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Taken from User talk:George Ho:
I'm not sure how to explain this: this article may contain original research because the source is itself the show possibly. The show is the primary source, and the secondary, third-party, and/or independent sources must verify any entry that are consisted. If it doesn't contain original research, the sources are too insufficient to verify all the entries consisted in this article. How important are theme sequences, according to non-primary sources? Are sources active or inactive? Why should this article consist of any entry? How relevant is any entry?
— from me
In additional, why did you insert the "President Kennedy Assassination" section? Can you find non-primary sources, not affiliated primarily with As the World Turns, to verify this entry? -- George Ho ( talk) 08:21, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
LOL - George, this is how I first met you: Talk:The_Benny_Hill_Show/Archive_2#Possibly_Overdetailed_and_a_Fansite (and hi to Pinkadelica again :)). George is currently being mentored, to try and eliminate this kind of thing, so please be patient with him as much as possible (frustrating though I know this kind of thing is). As I see it, George - here's a simple solution for you:
Other things you can consider.
Just some thoughts... (see also here -which is where we should continue general tagging discussion not related to this article in particular) Begoon talk 00:33, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Back on topic, George is going to work on this title sequence section in a sandbox. In the light of Pinkadelica's comment, is it worth George enquiring at a project page to get some guidance as to the length/detail acceptable per norms for this kind of section, so he knows how much to "cut"? This might save him lots of time. Begoon talk
Ok, so without knowing much about this show I've gone through and attempted to fix the errors that were repeatedly marked. First, quite a bit of what was marked as "original research" is not original research. In most cases, it is content that is simply gleaned from episodes of the show. What wasn't sourced to episodes was rather easy to source via third party sources (ie books) which I added when I could find them. As such, I removed quite a few of the inline "or" tags. The "Broadcast" section was also tagged heavily. After reading the content, it is clear that is unsourced (which the tag at the top of the article points out, no need to tag it again as nothing there is particularly contentious or questionable). I highly doubt it is "original research" in the traditional sense, but it was likely written by someone who owns one of those spiffy broadcast history books and related all the information without citing it. While someone might find all that content interesting, I found it overwhelming and a wee bit too detailed for an encyclopedia. As such, I tagged it as being overly detailed because that is the issue that jumped out at me. My suggestion is to trim the section as a lot of what is there is trivial. I would have done so, but school awaits me in the early morning so I didn't try to wade through it tonight. If no one does it by the weekend, I will give it a go.
I also cut down the section regarding the JFK assassination as it was overly detailed. If someone is really interested in knowing what commercials played during the broadcast, etc., they can simply watch the video on YouTube or elsewhere on the net. As for the supposed copy editing issues, I also went through the article checking for misspellings, weird sentences, etc. and really found none. The worst thing I found was repeated instances of overlinking (which I fixed). As such, I removed the tags for that in the places where I checked for errors.
As for the rest of the issues that are present and tagged, I think these can be easily fixed. For instance, the international airings section that is tagged for OR. Simply removing the times, dates, etc. should solve that problem if someone thinks that content is from someone's memory. In other articles, tables are usually set up with flag icons indicating what country/channel aired the series. If the section remains, that would probably be the best way to present that content.
Finally, I take it that it was agreed upon that the title sequence be presented in table formatting. I don't know if that is the best way to go about it as the current version of the article with the table is a bit hard to read. There is also an audio file and picture in the box which kind of distorts it. It also does not look like it is formatted properly as text that should not appear is visible. Pinkadelica ♣ 01:35, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
Which position for the image is more suitable: the lead of the "Title Sequence" or the section of "2007-2009"? -- George Ho ( talk) 23:41, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
I really don't see the point on keeping the verb in the present tense ("is") as the show has ended in 2010, doesn't that merit a change to the past tense ("was")? Though there's a thing in the article that says "is" since the series has ended, how can the article still be in the present tense? I would like someone to help me with that. -- Marceki111 ( talk) 11:08, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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Taken from User talk:George Ho:
I'm not sure how to explain this: this article may contain original research because the source is itself the show possibly. The show is the primary source, and the secondary, third-party, and/or independent sources must verify any entry that are consisted. If it doesn't contain original research, the sources are too insufficient to verify all the entries consisted in this article. How important are theme sequences, according to non-primary sources? Are sources active or inactive? Why should this article consist of any entry? How relevant is any entry?
