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I have been asked to have a look at this from an uninvolved third party perspective. As you both know, on the basic level everything in Wikipedia needs to be verifiable. In this case one editor has challenged another as to whether there are sources for the medal entitlement of this officer. In this case, particularly as a BLP, the burden of evidence is on the editor who " adds or restores information" to provide the sources that back up the claim. " Any material challenged or likely to be challenged" needs to be sourced. This isn't quite a blue sky case I think it is valid to say that someone with no military experience coming to this article would likely challenge whether he has these medals. In that sense I don't think it improper to ask for a citation.
That doesn't condone the actions of both editors involved in this. You are both aware of the three revert rule and the rather standard form of these disputes ie bold revert discuss. Once reverted, discuss and invite third party opinions on it. There are plenty of places to ask for opinions as you both know. Woody ( talk) 15:02, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
I have addressed all of your points above. - No, you haven't.
You have yet to make ANY relevant comment regarding my second point.
What's your point in making that statement? Are you calling me a liar? Are you saying I'm stupid? Are you trying to be clever? What? Why?
Why do you think I would continue to ask you to explain yourself if you had been explaining yourself?
Your statement "I have addressed all of your points above" is so obviously false that I don't understand why you would make such a statement.
The medals require references per Wikipedia policy as information on them is not general knowledge. - That doesn't mean anything, and doesn't say anything. It's just noise, and adds nothing useful to the communication. If anything, it adds negative value because it's an irrelevant distraction.
I will again address what you raised in point 2: - Sorry, that's impossible. You have yet to address it at all, so you can not possibly address it again.
the criteria for the Australian Defence Medal may be known to you - Third time: How is that relevant? And to what is it relevant?
but it is not a common fact nor general knowledge. - What? The criteria? Yeah, OK, the criteria ain't common knowledge. So what? It doesn't require a research degree to find and read http://www.itsanhonour.gov.au/honours/awards/medals/australian_defence_medal.cfm. What's your point?
Furthermore, simply providing a link to the Australian Defence Medal article is not sufficient as Wikipedia should never be used to reference itself. - I have no idea what you are talking about. It bears no relationship to anything I've said, stated, suggested or implied. Is it relevant? (I asked YOU to look at it. At no time did I state, suggest or imply that anyone else shoulf.)
The same principal applies to each of these medals; - Each of which medals? What are you talking about? I'm talking about the ADM for the very specific reason that I knew that if I didn't limit the conversation to the ADM, you would go off on an irrelevant tangent.
the information on whether Power possesses these medals needs to be referenced to a reliable, third party source. - Big sigh. Second time: Let me assure you, repeating something irrelevant does not somehow magically make it relevant.
Come on, pay attention. I'll hold your hand, break it into tiny little bits, and go through the bits step by step:
First step:
Pdfpdf ( talk) 14:56, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Per Woody, my own arguments, WP:V, WP:BURDEN and WP:RS, I am placing the citation needed tags back into the article. Abraham, B.S. ( talk) 12:18, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
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I have been asked to have a look at this from an uninvolved third party perspective. As you both know, on the basic level everything in Wikipedia needs to be verifiable. In this case one editor has challenged another as to whether there are sources for the medal entitlement of this officer. In this case, particularly as a BLP, the burden of evidence is on the editor who " adds or restores information" to provide the sources that back up the claim. " Any material challenged or likely to be challenged" needs to be sourced. This isn't quite a blue sky case I think it is valid to say that someone with no military experience coming to this article would likely challenge whether he has these medals. In that sense I don't think it improper to ask for a citation.
That doesn't condone the actions of both editors involved in this. You are both aware of the three revert rule and the rather standard form of these disputes ie bold revert discuss. Once reverted, discuss and invite third party opinions on it. There are plenty of places to ask for opinions as you both know. Woody ( talk) 15:02, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
I have addressed all of your points above. - No, you haven't.
You have yet to make ANY relevant comment regarding my second point.
What's your point in making that statement? Are you calling me a liar? Are you saying I'm stupid? Are you trying to be clever? What? Why?
Why do you think I would continue to ask you to explain yourself if you had been explaining yourself?
Your statement "I have addressed all of your points above" is so obviously false that I don't understand why you would make such a statement.
The medals require references per Wikipedia policy as information on them is not general knowledge. - That doesn't mean anything, and doesn't say anything. It's just noise, and adds nothing useful to the communication. If anything, it adds negative value because it's an irrelevant distraction.
I will again address what you raised in point 2: - Sorry, that's impossible. You have yet to address it at all, so you can not possibly address it again.
the criteria for the Australian Defence Medal may be known to you - Third time: How is that relevant? And to what is it relevant?
but it is not a common fact nor general knowledge. - What? The criteria? Yeah, OK, the criteria ain't common knowledge. So what? It doesn't require a research degree to find and read http://www.itsanhonour.gov.au/honours/awards/medals/australian_defence_medal.cfm. What's your point?
Furthermore, simply providing a link to the Australian Defence Medal article is not sufficient as Wikipedia should never be used to reference itself. - I have no idea what you are talking about. It bears no relationship to anything I've said, stated, suggested or implied. Is it relevant? (I asked YOU to look at it. At no time did I state, suggest or imply that anyone else shoulf.)
The same principal applies to each of these medals; - Each of which medals? What are you talking about? I'm talking about the ADM for the very specific reason that I knew that if I didn't limit the conversation to the ADM, you would go off on an irrelevant tangent.
the information on whether Power possesses these medals needs to be referenced to a reliable, third party source. - Big sigh. Second time: Let me assure you, repeating something irrelevant does not somehow magically make it relevant.
Come on, pay attention. I'll hold your hand, break it into tiny little bits, and go through the bits step by step:
First step:
Pdfpdf ( talk) 14:56, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Per Woody, my own arguments, WP:V, WP:BURDEN and WP:RS, I am placing the citation needed tags back into the article. Abraham, B.S. ( talk) 12:18, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
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