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Many other Wikipedia articles state that Asian Americans are one of the most/the most economically well-off racial group in the United States (such as the model minority article). Additionally, the income section of this article does not have a source. Chilledsunshine 03:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
The explanation of U.S census policy on Americans of Middle Eastern origin must be put forward by one with knowledge in the field, free of bias, or be left from the article all together. Technajunky 19:00, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Refering to Middle Eastern Americans as having "neither been sufficiently visibly distinct as a group in America nor have they historically arrived in such large numbers" is both a fallacy, and shows a large degree of misinformed bias. Arabs and Armenians have been arriving in America as immigrants since the late 19th century. I will continue to delete this opinionated, and perhaps bigoted entry until a sufficient revision is put forth. Technajunky 19:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
How about we come to a concensus and avoid a revert war? Hong Qi Gong 19:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Thats the plan. I will rewrite the section in a few hours. Technajunky 19:27, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Identity politics are always confusing issues, especially when we get into self-identification. Good luck finding "credible" sources on these kinds of topics. Some Middle Eastern countries are clearly in the Asian continent, but I personally don't know any Middle Easterners that identify as "Asian". However, that's completely anecdotal evidence and not usable. Hong Qi Gong 19:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I've archived the Talk page - Talk:Asian American/Archive 1. You can access past discussions on the Archive box at the top right of the page. Hong Qi Gong 21:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I've edited out this line:
Asian women as TV newscasters has reached the point of parody as a character in Family Guy.
I know what the point of that statement is. It's trying to say that there are a lot of Asian American woman TV newscasters. But this is possibly inaccurate. Do we have any studies to show how well Asian American women are represented as TV newscasters? Without a reliable source, for all we know, they could still be underrepresented. So the statement above is not appropriate. Just because the writers of Family Guy chose to parody Asian women as TV newscasters doesn't say anything about how well they are represented as TV newscasters. Family Guy is an animated TV show. It's not a reliable source on media representation of Asian Americans. Hong Qi Gong 19:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Specifically, the first paragraph:
The life expectancy for Asian Americans was 83, compared to 79 in Japan in 1996, and 76 for Americans of European descent. For most diseases and cancers, and indicators such as infant mortality that afflict African American at worse rates than whites, Asians have lower rates. Rates of AIDS were 3 times lower than national average in the 1990s, though they are getting closer to parity. In NYC, no births to babies expose to cocaine were recorded. In Massachusetts, the rate of pregnant smoking was only one-quarter the average. In California, the rate of heart disease was onle one-third average. Infant mortality in CA was only half the average rate. Most health studies simply omit figures on Asians rather than publicize health outcomes that are better for Asians, or state that data is insufficient to establish accurates rates for AIDS, even though Asians are a majority or the 2nd largest minority in some states.
Do we have a source for these statements and numbers? Hong Qi Gong 19:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
The article needs only one good map and caption. It now has two maps, and both maps and their captions disagree. The caption--if used--should match the article, and both captions do not. I think the map should include all of Asia for reference. The article already discusses why certain parts of Asia are included in "Asian American" and why other parts are not (although the Middle Eastern section is awaiting rewrite by Technajunky per previous discussion). It goes back to an earlier discussion of "redefining" Asia on Talk. The article should not focus only on self-identification as one map definition does. As I've mentioned previously, the definition of Asian American should consider (1) formal usage; (2) common usage by people who consider themselves to be "Asian American" (aka self-identification); and (3) common usage by "people in general." -- ishu 17:06, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Social identity theory (SIT) is far to general and remote from either common or formal (i.e., legal) usage to be interchangeable with race. It certainly is too much so simply to insert it into this article in a search-and-replace mode. If the article mentions SIT, then it should discuss its relevance to race and Asian Americans. Search and replace is not sufficient treatment of this complicated subject. The article should provide some context for readers without forcing them to read incomplete articles on theories that have multiple books devoted both to support and dispute. -- ishu 01:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Dark Tichondrias writes, in reference to Revision 60460897 (as of 00:38, 25 June 2006):
This comment makes it unclear as to whether DT refers specifically to the article Social identity or to some general concept of social identity. It's also unclear what DT means by "race is debatable." A few possible interpretations include:
