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@ Giants2008 and PresN: If you guys mind sparing a moment. I waffled over how to list the discrepancies in the first 4 awards for a while and came up with what I have currently, but I'm still not convinced it's the best way to go about it:
Season | Player | Position | Team | Ref | Player | Position | Team | Ref | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1957 | Jim Brown† | Running back | Cleveland Browns | [1] [2] | or | None awarded/different award | [3] | ||
1958 | Jim Brown† (2) | Running back | Cleveland Browns | [4] [5] [2] | or | Gino Marchetti† | Defensive end | Baltimore Colts | [6] |
1959 | Johnny Unitas† | Quarterback | Baltimore Colts | [7] [2] | or | Charlie Conerly | Quarterback | New York Giants | [5] [6] |
1960 | Norm Van Brocklin† | Quarterback | Philadelphia Eagles | [5] [2] | or |
Norm Van Brocklin† Joe Schmidt† |
Quarterback Linebacker |
Philadelphia Eagles Detroit Lions |
[8] [6] |
References
"AP NFL Most Valuable Player Winners". Pro-Football-Reference.com. Sports Reference LLC. Retrieved August 1, 2016.
"Full list of NFL MVP winners". Sports Illustrated. February 2, 2016. Retrieved February 1, 2017.
Fifty media members (I'm one of them) will vote by Jan. 4 for awards given out by The Associated Press, which began awarding the MVP in 1961 and has never given it to a rookie. (Cleveland Browns fullback Jim Brown did win what was then called NFL Player of the Year in his rookie year in 1957.)
Janssen, Sarah (December 6, 2016). The World Almanac and Book of Facts 2017. Simon and Schuster. p. 1,994. ISBN 1600572073. Retrieved February 3, 2017.
"National Football League MVPs". ESPN. Associated Press. January 2, 2009. Retrieved January 9, 2017.
"NFL History: Awards". CBS Sports. Retrieved August 1, 2016.
Philadelphia quarterback Norm Van Brocklin and Detroit linebacker Joe Schmidt shared the award in 1960.
I feel like footnotes aren't an option; it wouldn't give each discrepancy its WP:DUE weight. I tend to hold contemporary sources in higher regard, but in each case there are high-quality modern sources disputing them. In addition, I could find very few sources (basically one) even discussing these discrepancies, so I'm fringing on WP:OR/ WP:SYNTH by even calling these winners "disputed". Should I instead just decide on a single source to base the list off of? Lizard ( talk) 15:40, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
Season | Player | Position | Team | Ref |
---|---|---|---|---|
1957 | Jim Brown† | Running back | Cleveland Browns | refs |
None awarded/different award | refz | |||
1958 | Jim Brown† (2) | Running back | Cleveland Browns | refs |
Gino Marchetti† | Defensive end | Baltimore Colts | refz | |
1959 | Johnny Unitas† | Quarterback | Baltimore Colts | refs |
Charlie Conerly | Quarterback | New York Giants | refz | |
1960 | Norm Van Brocklin† | Quarterback | Philadelphia Eagles | refs |
Norm Van Brocklin† Joe Schmidt† |
Quarterback Linebacker |
Philadelphia Eagles Detroit Lions |
refz |
The discrepancies happen because someone screwed the list (wrong winner) somewhere along way and it got copied over and over and over and over and over again. The correct winner is the player who was named the winner at the time....newspaper story from the day ...................also has anyone ever found the AP story from Dec 1960/Jan 61 naming ANYONE either POY or MVP for 1960?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.59.70.125 ( talk) 04:26, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
FWIW The 2020 NFL Record and Fact Book has finally corrected their list 1959 Johnny Unitas is now listed !!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.127.91.117 ( talk) 00:52, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
The subject of "Most Overall" and "Most Unique" winners needs to be discussed. At the moment, it currently follows what looks to be a mix of the lists, taking qualities of both of them, but leaving some out. If we are going to put this in, we need to have a true form that it follows.
