Looks very good, a well-written and informative article on an important but neglected subject. Minor issues remain (see below), but otherwise this was a joy to read and review.
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I've removed the bold and italic markings on the footnotes, I don't know why you put them there, they are not visible and serve no purpose.
Yeah, these were unintentional. I believe they have something to do with the visual editor and the sfn-template but I'm unsure how and why; it has happened in other articles I've written too.
Ichthyovenator (
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17:56, 4 February 2020 (UTC)reply
which would probably have had problematic consequences if Shamash-shum-ukin was to ascend to the Assyrian throne. such as?
I've changed this part since the source specifies that the appointment of Shamash-shum-ukin as Assyrian heir would be what would have had "serious consequences", not his ascending to the throne. The source does not specify what does consequences would be (revolts probably?).
Ichthyovenator (
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18:06, 4 February 2020 (UTC)reply
According to Ashurbanipal, Esarhaddon had favored him... In which context was this statement made/where does it come from? It might be a good place to introduce the fact that we get (If I understand this correctly) most of our information from Ashurbanipal's own decrees etc.
Yeah, it comes from Ashurbanipal's own later accounts (I buffed this sentence up a bit, unsure if it's good enough yet). Ashurbanipal's annals are the major sources for his reign but they're obviously biased (since they were written by Ashurbanipal) - notably the king is often described as destroying Assyria's enemies himself (with his army only being mentioned marginally). All the things the Assyrian army is described as doing in the article is probably stuff Ashurbanipal claims to have done himself.
Ichthyovenator (
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18:25, 4 February 2020 (UTC)reply
such as Nippur, Uruk and Ur, and the rulers in the Sea Land, link the cities and wither give an appropriate link or briefly explain what/where the sea land was
Changed to "one of Egypt's ancient capitals" since it appears that Thebes wasn't the capital at the time (though it had been several times previously).
Ichthyovenator (
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18:28, 4 February 2020 (UTC)reply
The Cimmerians, a nomadic Indo-European people, add something like "living in the southern Caucasus north of Assyria" or something to that effect
Some scholars, Other scholars, etc. in all cases where this occurs, can you name a couple of them? For example, while others believe that the king should not be judged for what happened to his empire after his death is cited to Britannica. is this opinion shared by others, or is it just the Britannica author's? If the latter, it should be clearly marked as such and possibly even quoted, e.g., "while Donald John Wiseman, in the Encyclopaedia Britannica article on the king, holds that "It is no indictment of his rule that his empire fell within two decades after his death; this was due to external pressures rather than to internal strife".
I've gone through every time "some/other scholars" and "some historians" appeared and hopefully fixed this issue. In cases where the person(s) behind said opinion are obvious I've mentioned their names and sometimes quoted,
Ichthyovenator (
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20:18, 5 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Standardize ISBN formats, add missing locations to books, and oclc id's for older books that do not have an ISBN.
Earwig's tool shows violations, but these are due the extensive quotes, so no worries there. A spotcheck in three other references failed to bring up any copyvio problems.
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Ichthyovenator: I've finished my review. Please ping me when you've addressed/answered the comments above. I will then do a second read-through in case I missed anything, and pass the article then. Well done.
Constantine ✍ 17:41, 4 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Assur, Sin, Shamash, Adad, Bêl, Nabû, Ishtar of Nineveh, the queen of Kidmuri, Ishtar of Arbela, Urta, Nergal and Nusku, can you link the deities and localities to relevant articles?
Linked all except the gods Assur and Bêl and the city Nineveh which are already linked earlier in the article. Also didn't link "Kidmuri" since it doesn't have an article - "Kidmuri" refers to the "Kidmuri temple" in Nineveh.
Ichthyovenator (
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14:18, 7 February 2020 (UTC)reply
despite its continuing overexpansion "overexpansion" is a tricky term, as it hints at
imperial overstretch. If you mean that, then it is an assessment and requires attribution to a scholar (and, ideally, a quote). I this a slip, then simply rephrase, e.g. "despite its continuing expansion".
Nineveh, was the largest city on the planet any numbers? "Largest city" means different things in different periods, after all...
I've added in a source with an estimate of about 120,000 people in Nineveh in 650 BC. Small by modern standards, huge by ancient Mesopotamian standards.
Ichthyovenator (
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15:26, 7 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Looks very good, a well-written and informative article on an important but neglected subject. Minor issues remain (see below), but otherwise this was a joy to read and review.
