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Greetings, I would like to state that the climate description of Athens is somewhat too extensive and thus tiring for the average reader to keep his attention. There are too many details in a disorganized manner and on top of that, some arguments appear to be disputed or even wrong. I will present a list of what I think should be changed, feel free to state your opinions:
1. in the 1st paragraph description is being repetitive over the areas to the south and some details are imo unecessary
2. the claim of an average annual temperature of 19.8 is most likely wrong and the source (#20) misinterpreted, as it does not clarify which of the 2 areas (Athens basin or southern Crete) actually has such annual average, while 99% likely it refers to the latter since no station in Athens with at least 20 years of data comes anywhere close to this value
3. Athens is warm indeed, but it has potential rivals on whether it is the warmest city in continental Europe, both within Greece and not (e.g. Piraeus, its port city and Seville and Almeria, Spain) which should be also mentioned
4. in the 2nd paragraph, the rain shadow effect also applies for the mountains to its north (Parnitha, Dirfys), it probably wouldn't be difficult to find a source on this
5. it's again being repetitive regarding industrialization which was also mentioned in the 1st paragraph
6. I suggest internal links should be provided when mentioning north and south parts of the metro area, like Kifisia for the north and Piraeus or Elliniko for the south
7. regarding snow description, again too many unecessary details without a clear statement about the actual snowfall frequency and intensity
8. in the 3rd paragraph, I believe the description of the urban heat island (UHI) could be summerized in a somewhat smaller text as it's again being a little repetitive using 2 long sentences.
9. furthermore, the source claiming that some stations do not experience UHI is perhaps too old and contradicted by the source #20 which clearly states the strong effect of UHI in the greater Athens basin area
10. in the last small paragraph, it should be clarified that both Eleusina and Tatoi are parts of Athens metro area and not suburbs
Syllynqt (
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I think most editors realize now that you can't cover modern Athens and ancient Athens in the same breath. I think History of Athens was broken out of here but the break was imperfect. Too much ancient history remains here, not to mention the population of ancient Athens. We need a sharper break which I propose to make. I start by cutting the ancient history out of the "Name" section. No, I'm not going to do this on a painful line-by-line basis. See my sandbox page3 for Athens and my sandbox Page 4 for History of Athens. There is another item. The 10-year Copenhagen Study obsoleted a lot of ideas about the polis. It isn't, for example, per se a city-state. You can find my rewrite of Polis in my sandbox page2. Don't expect too much of these rewrites at first. However you are welcome to comment on any of it. I listen to everything. Botteville ( talk) 10:20, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
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Hallo, are there any informations about the Malakasa Camp or Malakasa refugee reception centre nearby Athens? -- WillkoCultEur2000 ( talk) 16:37, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Is it 3.8 million (2023) or 3,638,281 (2021)? The lead has both figures in paragraphs 2 and 3. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:30, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
how many typos there are it's ridiculous. 2603:6011:8200:1191:3881:3950:110D:8775 ( talk) 13:02, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
Please add this topic too 2409:40E3:101F:95BA:91CF:A9FD:D944:9AA7 ( talk) 06:25, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
If the old names were Ἀθῆναι and Ἀθήνη, how come we've got Αθήνα now? Either Αθήνη or Αθήνες would be expected (rebracketings "Setines, Satine, and Astines" mentioned in the last section seem to confirm this). Is the some sort of hypercorrection from the times of Katharevousa? 89.64.69.83 ( talk) 03:18, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
This is definitely not AIA photo:
Athens#/media/File:Greece-0028 (2215861772).jpg 2A02:85F:F8C6:5B00:7F:66FF:6668:12D7 ( talk) 23:50, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
i’ve heard once that Athens is bordering on semi arid climate, and I think it was even written in here. דולב חולב ( talk) 13:39, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
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Greetings, I would like to state that the climate description of Athens is somewhat too extensive and thus tiring for the average reader to keep his attention. There are too many details in a disorganized manner and on top of that, some arguments appear to be disputed or even wrong. I will present a list of what I think should be changed, feel free to state your opinions:
1. in the 1st paragraph description is being repetitive over the areas to the south and some details are imo unecessary
2. the claim of an average annual temperature of 19.8 is most likely wrong and the source (#20) misinterpreted, as it does not clarify which of the 2 areas (Athens basin or southern Crete) actually has such annual average, while 99% likely it refers to the latter since no station in Athens with at least 20 years of data comes anywhere close to this value
3. Athens is warm indeed, but it has potential rivals on whether it is the warmest city in continental Europe, both within Greece and not (e.g. Piraeus, its port city and Seville and Almeria, Spain) which should be also mentioned
4. in the 2nd paragraph, the rain shadow effect also applies for the mountains to its north (Parnitha, Dirfys), it probably wouldn't be difficult to find a source on this
5. it's again being repetitive regarding industrialization which was also mentioned in the 1st paragraph
6. I suggest internal links should be provided when mentioning north and south parts of the metro area, like Kifisia for the north and Piraeus or Elliniko for the south
7. regarding snow description, again too many unecessary details without a clear statement about the actual snowfall frequency and intensity
8. in the 3rd paragraph, I believe the description of the urban heat island (UHI) could be summerized in a somewhat smaller text as it's again being a little repetitive using 2 long sentences.
9. furthermore, the source claiming that some stations do not experience UHI is perhaps too old and contradicted by the source #20 which clearly states the strong effect of UHI in the greater Athens basin area
10. in the last small paragraph, it should be clarified that both Eleusina and Tatoi are parts of Athens metro area and not suburbs
Syllynqt (
talk) 07:51, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
I think most editors realize now that you can't cover modern Athens and ancient Athens in the same breath. I think History of Athens was broken out of here but the break was imperfect. Too much ancient history remains here, not to mention the population of ancient Athens. We need a sharper break which I propose to make. I start by cutting the ancient history out of the "Name" section. No, I'm not going to do this on a painful line-by-line basis. See my sandbox page3 for Athens and my sandbox Page 4 for History of Athens. There is another item. The 10-year Copenhagen Study obsoleted a lot of ideas about the polis. It isn't, for example, per se a city-state. You can find my rewrite of Polis in my sandbox page2. Don't expect too much of these rewrites at first. However you are welcome to comment on any of it. I listen to everything. Botteville ( talk) 10:20, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
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Hallo, are there any informations about the Malakasa Camp or Malakasa refugee reception centre nearby Athens? -- WillkoCultEur2000 ( talk) 16:37, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Is it 3.8 million (2023) or 3,638,281 (2021)? The lead has both figures in paragraphs 2 and 3. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:30, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
how many typos there are it's ridiculous. 2603:6011:8200:1191:3881:3950:110D:8775 ( talk) 13:02, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
Please add this topic too 2409:40E3:101F:95BA:91CF:A9FD:D944:9AA7 ( talk) 06:25, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
If the old names were Ἀθῆναι and Ἀθήνη, how come we've got Αθήνα now? Either Αθήνη or Αθήνες would be expected (rebracketings "Setines, Satine, and Astines" mentioned in the last section seem to confirm this). Is the some sort of hypercorrection from the times of Katharevousa? 89.64.69.83 ( talk) 03:18, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
This is definitely not AIA photo:
Athens#/media/File:Greece-0028 (2215861772).jpg 2A02:85F:F8C6:5B00:7F:66FF:6668:12D7 ( talk) 23:50, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
i’ve heard once that Athens is bordering on semi arid climate, and I think it was even written in here. דולב חולב ( talk) 13:39, 11 March 2024 (UTC)