Whatever DT means, it would be helpful to clarify. However, if one asked 20 random people whether 'Asian American' is a racial category, an ethnic category, or a social identity, few would state it is a social identity, however one defines that concept. This is not to deny the social construction of the race concept, but my comments about social identity theory apply: The article should use commonly understood references, and provide context where the common definitions are discarded or expanded upon. However, a treatment of race as a social identity would be best for the entire Wikipedia, since it could be referenced by the various articles that refer to "racial" social identities. I also agree that the race article is severely deficient on this topic, but the social identity article is equally deficient on race. I'd like to change this reference back to ethnic and racial groupings, as follows:
versus
I would appreciate other comments on this issue so that we can establish some consensus. -- ishu 03:41, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Dark Tichondrias writes:
If this is in reference to the court cases (DT made changes to two separate sections), the issue is twofold. First, race was a component of defining 'American' for purposes of citizenship: you must be white. The second part is: "Are Asian [race] people considered to be white [race]?" That's white vs. Asian, not white American vs. Asian American, or caucasian American vs. Asian American or what have you. The decision stated that if you are Asian then you can't be "American." But just read what the article says about the implications of the two decisions:
Assuming this is a fair summary of the decisions (and clearly I do), 'white' and 'caucasian' are not said to be interchangeable. The Thind decision clearly states that 'white' and 'caucasian' are different since Thind is acknowledged to be caucasian but not white. DT's explanation is not just brief, it's wrong. Or we can discuss the meaning of the decisions, but that requires more than an add-on sentence. -- ishu 01:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
The purpose of the case is stated in paragraph 2 of the decision:
The role of caucasian is also stated (first sentence of paragraph 6):
The decision does not define caucasian in relation to European, only white persons and European. The edit reflects the language of the decision. -- ishu 02:31, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I changed the tag from copyedit to cleanup. The article needs more than copy editing. I will accept my share of blame for wordiness. Here's a list of my to-dos, but let's see what others suggest:
-- ishu 07:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that this article is very inconsistent in its use of single and double quotes. I'm of the opinion that single quotes are never used unless inside another quotation. I was going to replace all of the single quotes with double quotes, but I have also noticed that many of the quoted words are words used as terms, which should apparently be italicized according to Wiki's format. Does anyone else feel up to determining what's being used as a term and what isn't? I certainly don't. -- Natalie 20:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I could not find it on dictionary.com, which is the only dictionary I have handy. Anyone mind if I change it to "apolitical nature"? -- Natalie 02:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Currently, the box on the left is placed in the article. Compare this to the following image from the article UN geoscheme. While one says the region including Russia is called "Northern Asia", the other says it's called "Eastern Europe". Now what's correct? -- Abdull 20:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, nobody can blame you for clicking on the link in the map caption. The left map came from Asia (I took it from there), although the caption was changed (by someone else). The "UN subregions" reference came from the HTML comment in the Territories and regions section of Asia. Eastern Europe (subregion) clearly states that Russia is within the EEur UN subregion. However, the image description notes the deviation from the UN definitions, probably to conform with the definitions in Asia (see note 7) stating that part of Russia is considered to be in Asia. Most likely, the map to the left is a hybrid from the UN definition and the CIA World Fact Book. Compare against the image description for the image shaded in green to the right. -- ishu 05:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Too many quotation marks are used here for something that is supposed to be encyclopedic IMO. For instance, "bar" and "nerd" (not to mention the usage of the word nerd here seems completely unnecessary. Any suggestions? Decafpenguin 08:04, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
why does this page need cleanup? the article written actually is on a pretty good scale compared to some other articles. I suggest c.n. le ph.d to help. he is an assistant professor of sociology and specializes in asian studies at amherst. Kennethtennyson 16:11, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I have created this article so that the section Asian Americans Today can focus on more thematic (and encyclopedic) content. I encourage all editors to clean up this section along these lines. -- ishu 21:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I substantially edited this section. The previous version of the section is now on a subpage called /notable. I completely removed the section "In Science and Technology" because it was entirely a list. In the other sections, I removed people who aren't "firsts" or, like state legislators, don't seem to fit any coherent pattern by themselves. We can and should note the increased participation by Asian Americans as political candidates, for example, but that should not occur by listing every Asian American elected to state and local offices.