— from me
In additional, why did you insert the "President Kennedy Assassination" section? Can you find non-primary sources, not affiliated primarily with As the World Turns, to verify this entry? -- George Ho ( talk) 08:21, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
LOL - George, this is how I first met you: Talk:The_Benny_Hill_Show/Archive_2#Possibly_Overdetailed_and_a_Fansite (and hi to Pinkadelica again :)). George is currently being mentored, to try and eliminate this kind of thing, so please be patient with him as much as possible (frustrating though I know this kind of thing is). As I see it, George - here's a simple solution for you:
Other things you can consider.
Just some thoughts... (see also here -which is where we should continue general tagging discussion not related to this article in particular) Begoon talk 00:33, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Back on topic, George is going to work on this title sequence section in a sandbox. In the light of Pinkadelica's comment, is it worth George enquiring at a project page to get some guidance as to the length/detail acceptable per norms for this kind of section, so he knows how much to "cut"? This might save him lots of time. Begoon talk
Ok, so without knowing much about this show I've gone through and attempted to fix the errors that were repeatedly marked. First, quite a bit of what was marked as "original research" is not original research. In most cases, it is content that is simply gleaned from episodes of the show. What wasn't sourced to episodes was rather easy to source via third party sources (ie books) which I added when I could find them. As such, I removed quite a few of the inline "or" tags. The "Broadcast" section was also tagged heavily. After reading the content, it is clear that is unsourced (which the tag at the top of the article points out, no need to tag it again as nothing there is particularly contentious or questionable). I highly doubt it is "original research" in the traditional sense, but it was likely written by someone who owns one of those spiffy broadcast history books and related all the information without citing it. While someone might find all that content interesting, I found it overwhelming and a wee bit too detailed for an encyclopedia. As such, I tagged it as being overly detailed because that is the issue that jumped out at me. My suggestion is to trim the section as a lot of what is there is trivial. I would have done so, but school awaits me in the early morning so I didn't try to wade through it tonight. If no one does it by the weekend, I will give it a go.
I also cut down the section regarding the JFK assassination as it was overly detailed. If someone is really interested in knowing what commercials played during the broadcast, etc., they can simply watch the video on YouTube or elsewhere on the net. As for the supposed copy editing issues, I also went through the article checking for misspellings, weird sentences, etc. and really found none. The worst thing I found was repeated instances of overlinking (which I fixed). As such, I removed the tags for that in the places where I checked for errors.
As for the rest of the issues that are present and tagged, I think these can be easily fixed. For instance, the international airings section that is tagged for OR. Simply removing the times, dates, etc. should solve that problem if someone thinks that content is from someone's memory. In other articles, tables are usually set up with flag icons indicating what country/channel aired the series. If the section remains, that would probably be the best way to present that content.
Finally, I take it that it was agreed upon that the title sequence be presented in table formatting. I don't know if that is the best way to go about it as the current version of the article with the table is a bit hard to read. There is also an audio file and picture in the box which kind of distorts it. It also does not look like it is formatted properly as text that should not appear is visible. Pinkadelica ♣ 01:35, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
Which position for the image is more suitable: the lead of the "Title Sequence" or the section of "2007-2009"? -- George Ho ( talk) 23:41, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
I really don't see the point on keeping the verb in the present tense ("is") as the show has ended in 2010, doesn't that merit a change to the past tense ("was")? Though there's a thing in the article that says "is" since the series has ended, how can the article still be in the present tense? I would like someone to help me with that. -- Marceki111 ( talk) 11:08, 19 September 2012 (UTC)