Do the "Most" sections allow for the disputed winners? What year do they begin at? Do they take into consideration the shared MVP seasons? Let's answer these questions about the list before we put this up. Tapper930 ( talk) 23:23, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
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@ Giants2008 and PresN: If you guys mind sparing a moment. I waffled over how to list the discrepancies in the first 4 awards for a while and came up with what I have currently, but I'm still not convinced it's the best way to go about it:
Season | Player | Position | Team | Ref | Player | Position | Team | Ref | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1957 | Jim Brown† | Running back | Cleveland Browns | [1] [2] | or | None awarded/different award | [3] | ||
1958 | Jim Brown† (2) | Running back | Cleveland Browns | [4] [5] [2] | or | Gino Marchetti† | Defensive end | Baltimore Colts | [6] |
1959 | Johnny Unitas† | Quarterback | Baltimore Colts | [7] [2] | or | Charlie Conerly | Quarterback | New York Giants | [5] [6] |
1960 | Norm Van Brocklin† | Quarterback | Philadelphia Eagles | [5] [2] | or |
Norm Van Brocklin† Joe Schmidt† |
Quarterback Linebacker |
Philadelphia Eagles Detroit Lions |
[8] [6] |
References
"AP NFL Most Valuable Player Winners". Pro-Football-Reference.com. Sports Reference LLC. Retrieved August 1, 2016.
"Full list of NFL MVP winners". Sports Illustrated. February 2, 2016. Retrieved February 1, 2017.
Fifty media members (I'm one of them) will vote by Jan. 4 for awards given out by The Associated Press, which began awarding the MVP in 1961 and has never given it to a rookie. (Cleveland Browns fullback Jim Brown did win what was then called NFL Player of the Year in his rookie year in 1957.)
Janssen, Sarah (December 6, 2016). The World Almanac and Book of Facts 2017. Simon and Schuster. p. 1,994. ISBN 1600572073. Retrieved February 3, 2017.
"National Football League MVPs". ESPN. Associated Press. January 2, 2009. Retrieved January 9, 2017.
"NFL History: Awards". CBS Sports. Retrieved August 1, 2016.
Philadelphia quarterback Norm Van Brocklin and Detroit linebacker Joe Schmidt shared the award in 1960.
I feel like footnotes aren't an option; it wouldn't give each discrepancy its WP:DUE weight. I tend to hold contemporary sources in higher regard, but in each case there are high-quality modern sources disputing them. In addition, I could find very few sources (basically one) even discussing these discrepancies, so I'm fringing on WP:OR/ WP:SYNTH by even calling these winners "disputed". Should I instead just decide on a single source to base the list off of? Lizard ( talk) 15:40, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
Season | Player | Position | Team | Ref |
---|---|---|---|---|
1957 | Jim Brown† | Running back | Cleveland Browns | refs |
None awarded/different award | refz | |||
1958 | Jim Brown† (2) | Running back | Cleveland Browns | refs |
Gino Marchetti† | Defensive end | Baltimore Colts | refz | |
1959 | Johnny Unitas† | Quarterback | Baltimore Colts | refs |
Charlie Conerly | Quarterback | New York Giants | refz | |
1960 | Norm Van Brocklin† | Quarterback | Philadelphia Eagles | refs |
Norm Van Brocklin† Joe Schmidt† |
Quarterback Linebacker |
Philadelphia Eagles Detroit Lions |
refz |
The discrepancies happen because someone screwed the list (wrong winner) somewhere along way and it got copied over and over and over and over and over again. The correct winner is the player who was named the winner at the time....newspaper story from the day ...................also has anyone ever found the AP story from Dec 1960/Jan 61 naming ANYONE either POY or MVP for 1960?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.59.70.125 ( talk) 04:26, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
FWIW The 2020 NFL Record and Fact Book has finally corrected their list 1959 Johnny Unitas is now listed !!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.127.91.117 ( talk) 00:52, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
The subject of "Most Overall" and "Most Unique" winners needs to be discussed. At the moment, it currently follows what looks to be a mix of the lists, taking qualities of both of them, but leaving some out. If we are going to put this in, we need to have a true form that it follows.
Do the "Most" sections allow for the disputed winners? What year do they begin at? Do they take into consideration the shared MVP seasons? Let's answer these questions about the list before we put this up. Tapper930 ( talk) 23:23, 22 March 2019 (UTC)