Please note that all of the removed names are still included at List of notable Asian Americans.
Whether we favor summary style or news style, to help Asian American to be a better article, this section should provide several coherent themes. This section originally started as a jumping-off point to connect the history section to "today." However, there is no clear cut-off between "history" and "today," particularly when several "today" events pre-date some of the "historical" events.
Suggestions for themes and organization are welcome. -- ishu 01:21, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Alright, I have created the Min Chueh Chang article. We should discuss who to include in a re-created section for science and technology. I think we agreed on David Ho. I think Min Chueh Chang deserves mention for co-inventing the birth control pill. Who else? - Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 07:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
-- ishu 21:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I recently deleted both references to Larry Chrystal, since there has been no response to these queries. -- ishu 22:57, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Someone has created an article (poorly written at that) called Asian American culture. The information contained theirin should be merged with this one and a redirect set up. If someone involved with this particular wiki-project could see to this, that would be great. I am not an expert in the area, I just noticed the page while doing some housekeeping. -- Jayron32 04:34, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
According to the wiki information, "Asian Americans are extremely well represented in the education sector, especially in the college level with the highest average college graduates at around 52% and the whole Asian people constitutes around 20% of Ivy League colleges."
I'm not so sure if those numbers are accurate. i believe that actual percentage of Asian Americans with college degrees is between 44 to 48%. Also, Asians as a whole do not make up 20% of the student population of Ivy League schools. Unless you count Russians and middle Eastern people in that percentage, I'm very sure that Asians DO NOT represent 20% of Ivy League colleges.
The only Ivy League school that meets and surpasses the 20% threshold is Penn, with approximately 22% of its undergraduates being Asian. Harvard has 17%, same with Columbia and Cornell. Yale has approximately 14%, Brown has around 15%, and Princeton and Dartmouth have about 12% Asian population. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.52.215.94 ( talk • contribs) 07:15, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
From the article:
Given that we're talking about a Disney film, do you think that Chong's unabashed love and advocacy of marijuana might have had more to do with it than his ancestry? 209.92.136.131 18:58, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
It's more likely Chong wasn't cast because he was doing a prison term at the time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.45.207.50 ( talk • contribs) 00:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to have a reference in the first sentence? And why is this page so long? I think this article needs some chopping. I ain't copyeditin' it till it's had some choppin'.
On a brief examination, I noticed many paragraphs have this form: X did this. Y did that. Z did this... Rintrah 14:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Some concerns I have:
I will edit along these lines, but comments and assistance would be welcome. -- ishu 23:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I removed the following:
The first sentence ("younger generation") and last sentence ("Asian pride") have been unsourced despite a reference template on the entire section for months. For the "younger generation" statement to be true (as written), two things must be true: (1) that older generations do not refer to themselves as Asian American and (2) that younger generations do refer to themselves this way. We can restore the claim with adequate references. The "Asian pride" statement also is covered in its own section.
The term double-allegiance is highly misleading, and should be avoided, especially due to the misplaced allegations of disloyalty throughout Asian American history--and immigrant history in general. This entire section may be appropriate if expanded, but it is redundant as-is, and probably more appropriate for an article-length treatment of its own. Without enough context, it just doesn't fit here, and it needs a lot more context. -- ishu 15:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Today I removed the following paragraph:
This etiquette lesson is, at best, arguably encyclopedic. -- Ishu 04:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Three photos (Wie, Yamaguchi, Kwan) is too many for the size of the section. Do we have suggestions for which one to keep? -- ishu 21:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Wataru Misaka became the first Asian American player in the NBA when he played for the New York Knicks in the 1947–48 season. Misaka also played a key role in the Utah's NCAA and NIT basketball championships in 1944 and 1947.
