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I've decided to start this talk page about the revisions to local derby list - this was supposed to be a famous derby list, with the matches being from a general consensus of web pages of the most notable ones. Any new changes were supposed to be handled into the linked Local derby page.
On the last revision by 62.214.230.57 the Al-Ahly - Zamalek game has been taken out. Can anyone explain why this has been done?
Master Of Ninja 20:46, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
And what about FC Schalke 04 vs. Borussia Dortmund? Thats definitely one of the most important european derbies. I would suggest adding it to the list. Thanks a lot. 80.130.90.193 ( talk) 09:09, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Why isn't there any brazilian derbies? They are very important and famous. I would prefer to see Grêmio vs. Inter in the article, but at least Flamengo vs. Fluminense should be in it.
Hi again
This article has come a long way from where it started. Unfortunately Wikipedia is now complaining the article may be too long for comfortable viewing. So where once this article had to be split off from the main football (soccer) topic, it may be time to move sections to articles of their own. At the same time it may be good to re-organise sections, as well as re-edit them just to make them flow. Comments or suggestions? - Master Of Ninja 17:55, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
There should probably be an article, about gamesmanship in football, or perhaps that should be ungentlemanly conduct. Also some stuff about goal celebrations. Jooler 17:09, 26 November 2005 (UTC).
The wiki edit page lists this page is over 35k and should be cut down. From an organisational point of view it does need to be a bit streamlined. Does anybody have ideas of how to go about this? We already have a subpage for a lot of sections, but other sections might need it. Plus I think a lot of the info is unneeded - we need criteria of what can be included and what not. A lot of information is just unnecessary miscellaenous overhead at the moment, and I don't think the article should be a list of everything on a particular topic. Comments? - Master Of Ninja 20:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
If anyone is interested, the previous versions of Players and politic and Clubs and politic (currently are both redirects to here) contain some material that might be interesting according to the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Links between politics and football, and that could possibly be merged here. - Liberatore( T) 18:32, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be far too much about misbehaviour on here. Mostly centred on Premier League players and including stuff that was later found to be untrue. Jooler 03:58, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
"An example of this was the Italian player Paolo Di Canio who, while not given an award, was congratulated in many sections of the football world for a very generous display of "Fair Play"" Di Canio ? Fair play ? I guess it's a joke. Kekel 11:05, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
How can you possibly have a feature on football culture without a section on fanzines? Good grief! Anyone going to fix it?
88.111.31.83 12:24, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Seems to me this article should include some history of this particular ritual. Janko 06:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)Janko
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In my opinion, the article stresses disproportionately the negative or questionable aspects of football culture. It seems to be highly reflecting and confirming typical American prejudices about the sport. Rudefuss ( talk) 18:17, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
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Should there be some detailed inclusion of the use of promotion and relegation in football, or is this something that is already better served in another article? Cheers. Jay eyem ( talk) 17:00, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
I want to delete this entire section. Almost every reference to any religious topic is in scare quotes ("immortal", "legendary", "god", generally linkified to point to a real thing rather than what it is: a hyperbolic term once favoured by radio announcers.
I'll come back no sooner than one month from now. If things are no better, and if nobody is talking to me here, then I'll go ahead and delete the section (but if you want me to hold off, just say so; I don't mean to sound heavy).
I've never really been interested in football. I came here to find some discussion of how British football afficionados 'hear' the term "soccer". I am British, and I mostly use the word "soccer". Is it simply an americanism? I use many americanisms.
If you want to comment but it doesn't belong here, feel free to use my talk page. MrDemeanour ( talk) 18:37, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
MrDemeanour ( talk) 18:45, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Wearing-kit and scarf is common association fan culture. Is this original research? What is the difference between accessories section and food and beverages section?
The commemoration section adequately supported by reliable sources. What is the problem in detail?
~~~~
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[1] Footwiks ( talk) 15:34, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
I have a question about getty image sourses. Photo is a primary source and a primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts.
Do you think that photos from gettyimage website are not reliable? In other words, Gettyimage website may have fake photos.
For example, you think that this photo may not Brazil national football team full squad photo in 2002 FIFA World Cup final
If I use same photos from FIFA website or football magazin website, Is it OK? Footwiks ( talk) 03:09, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
References
I think that commemoration section don't have problem.
Dispute occured in January 2023. You didn't any actions since January 2023. Why did you delete section on 20 July 2023 again?
I saw your comment about me in ANI. What's the relationship between this senction and ANI? If I am blocked soon, I can't participate in this discussion. You can be win this discussion. But it's unfair. Footwiks ( talk) 10:35, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Since third opinions are informal and non-binding, there's nothing wrong per se with Footwiks ignoring mine at Talk:Association football culture. Considered as a small part of the pattern of conduct described and evidenced above, I do think their actions there since the opinion have demonstrated misunderstanding of editing and collaboration norms. Among the issues is their accusation above that AirshipJungleman29 is supporting a sanction in order to game the system and win a content dispute. I'm not sure how the project can hope for improvement in conduct when criticism is met with such bad faith assumption.
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Hi
I've decided to start this talk page about the revisions to local derby list - this was supposed to be a famous derby list, with the matches being from a general consensus of web pages of the most notable ones. Any new changes were supposed to be handled into the linked Local derby page.
