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I'd do this myself, except that the page histories are such a mess that my privileges aren't sufficient to sort the whole thing out. No such thing as "ASCII spelling" exists; ASCII is an encoding mechanism, and the backtick, apparently used here to represent a glottal stop, has no meaning on its own—least of all in the English language. The English name of this well-known deity is most commonly Astarte (through the Greek) but more accurately Ashtart; both of these are widely used by scholars and either are thoroughly acceptable to me. ADH ( t& m) 11:25, Jan 15, 2005 (UTC)
I went to implement this, but got blocked by the compression bug. I feel there is significant history to Astarte so the following steps should be taken:
- UtherSRG 14:42, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
I've done a swap of the pages - I couldn't see much point waiting with the page in the 'wrong' place. if anyone feels strongly about merging edit histories, delete Astarte, move `Ashtart over it and undelete - but you'll need to wait for the compression bug to be sorted out first. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:48, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Judging from the archeological context, the image used in the infobox rather obviously isn't Astarte, who is not exactly known for her association with Babylon. Joan Goodnick Westenholz identified it as completely unrelated Nanaya, see here, p. 184; the article is open access. It should be removed from the article altogether. Not every goddess is Astarte, and this one isn't even from the right part of the world.
Given the iconographic record, I would argue going with an Egyptian depiction would be a sound move for the infobox, similarly as in the case of Resheph or Hauron, since due to Egyptian artistic conventions depictions of deities are more likely to be identified with certainty, as discussed ex. by Izak Cornelius. HaniwaEnthusiast ( talk) 14:10, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: SNOW Close, Universal opposition, nominator has moved their position to neutral ( non-admin closure) Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 18:27, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Astarte → ʿAṯtart – The current page name is a Greek form of this ancient West Asian goddess's name. The native Proto-Semitic form of her name is ʿAṯtart, and all the other recorded variants of her name in various languages are derived from it. Therefore, I am proposing that Astarte be renamed to ʿAṯtart. Antiquistik ( talk) 21:23, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
In some cases of romanisation of Phoenician in the article, some of the vowels are spelt out and others are not: miqdōš bnʾ la-ʿAštōrt št Baʿl bnʾ bʿlʾ ha-Myddm . This is odd and confusing and I've never seen such a thing in a proper scholarly text on the subject. It should be either a consistent transliteration with no vowels or, more problematically, a consistent transcription of the reconstructed pronunciation with all the vowels. 87.126.21.225 ( talk) 21:20, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Added Voltaire's use of the name Astarté in his work Zadig to the " In popular culture section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mfryc ( talk • contribs) 03:55, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Changed Greek form of Astarte from Ασταρτη to Ἀστάρτη (added breathing and accent mark). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mfryc ( talk • contribs) 04:02, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
While perusing the article, I noticed a number of obscure names used in place of more commonly-used variants (for example: Pitaḥ instead of Ptah, Sūtaẖ instead of Set/Sutekh, Knmt instead of Kharga, Pisīḏat instead of Ennead/Pesedjet). I'm unsure of why this is, and would like to know if it would be favorable to change them to the more commonly-used names of these subjects under WP:COMMONNAME. Also to note is that the transliteration of certain names appears to be potentially conjectural or WP:OR such as Pisīḏat, though presently don't have access to all of the sources cited to be sure. Star11308 ( talk) 17:26, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
At the time and date I'm typing this, both "Canaanites" and "Phoenicians" have hot-links that end up in the same place: /info/en/?search=Canaanite_religion If that's really the way it's supposed to be, then how about combining "Canannites and Phoenicians" into one hotlinked blue/purple phrase that leads to that link. It's rather misleading to imply that two nouns are going to link to two different articles. 2600:1700:6759:B000:E894:BFCC:705D:880 ( talk) 07:12, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Christopher Lawrence Simpson
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(from WP:RM)
I'd do this myself, except that the page histories are such a mess that my privileges aren't sufficient to sort the whole thing out. No such thing as "ASCII spelling" exists; ASCII is an encoding mechanism, and the backtick, apparently used here to represent a glottal stop, has no meaning on its own—least of all in the English language. The English name of this well-known deity is most commonly Astarte (through the Greek) but more accurately Ashtart; both of these are widely used by scholars and either are thoroughly acceptable to me. ADH ( t& m) 11:25, Jan 15, 2005 (UTC)
I went to implement this, but got blocked by the compression bug. I feel there is significant history to Astarte so the following steps should be taken:
- UtherSRG 14:42, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
I've done a swap of the pages - I couldn't see much point waiting with the page in the 'wrong' place. if anyone feels strongly about merging edit histories, delete Astarte, move `Ashtart over it and undelete - but you'll need to wait for the compression bug to be sorted out first. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:48, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Judging from the archeological context, the image used in the infobox rather obviously isn't Astarte, who is not exactly known for her association with Babylon. Joan Goodnick Westenholz identified it as completely unrelated Nanaya, see here, p. 184; the article is open access. It should be removed from the article altogether. Not every goddess is Astarte, and this one isn't even from the right part of the world.
Given the iconographic record, I would argue going with an Egyptian depiction would be a sound move for the infobox, similarly as in the case of Resheph or Hauron, since due to Egyptian artistic conventions depictions of deities are more likely to be identified with certainty, as discussed ex. by Izak Cornelius. HaniwaEnthusiast ( talk) 14:10, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: SNOW Close, Universal opposition, nominator has moved their position to neutral ( non-admin closure) Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 18:27, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Astarte → ʿAṯtart – The current page name is a Greek form of this ancient West Asian goddess's name. The native Proto-Semitic form of her name is ʿAṯtart, and all the other recorded variants of her name in various languages are derived from it. Therefore, I am proposing that Astarte be renamed to ʿAṯtart. Antiquistik ( talk) 21:23, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
In some cases of romanisation of Phoenician in the article, some of the vowels are spelt out and others are not: miqdōš bnʾ la-ʿAštōrt št Baʿl bnʾ bʿlʾ ha-Myddm . This is odd and confusing and I've never seen such a thing in a proper scholarly text on the subject. It should be either a consistent transliteration with no vowels or, more problematically, a consistent transcription of the reconstructed pronunciation with all the vowels. 87.126.21.225 ( talk) 21:20, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Added Voltaire's use of the name Astarté in his work Zadig to the " In popular culture section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mfryc ( talk • contribs) 03:55, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Changed Greek form of Astarte from Ασταρτη to Ἀστάρτη (added breathing and accent mark). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mfryc ( talk • contribs) 04:02, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
While perusing the article, I noticed a number of obscure names used in place of more commonly-used variants (for example: Pitaḥ instead of Ptah, Sūtaẖ instead of Set/Sutekh, Knmt instead of Kharga, Pisīḏat instead of Ennead/Pesedjet). I'm unsure of why this is, and would like to know if it would be favorable to change them to the more commonly-used names of these subjects under WP:COMMONNAME. Also to note is that the transliteration of certain names appears to be potentially conjectural or WP:OR such as Pisīḏat, though presently don't have access to all of the sources cited to be sure. Star11308 ( talk) 17:26, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
At the time and date I'm typing this, both "Canaanites" and "Phoenicians" have hot-links that end up in the same place: /info/en/?search=Canaanite_religion If that's really the way it's supposed to be, then how about combining "Canannites and Phoenicians" into one hotlinked blue/purple phrase that leads to that link. It's rather misleading to imply that two nouns are going to link to two different articles. 2600:1700:6759:B000:E894:BFCC:705D:880 ( talk) 07:12, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Christopher Lawrence Simpson