Asian Americans first made an impact in Olympic sports in the late 1940s and in the 1950s. Korean American Sammy Lee became the first Asian American to earn an Olympic Gold Medal, winning in platform diving in both 1948 and 1952.
Asian Americans have been prominent in figure skating. Tiffany Chin won the US Championship in 1985. Kristi Yamaguchi won three national championships (one individual, two in pairs), two world titles, and the 1992 Olympic Gold medal. Michelle Kwan has won nine national championships and five world titles, as well as two Olympic medals (silver in 1998, bronze in 2002).
Norm Chow is the current offensive coordinator for the NFL's Tennessee Titans, after helping lead USC's offense to several NCAA championships. Korean American wide receiver Hines Ward was the MVP of Super Bowl XL while playing for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Michael Chang won the French Open in 1989 and was a top-ranked tennis player for most of his career.
I'm not sure what these sections add, or how the existing copy can be expanded. As I see it, the sections can spin out to encompass all of the various subgroups, or these sections will be a hopeless, misrepresentative aggregation of data on different groups. I would appreciate comments from others. -- ishu 21:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I performed a major restructuring of the Terminology section. After significant downsizing, the Informal usage section was combined with the rest of the section.
The Formal usage section needs to be pared as well. My ultimate goal is to have minimal sub-divisions in the Terminology section--possibly none at all. I'll confess a fondness for the legal definitions paragraph (long-time editors already know this). However, it belongs somewhere else--possibly not even in this article. The Formal usage section should probably be restricted to a discussion of the evolution of the census categories and their effect on government programs, research, and policy development. That would make a good jumping off point for discussions of the development of communities, I think.
Input from others is welcome. -- Ishu 05:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I removed the "Legal definitions" section and am placing it here for "safekeeping" until (if) a better place can be found.
-- Ishu 15:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Many other Wikipedia articles state that Asian Americans are one of the most/the most economically well-off racial group in the United States (such as the model minority article). Additionally, the income section of this article does not have a source. Chilledsunshine 03:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
The explanation of U.S census policy on Americans of Middle Eastern origin must be put forward by one with knowledge in the field, free of bias, or be left from the article all together. Technajunky 19:00, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Refering to Middle Eastern Americans as having "neither been sufficiently visibly distinct as a group in America nor have they historically arrived in such large numbers" is both a fallacy, and shows a large degree of misinformed bias. Arabs and Armenians have been arriving in America as immigrants since the late 19th century. I will continue to delete this opinionated, and perhaps bigoted entry until a sufficient revision is put forth. Technajunky 19:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
How about we come to a concensus and avoid a revert war? Hong Qi Gong 19:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Thats the plan. I will rewrite the section in a few hours. Technajunky 19:27, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Identity politics are always confusing issues, especially when we get into self-identification. Good luck finding "credible" sources on these kinds of topics. Some Middle Eastern countries are clearly in the Asian continent, but I personally don't know any Middle Easterners that identify as "Asian". However, that's completely anecdotal evidence and not usable. Hong Qi Gong 19:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I've archived the Talk page - Talk:Asian American/Archive 1. You can access past discussions on the Archive box at the top right of the page. Hong Qi Gong 21:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I've edited out this line:
Asian women as TV newscasters has reached the point of parody as a character in Family Guy.