Comments
I've removed the bold and italic markings on the footnotes, I don't know why you put them there, they are not visible and serve no purpose.
Yeah, these were unintentional. I believe they have something to do with the visual editor and the sfn-template but I'm unsure how and why; it has happened in other articles I've written too.
Ichthyovenator (
talk)
17:56, 4 February 2020 (UTC)reply
which would probably have had problematic consequences if Shamash-shum-ukin was to ascend to the Assyrian throne. such as?
I've changed this part since the source specifies that the appointment of Shamash-shum-ukin as Assyrian heir would be what would have had "serious consequences", not his ascending to the throne. The source does not specify what does consequences would be (revolts probably?).
Ichthyovenator (
talk)
18:06, 4 February 2020 (UTC)reply
According to Ashurbanipal, Esarhaddon had favored him... In which context was this statement made/where does it come from? It might be a good place to introduce the fact that we get (If I understand this correctly) most of our information from Ashurbanipal's own decrees etc.
Yeah, it comes from Ashurbanipal's own later accounts (I buffed this sentence up a bit, unsure if it's good enough yet). Ashurbanipal's annals are the major sources for his reign but they're obviously biased (since they were written by Ashurbanipal) - notably the king is often described as destroying Assyria's enemies himself (with his army only being mentioned marginally). All the things the Assyrian army is described as doing in the article is probably stuff Ashurbanipal claims to have done himself.
Ichthyovenator (
talk)
18:25, 4 February 2020 (UTC)reply
such as Nippur, Uruk and Ur, and the rulers in the Sea Land, link the cities and wither give an appropriate link or briefly explain what/where the sea land was
Changed to "one of Egypt's ancient capitals" since it appears that Thebes wasn't the capital at the time (though it had been several times previously).
Ichthyovenator (
talk)
18:28, 4 February 2020 (UTC)reply
The Cimmerians, a nomadic Indo-European people, add something like "living in the southern Caucasus north of Assyria" or something to that effect
Some scholars, Other scholars, etc. in all cases where this occurs, can you name a couple of them? For example, while others believe that the king should not be judged for what happened to his empire after his death is cited to Britannica. is this opinion shared by others, or is it just the Britannica author's? If the latter, it should be clearly marked as such and possibly even quoted, e.g., "while Donald John Wiseman, in the Encyclopaedia Britannica article on the king, holds that "It is no indictment of his rule that his empire fell within two decades after his death; this was due to external pressures rather than to internal strife".
I've gone through every time "some/other scholars" and "some historians" appeared and hopefully fixed this issue. In cases where the person(s) behind said opinion are obvious I've mentioned their names and sometimes quoted,
Ichthyovenator (
talk)
20:18, 5 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Standardize ISBN formats, add missing locations to books, and oclc id's for older books that do not have an ISBN.
Earwig's tool shows violations, but these are due the extensive quotes, so no worries there. A spotcheck in three other references failed to bring up any copyvio problems.
@
Ichthyovenator: I've finished my review. Please ping me when you've addressed/answered the comments above. I will then do a second read-through in case I missed anything, and pass the article then. Well done.
Constantine ✍ 17:41, 4 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Assur, Sin, Shamash, Adad, Bêl, Nabû, Ishtar of Nineveh, the queen of Kidmuri, Ishtar of Arbela, Urta, Nergal and Nusku, can you link the deities and localities to relevant articles?
Linked all except the gods Assur and Bêl and the city Nineveh which are already linked earlier in the article. Also didn't link "Kidmuri" since it doesn't have an article - "Kidmuri" refers to the "Kidmuri temple" in Nineveh.
Ichthyovenator (
talk)
14:18, 7 February 2020 (UTC)reply
despite its continuing overexpansion "overexpansion" is a tricky term, as it hints at
imperial overstretch. If you mean that, then it is an assessment and requires attribution to a scholar (and, ideally, a quote). I this a slip, then simply rephrase, e.g. "despite its continuing expansion".
Nineveh, was the largest city on the planet any numbers? "Largest city" means different things in different periods, after all...
I've added in a source with an estimate of about 120,000 people in Nineveh in 650 BC. Small by modern standards, huge by ancient Mesopotamian standards.
Ichthyovenator (
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15:26, 7 February 2020 (UTC)reply