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I never bothered to add most of the schools because I ran into the Tobacco Road issues first. Here's the first try, with all the labels on top of each other: And here's the second try, with a separate map for North Carolina: |
Since there is now a variable schedule for the future, I am putting this template here and in some of the team talk pages so fans can input their future schedules. The vertical format used for non-conference schedules was almost impossible to edit because there was no year included in the body of the table. This horizontal format shows all games in a given year in order. Have fun with the input.
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Information is available at: https://theacc.com/news/2023/10/30/acc-announces-future-conference-football-schedule-model.aspx and at FBS Schedules.com Deanrah ( talk) 15:14, 4 November 2023 (UTC)