I know what the point of that statement is. It's trying to say that there are a lot of Asian American woman TV newscasters. But this is possibly inaccurate. Do we have any studies to show how well Asian American women are represented as TV newscasters? Without a reliable source, for all we know, they could still be underrepresented. So the statement above is not appropriate. Just because the writers of Family Guy chose to parody Asian women as TV newscasters doesn't say anything about how well they are represented as TV newscasters. Family Guy is an animated TV show. It's not a reliable source on media representation of Asian Americans. Hong Qi Gong 19:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Specifically, the first paragraph:
The life expectancy for Asian Americans was 83, compared to 79 in Japan in 1996, and 76 for Americans of European descent. For most diseases and cancers, and indicators such as infant mortality that afflict African American at worse rates than whites, Asians have lower rates. Rates of AIDS were 3 times lower than national average in the 1990s, though they are getting closer to parity. In NYC, no births to babies expose to cocaine were recorded. In Massachusetts, the rate of pregnant smoking was only one-quarter the average. In California, the rate of heart disease was onle one-third average. Infant mortality in CA was only half the average rate. Most health studies simply omit figures on Asians rather than publicize health outcomes that are better for Asians, or state that data is insufficient to establish accurates rates for AIDS, even though Asians are a majority or the 2nd largest minority in some states.
Do we have a source for these statements and numbers? Hong Qi Gong 19:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
The article needs only one good map and caption. It now has two maps, and both maps and their captions disagree. The caption--if used--should match the article, and both captions do not. I think the map should include all of Asia for reference. The article already discusses why certain parts of Asia are included in "Asian American" and why other parts are not (although the Middle Eastern section is awaiting rewrite by Technajunky per previous discussion). It goes back to an earlier discussion of "redefining" Asia on Talk. The article should not focus only on self-identification as one map definition does. As I've mentioned previously, the definition of Asian American should consider (1) formal usage; (2) common usage by people who consider themselves to be "Asian American" (aka self-identification); and (3) common usage by "people in general." -- ishu 17:06, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Social identity theory (SIT) is far to general and remote from either common or formal (i.e., legal) usage to be interchangeable with race. It certainly is too much so simply to insert it into this article in a search-and-replace mode. If the article mentions SIT, then it should discuss its relevance to race and Asian Americans. Search and replace is not sufficient treatment of this complicated subject. The article should provide some context for readers without forcing them to read incomplete articles on theories that have multiple books devoted both to support and dispute. -- ishu 01:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Dark Tichondrias writes, in reference to Revision 60460897 (as of 00:38, 25 June 2006):
This comment makes it unclear as to whether DT refers specifically to the article Social identity or to some general concept of social identity. It's also unclear what DT means by "race is debatable." A few possible interpretations include:
Whatever DT means, it would be helpful to clarify. However, if one asked 20 random people whether 'Asian American' is a racial category, an ethnic category, or a social identity, few would state it is a social identity, however one defines that concept. This is not to deny the social construction of the race concept, but my comments about social identity theory apply: The article should use commonly understood references, and provide context where the common definitions are discarded or expanded upon. However, a treatment of race as a social identity would be best for the entire Wikipedia, since it could be referenced by the various articles that refer to "racial" social identities. I also agree that the race article is severely deficient on this topic, but the social identity article is equally deficient on race. I'd like to change this reference back to ethnic and racial groupings, as follows:
versus
I would appreciate other comments on this issue so that we can establish some consensus. -- ishu 03:41, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Dark Tichondrias writes:
If this is in reference to the court cases (DT made changes to two separate sections), the issue is twofold. First, race was a component of defining 'American' for purposes of citizenship: you must be white. The second part is: "Are Asian [race] people considered to be white [race]?" That's white vs. Asian, not white American vs. Asian American, or caucasian American vs. Asian American or what have you. The decision stated that if you are Asian then you can't be "American." But just read what the article says about the implications of the two decisions:
Assuming this is a fair summary of the decisions (and clearly I do), 'white' and 'caucasian' are not said to be interchangeable. The Thind decision clearly states that 'white' and 'caucasian' are different since Thind is acknowledged to be caucasian but not white. DT's explanation is not just brief, it's wrong. Or we can discuss the meaning of the decisions, but that requires more than an add-on sentence. -- ishu 01:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
The purpose of the case is stated in paragraph 2 of the decision:
The role of caucasian is also stated (first sentence of paragraph 6):
