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Sorry, but shouldn't be belong with the entertainers? highlunder 09:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
It depends how you see it, but I probably would say that he should belong to the entertainers. He's doing some kind of poetry and also singing, but have also done some comedysketches. The TriZ ( talk) 15:47, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Dbachmann ( talk · contribs) are implicating that the Assyrian/Syriacs in Sweden are divided in two groups, Arameanists and Assyrianists. This is however not true, there is Syrianer (Syriacs) and Assyrier (Assyrians). The term "Arameans" in Sweden is not used in a greater extent, it is only used to describe the decendants of the Syriac group, the Arameans. The TriZ ( talk) 14:04, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
well, cool, then let us see evidence of the existence of two groups. The Swedish census afaics is aware of one group, which it calls "syrianer/assyrier" because they can't agree on a name. Give us reliable sources confirming the existence of two distinct groups in Sweden, and you'll have my full support here. I simply note that sv-wiki has sv:Kategori:Assyrier/syrianer, but neither sv:Kategori:Syrianer nor sv:Kategori:Assyrier -- exactly in line with my impression that this is a single group with a slash in its official name. (Se Kategori:Assyrien för den antika folkgruppen, och Kategori:Syrier för personer från Syrien. just like our Category:Assyria and Category:Syrian people)-- dab (𒁳) 14:14, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh yes, the group in Sweden is seen as one. This is not what I'm talking about.
"The dividing line in Sweden between Aramaenists and Assyrianists lies between the partly religiously defined group: Aramaeanists, who are Syriac Orthodox Christians, and the more politically determined category: Assyrianists, whose members belong to several different Christian beliefs (the majority of whom are also Syriac Orthodox), but whose religious affiliation is toned down.[2]"
Arameanists is not a more religiously defined group, Syriacs are. In Sweden there are Syriacs (Syrianer) and Assyrians (Assyrians), they are by the Swedish governemnt seen as one people, Assyrier/syrianer. The conflict is between the Syriacs and the Assyrians, where all of the Syriacs believe in a Aramean identity. The TriZ ( talk) 14:28, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
you keep confusing the actual group with the two ideological factions within the group. Of course a faction is also a "group", but they aren't in any way an ethnic group, they are just a bunch of people happening to share an opinion. The point is that the Arameanist faction calls the entire group "Syrianer", while the Assyrianist faction calls the entire group "Assyrier". The actual group referred to by these two names is one and the same. -- dab (𒁳) 15:02, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
The Swedish word for "Assyrians" is "Assyrier", not "Assyrianer". It is the same as the word in English, "Syrianer" is really "Syrier". But just as the "Syrian" has been changed to "Syriac" to detach from the people of Syria, "Syrier" has been changed to "Syrianer". The TriZ ( talk) 15:33, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
First of all, dbachmann, shame on you for focusing on continually renaming this article rather than cleaning up poor writing and grammatical errors. I did read the article, apparently you never read it thoroughly enough.
Second, it does not matter what the Swedish term for this ethnic group is, on the English Wikipedia. This article should be at Assyrians in Sweden in line with all other similar articles and according to WPMOS. -- Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) ( talk) 06:08, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
it's stupid, I agree, but it't not currently an edit war. Thanks to about a year's effort I invested in documenting this nonsense and reviewing all possible and impossible angles of WP:NAME. If you have a reasonable suggestion for a rename, let's hear it, but make it very well referenced please. -- dab (𒁳) 17:38, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
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I did not mean that any Assyrians came from Cyprus, I meant that the Cyprus dispute should be added as reason why they left. As for Lebanon, it wasn't just temporary refugees only. Most fled Seyfo and their children and grandchildren were born in Lebanon; Fares Fares, Josef Fares and Aboud Zazi are examples of Assyrians from Sweden with grandparents or great grandparents who fled to Lebanon during Seyfo. These Assyrians probably came from different countries, not just modern Turkey. Shmayo ( talk) 19:39, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
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User:MaronitePride's number 4 above; removal of some supposed 1100 Muslims under "Religion". Joshua Project claims that there are 1150 Hertevin speakers and that they are Muslims. I can't see what this has do with Assyrians in Sweden? Secondly, they are wrong. Speakers of Hertevin are Chaldean Catholic. Otto Jastrow, who discovered the dialect, writes on page 18 in "Der neuaramäische Dialekt von Hertevin (Provinz Siirt)" (1988): "Dieser dialekt wurde von chaldäischen Christen, den Undergebenen eines Kurdenaghas, in dem Dorf Hertevin, einige Kilometer westlich von Pervari, Provinz Siirt gesprochen." Shmayo ( talk) 15:12, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
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Sorry, but shouldn't be belong with the entertainers? highlunder 09:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
It depends how you see it, but I probably would say that he should belong to the entertainers. He's doing some kind of poetry and also singing, but have also done some comedysketches. The TriZ ( talk) 15:47, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Dbachmann ( talk · contribs) are implicating that the Assyrian/Syriacs in Sweden are divided in two groups, Arameanists and Assyrianists. This is however not true, there is Syrianer (Syriacs) and Assyrier (Assyrians). The term "Arameans" in Sweden is not used in a greater extent, it is only used to describe the decendants of the Syriac group, the Arameans. The TriZ ( talk) 14:04, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
well, cool, then let us see evidence of the existence of two groups. The Swedish census afaics is aware of one group, which it calls "syrianer/assyrier" because they can't agree on a name. Give us reliable sources confirming the existence of two distinct groups in Sweden, and you'll have my full support here. I simply note that sv-wiki has sv:Kategori:Assyrier/syrianer, but neither sv:Kategori:Syrianer nor sv:Kategori:Assyrier -- exactly in line with my impression that this is a single group with a slash in its official name. (Se Kategori:Assyrien för den antika folkgruppen, och Kategori:Syrier för personer från Syrien. just like our Category:Assyria and Category:Syrian people)-- dab (𒁳) 14:14, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh yes, the group in Sweden is seen as one. This is not what I'm talking about.