On the last revision by 62.214.230.57 the Al-Ahly - Zamalek game has been taken out. Can anyone explain why this has been done?
Master Of Ninja 20:46, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
And what about FC Schalke 04 vs. Borussia Dortmund? Thats definitely one of the most important european derbies. I would suggest adding it to the list. Thanks a lot. 80.130.90.193 ( talk) 09:09, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Why isn't there any brazilian derbies? They are very important and famous. I would prefer to see Grêmio vs. Inter in the article, but at least Flamengo vs. Fluminense should be in it.
Hi again
This article has come a long way from where it started. Unfortunately Wikipedia is now complaining the article may be too long for comfortable viewing. So where once this article had to be split off from the main football (soccer) topic, it may be time to move sections to articles of their own. At the same time it may be good to re-organise sections, as well as re-edit them just to make them flow. Comments or suggestions? - Master Of Ninja 17:55, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
There should probably be an article, about gamesmanship in football, or perhaps that should be ungentlemanly conduct. Also some stuff about goal celebrations. Jooler 17:09, 26 November 2005 (UTC).
The wiki edit page lists this page is over 35k and should be cut down. From an organisational point of view it does need to be a bit streamlined. Does anybody have ideas of how to go about this? We already have a subpage for a lot of sections, but other sections might need it. Plus I think a lot of the info is unneeded - we need criteria of what can be included and what not. A lot of information is just unnecessary miscellaenous overhead at the moment, and I don't think the article should be a list of everything on a particular topic. Comments? - Master Of Ninja 20:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
If anyone is interested, the previous versions of Players and politic and Clubs and politic (currently are both redirects to here) contain some material that might be interesting according to the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Links between politics and football, and that could possibly be merged here. - Liberatore( T) 18:32, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be far too much about misbehaviour on here. Mostly centred on Premier League players and including stuff that was later found to be untrue. Jooler 03:58, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
"An example of this was the Italian player Paolo Di Canio who, while not given an award, was congratulated in many sections of the football world for a very generous display of "Fair Play"" Di Canio ? Fair play ? I guess it's a joke. Kekel 11:05, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
How can you possibly have a feature on football culture without a section on fanzines? Good grief! Anyone going to fix it?
88.111.31.83 12:24, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Seems to me this article should include some history of this particular ritual. Janko 06:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)Janko
Image:Ycfc match programme.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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In my opinion, the article stresses disproportionately the negative or questionable aspects of football culture. It seems to be highly reflecting and confirming typical American prejudices about the sport. Rudefuss ( talk) 18:17, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
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Should there be some detailed inclusion of the use of promotion and relegation in football, or is this something that is already better served in another article? Cheers. Jay eyem ( talk) 17:00, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
I want to delete this entire section. Almost every reference to any religious topic is in scare quotes ("immortal", "legendary", "god", generally linkified to point to a real thing rather than what it is: a hyperbolic term once favoured by radio announcers.
I'll come back no sooner than one month from now. If things are no better, and if nobody is talking to me here, then I'll go ahead and delete the section (but if you want me to hold off, just say so; I don't mean to sound heavy).
I've never really been interested in football. I came here to find some discussion of how British football afficionados 'hear' the term "soccer". I am British, and I mostly use the word "soccer". Is it simply an americanism? I use many americanisms.
If you want to comment but it doesn't belong here, feel free to use my talk page. MrDemeanour ( talk) 18:37, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
MrDemeanour ( talk) 18:45, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Wearing-kit and scarf is common association fan culture. Is this original research? What is the difference between accessories section and food and beverages section?
The commemoration section adequately supported by reliable sources. What is the problem in detail?
~~~~
. Please read the
reliable sources policy. Getty Images is a
primary source; using pictures with no backup is
original research.In Starting XI photo paragraph, getty image soures are not main sources. Main source is below source that you attached.
[1] Footwiks ( talk) 15:34, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
I have a question about getty image sourses. Photo is a primary source and a primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts.
Do you think that photos from gettyimage website are not reliable? In other words, Gettyimage website may have fake photos.
For example, you think that this photo may not Brazil national football team full squad photo in 2002 FIFA World Cup final
If I use same photos from FIFA website or football magazin website, Is it OK? Footwiks ( talk) 03:09, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
References
I think that commemoration section don't have problem.
Dispute occured in January 2023. You didn't any actions since January 2023. Why did you delete section on 20 July 2023 again?
I saw your comment about me in ANI. What's the relationship between this senction and ANI? If I am blocked soon, I can't participate in this discussion. You can be win this discussion. But it's unfair. Footwiks ( talk) 10:35, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Since third opinions are informal and non-binding, there's nothing wrong per se with Footwiks ignoring mine at Talk:Association football culture. Considered as a small part of the pattern of conduct described and evidenced above, I do think their actions there since the opinion have demonstrated misunderstanding of editing and collaboration norms. Among the issues is their accusation above that AirshipJungleman29 is supporting a sanction in order to game the system and win a content dispute. I'm not sure how the project can hope for improvement in conduct when criticism is met with such bad faith assumption.