The decision does not define caucasian in relation to European, only white persons and European. The edit reflects the language of the decision. -- ishu 02:31, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I changed the tag from copyedit to cleanup. The article needs more than copy editing. I will accept my share of blame for wordiness. Here's a list of my to-dos, but let's see what others suggest:
-- ishu 07:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that this article is very inconsistent in its use of single and double quotes. I'm of the opinion that single quotes are never used unless inside another quotation. I was going to replace all of the single quotes with double quotes, but I have also noticed that many of the quoted words are words used as terms, which should apparently be italicized according to Wiki's format. Does anyone else feel up to determining what's being used as a term and what isn't? I certainly don't. -- Natalie 20:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I could not find it on dictionary.com, which is the only dictionary I have handy. Anyone mind if I change it to "apolitical nature"? -- Natalie 02:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Currently, the box on the left is placed in the article. Compare this to the following image from the article UN geoscheme. While one says the region including Russia is called "Northern Asia", the other says it's called "Eastern Europe". Now what's correct? -- Abdull 20:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, nobody can blame you for clicking on the link in the map caption. The left map came from Asia (I took it from there), although the caption was changed (by someone else). The "UN subregions" reference came from the HTML comment in the Territories and regions section of Asia. Eastern Europe (subregion) clearly states that Russia is within the EEur UN subregion. However, the image description notes the deviation from the UN definitions, probably to conform with the definitions in Asia (see note 7) stating that part of Russia is considered to be in Asia. Most likely, the map to the left is a hybrid from the UN definition and the CIA World Fact Book. Compare against the image description for the image shaded in green to the right. -- ishu 05:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Too many quotation marks are used here for something that is supposed to be encyclopedic IMO. For instance, "bar" and "nerd" (not to mention the usage of the word nerd here seems completely unnecessary. Any suggestions? Decafpenguin 08:04, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
why does this page need cleanup? the article written actually is on a pretty good scale compared to some other articles. I suggest c.n. le ph.d to help. he is an assistant professor of sociology and specializes in asian studies at amherst. Kennethtennyson 16:11, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I have created this article so that the section Asian Americans Today can focus on more thematic (and encyclopedic) content. I encourage all editors to clean up this section along these lines. -- ishu 21:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I substantially edited this section. The previous version of the section is now on a subpage called /notable. I completely removed the section "In Science and Technology" because it was entirely a list. In the other sections, I removed people who aren't "firsts" or, like state legislators, don't seem to fit any coherent pattern by themselves. We can and should note the increased participation by Asian Americans as political candidates, for example, but that should not occur by listing every Asian American elected to state and local offices.
Please note that all of the removed names are still included at List of notable Asian Americans.
Whether we favor summary style or news style, to help Asian American to be a better article, this section should provide several coherent themes. This section originally started as a jumping-off point to connect the history section to "today." However, there is no clear cut-off between "history" and "today," particularly when several "today" events pre-date some of the "historical" events.
Suggestions for themes and organization are welcome. -- ishu 01:21, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Alright, I have created the Min Chueh Chang article. We should discuss who to include in a re-created section for science and technology. I think we agreed on David Ho. I think Min Chueh Chang deserves mention for co-inventing the birth control pill. Who else? - Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 07:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
-- ishu 21:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I recently deleted both references to Larry Chrystal, since there has been no response to these queries. -- ishu 22:57, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Someone has created an article (poorly written at that) called Asian American culture. The information contained theirin should be merged with this one and a redirect set up. If someone involved with this particular wiki-project could see to this, that would be great. I am not an expert in the area, I just noticed the page while doing some housekeeping. -- Jayron32 04:34, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
According to the wiki information, "Asian Americans are extremely well represented in the education sector, especially in the college level with the highest average college graduates at around 52% and the whole Asian people constitutes around 20% of Ivy League colleges."
I'm not so sure if those numbers are accurate. i believe that actual percentage of Asian Americans with college degrees is between 44 to 48%. Also, Asians as a whole do not make up 20% of the student population of Ivy League schools. Unless you count Russians and middle Eastern people in that percentage, I'm very sure that Asians DO NOT represent 20% of Ivy League colleges.