"The dividing line in Sweden between Aramaenists and Assyrianists lies between the partly religiously defined group: Aramaeanists, who are Syriac Orthodox Christians, and the more politically determined category: Assyrianists, whose members belong to several different Christian beliefs (the majority of whom are also Syriac Orthodox), but whose religious affiliation is toned down.[2]"
Arameanists is not a more religiously defined group, Syriacs are. In Sweden there are Syriacs (Syrianer) and Assyrians (Assyrians), they are by the Swedish governemnt seen as one people, Assyrier/syrianer. The conflict is between the Syriacs and the Assyrians, where all of the Syriacs believe in a Aramean identity. The TriZ ( talk) 14:28, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
you keep confusing the actual group with the two ideological factions within the group. Of course a faction is also a "group", but they aren't in any way an ethnic group, they are just a bunch of people happening to share an opinion. The point is that the Arameanist faction calls the entire group "Syrianer", while the Assyrianist faction calls the entire group "Assyrier". The actual group referred to by these two names is one and the same. -- dab (𒁳) 15:02, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
The Swedish word for "Assyrians" is "Assyrier", not "Assyrianer". It is the same as the word in English, "Syrianer" is really "Syrier". But just as the "Syrian" has been changed to "Syriac" to detach from the people of Syria, "Syrier" has been changed to "Syrianer". The TriZ ( talk) 15:33, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
First of all, dbachmann, shame on you for focusing on continually renaming this article rather than cleaning up poor writing and grammatical errors. I did read the article, apparently you never read it thoroughly enough.
Second, it does not matter what the Swedish term for this ethnic group is, on the English Wikipedia. This article should be at Assyrians in Sweden in line with all other similar articles and according to WPMOS. -- Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) ( talk) 06:08, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
it's stupid, I agree, but it't not currently an edit war. Thanks to about a year's effort I invested in documenting this nonsense and reviewing all possible and impossible angles of WP:NAME. If you have a reasonable suggestion for a rename, let's hear it, but make it very well referenced please. -- dab (𒁳) 17:38, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
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Hi, (It is my first time to ask for edit request. Hope I am doing it right)
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I did not mean that any Assyrians came from Cyprus, I meant that the Cyprus dispute should be added as reason why they left. As for Lebanon, it wasn't just temporary refugees only. Most fled Seyfo and their children and grandchildren were born in Lebanon; Fares Fares, Josef Fares and Aboud Zazi are examples of Assyrians from Sweden with grandparents or great grandparents who fled to Lebanon during Seyfo. These Assyrians probably came from different countries, not just modern Turkey. Shmayo ( talk) 19:39, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
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User:MaronitePride's number 4 above; removal of some supposed 1100 Muslims under "Religion". Joshua Project claims that there are 1150 Hertevin speakers and that they are Muslims. I can't see what this has do with Assyrians in Sweden? Secondly, they are wrong. Speakers of Hertevin are Chaldean Catholic. Otto Jastrow, who discovered the dialect, writes on page 18 in "Der neuaramäische Dialekt von Hertevin (Provinz Siirt)" (1988): "Dieser dialekt wurde von chaldäischen Christen, den Undergebenen eines Kurdenaghas, in dem Dorf Hertevin, einige Kilometer westlich von Pervari, Provinz Siirt gesprochen." Shmayo ( talk) 15:12, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
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