The only Ivy League school that meets and surpasses the 20% threshold is Penn, with approximately 22% of its undergraduates being Asian. Harvard has 17%, same with Columbia and Cornell. Yale has approximately 14%, Brown has around 15%, and Princeton and Dartmouth have about 12% Asian population. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.52.215.94 ( talk • contribs) 07:15, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
From the article:
Given that we're talking about a Disney film, do you think that Chong's unabashed love and advocacy of marijuana might have had more to do with it than his ancestry? 209.92.136.131 18:58, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
It's more likely Chong wasn't cast because he was doing a prison term at the time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.45.207.50 ( talk • contribs) 00:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to have a reference in the first sentence? And why is this page so long? I think this article needs some chopping. I ain't copyeditin' it till it's had some choppin'.
On a brief examination, I noticed many paragraphs have this form: X did this. Y did that. Z did this... Rintrah 14:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Some concerns I have:
I will edit along these lines, but comments and assistance would be welcome. -- ishu 23:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I removed the following:
The first sentence ("younger generation") and last sentence ("Asian pride") have been unsourced despite a reference template on the entire section for months. For the "younger generation" statement to be true (as written), two things must be true: (1) that older generations do not refer to themselves as Asian American and (2) that younger generations do refer to themselves this way. We can restore the claim with adequate references. The "Asian pride" statement also is covered in its own section.
The term double-allegiance is highly misleading, and should be avoided, especially due to the misplaced allegations of disloyalty throughout Asian American history--and immigrant history in general. This entire section may be appropriate if expanded, but it is redundant as-is, and probably more appropriate for an article-length treatment of its own. Without enough context, it just doesn't fit here, and it needs a lot more context. -- ishu 15:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Today I removed the following paragraph:
This etiquette lesson is, at best, arguably encyclopedic. -- Ishu 04:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Three photos (Wie, Yamaguchi, Kwan) is too many for the size of the section. Do we have suggestions for which one to keep? -- ishu 21:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Wataru Misaka became the first Asian American player in the NBA when he played for the New York Knicks in the 1947–48 season. Misaka also played a key role in the Utah's NCAA and NIT basketball championships in 1944 and 1947.
Asian Americans first made an impact in Olympic sports in the late 1940s and in the 1950s. Korean American Sammy Lee became the first Asian American to earn an Olympic Gold Medal, winning in platform diving in both 1948 and 1952.
Asian Americans have been prominent in figure skating. Tiffany Chin won the US Championship in 1985. Kristi Yamaguchi won three national championships (one individual, two in pairs), two world titles, and the 1992 Olympic Gold medal. Michelle Kwan has won nine national championships and five world titles, as well as two Olympic medals (silver in 1998, bronze in 2002).
Norm Chow is the current offensive coordinator for the NFL's Tennessee Titans, after helping lead USC's offense to several NCAA championships. Korean American wide receiver Hines Ward was the MVP of Super Bowl XL while playing for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Michael Chang won the French Open in 1989 and was a top-ranked tennis player for most of his career.
I'm not sure what these sections add, or how the existing copy can be expanded. As I see it, the sections can spin out to encompass all of the various subgroups, or these sections will be a hopeless, misrepresentative aggregation of data on different groups. I would appreciate comments from others. -- ishu 21:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I performed a major restructuring of the Terminology section. After significant downsizing, the Informal usage section was combined with the rest of the section.
The Formal usage section needs to be pared as well. My ultimate goal is to have minimal sub-divisions in the Terminology section--possibly none at all. I'll confess a fondness for the legal definitions paragraph (long-time editors already know this). However, it belongs somewhere else--possibly not even in this article. The Formal usage section should probably be restricted to a discussion of the evolution of the census categories and their effect on government programs, research, and policy development. That would make a good jumping off point for discussions of the development of communities, I think.
Input from others is welcome. -- Ishu 05:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I removed the "Legal definitions" section and am placing it here for "safekeeping" until (if) a better place can be found.
-- Ishu 15:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)