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I have changed the sentence near the end stating that Addie regards all her children dismissively but one to all but two. Remember that though she clearly favors Jewel, she also loves (without using the empty word) Cash for "violating" her, making him the first person she feels a connection with. If anybody disagrees with this change, feel free to revert it, but please put your reasoning here. -- queso man 23:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
This needs to be completely rewritten or else deleted. It is atrocious. The two last paragraphs contradict each other in stating that different characters are "the Christ-like figure" to be found in the novel. Other gems include lines like "The true hero lives in the tension between thinking and acting…"
I will leave it up for a day as a grace period, but unless anyone familiar with the work steps up to rewrite this section, it will be removed. Ipsenaut 01:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
The Agamemnon quote refers to Greek rites including the lady with dog like eyes which is goddess Isis or the Holy Spirit and your dying is a prelude then to your rebirth as a Christlike figure or quetzacoatl ...
harkonen 19 @ atreides —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.247.22.112 ( talk) 15:42, 16 December 2006 (UTC).
Yes,...furthermore, Agamemnon does not seem to address Odysseus in the whole of Book Eleven. So what is this title stuff from? It needs a citation.
I don't have a copy of The Odyssey on me at the moment, but the Editors' Note at the end of the First Vintage International Edition (October 1990) of As I Lay Dying agrees fully with the info in the article. It says says "When asked the source of his title, Faulkner would sometimes quote from memory the speech of Agamemnon to Odysseus, in the Odyssey, Book XI: " and then gives the exact same quote as in the article. FerralMoonrender ( MyTalk • MyContribs • EmailMe) 03:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC) P.S. Please sign your posts. Thanks.
I think that the lady with the dog's eyes is Clytemnestra, personally. It was a Greek tradition that he or she who was closest to the one who was dying would close his/her eyes, I believe. Clytemnestra refused to do this because she hated Agamemnon and had killed him. Agamemnon was telling his story to Odysseus while the latter was in the underworld to get information from Teiresias. I have not read the Odyssey, but I have read the Oresteia, which led my to my hypothesis. -- queso man 23:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it's Clytemnestra with the dog's eyes. Like Clytemnestra, Addie is a deeply repugnant character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.31.7.21 ( talk) 16:31, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Do we really need a reference, with links, to "the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, and other English-speaking countries"? Is the distinction between colleges and universities worth mentioning? Hasn't Faulkner received recognition outside Anglophonia? D021317c 03:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
This is not true. Before the Nobel Prize he was more read in France than anywhere else. See Sartre and de Beauvoir's aarticle on him in modern times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.232.66.242 ( talk) 21:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Nowhere in the book does it actually give the exact ages of any of the characters, so I am curious as to where these numbers came from. Could the person who added them please give a citation? The book does state the childrens' relative ages, so If nobody comes up with a citation, I will change them to approximate ages or just "youngest," "oldest," etc. FerralMoonrender ( MyTalk • MyContribs • EmailMe) 03:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I think the plot summary and Literary Techniques sections need to be expanded. I am definately willing to do this, but I don't have the time at this moment. I should be back in a couple days. The book is also very thematic, and the major themes absolutely must be covered (I sense some major debate will follow about what those themes are.) If it's not too much, a "reactions to / impacts of this book" section may be useful. And shouldn't we mention that it won a Nobel prize? FerralMoonrender ( MyTalk • MyContribs • EmailMe) 01:34, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Surely the novel is more significant? 138.69.160.1 20:00, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
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Peabody, the doctor in the novel, responsible for at least one chapter of the books content, is not mentioned within the article. I do not know the book well enough to add him in myself, so would he be mentioned somewhere? Just another guy trying to be a Chemical Engineer, Nanobiotechnologist, and Mathematician ( talk) 03:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
A few months ago a very limited discussion was held by a few editors on an disambig redirect page. The result was a claimed "consensus" that the article As I Lay Dying should redirect to As I Lay Dying (disambiguation). The reasoning was that a band named after the novel was now more well known than the novel, meaning the main "As I Lay Dying" phrase shouldn't link only to the novel.
The problem is that as it clearly states here, disambig pages should only be created "If there are three or more topics associated with the same term." That is not the case here. Since the band is named for the book, making the book the primary topic, and the band's album has part of its title taken from the band's name, the proper course is to have a disambig link at the top of the novel article.
If people want to change this guidelines, that is fine. But to do that, we need to have a true consensus building discussion. Please go [ [1]] to voice your opinion on this issue.-- SouthernNights ( talk) 17:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was no consensus. Primary topic moves must show a clear, unambiguous prevalence for a single topic; that is not apparent here. kotra ( talk) 00:30, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
As I Lay Dying (novel) →
As I Lay Dying — The novel is the clear
primary topic of this name. Some time ago it was argued that
As I Lay Dying (band) should be the primary target, but use in reliable sources favors the novel by a very wide margin.--
Cúchullain
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The page now states that Anse was not aware of Addie's affair. But in recounting the history of her childbearing, Addie states twice that she had cut Anse off sexually before Jewel was born. Would Anse then not be aware that Jewel was not his son, even if the identity of the father was protected by Addie? AAT17 ( talk) 23:37, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
The last paragraph of this section cites Adie's wish to be buried in Jefferson as one of her dying requests, but that is not accurate. She makes Anse promise to bury her with her kin in Jefferson after Darl was born. I have it in iBooks, so the best pagination I can give is: 238-239 of 405. I feel the entire last paragraph could use a rewrite. Davehennager ( talk) 06:53, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
This section also contains a sentence starting "The story helped found the Southern Renaissance and directs a great deal of effort"... I don't understand. Maybe it meant to say "demands a great deal of effort" (or "attention")? It's hard to correct without knowing what the writer was trying to express. Terrycojones ( talk) 13:21, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
What is meant by "he did not change a word of it"? That he never revised it after publishing, that he didn't create more than one draft, or something else? InverseHypercube ( talk) 05:00, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
The current plot summary is copied word-for-word from the SparkNotes plot summary of this novel. I assume that this is not allowed? Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 04:08, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
The intro states that AILD is Faulkner's 7th novel, but his bibliography show it as fifth. Which is it? It seems to me it should read fifth, but I don't want to step on an editors toes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.191.217.208 ( talk) 14:35, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm removing the claim that Darl is the most objective character in the book. The claim is at best problematic, and there are a great many critical studies that warn against too closely aligning Darl with any sort of objective reality or authorial voice (not to mention Faulkner's own claims that he is insane from the get go). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.218.13.42 ( talk) 17:54, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: pages moved. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 18:03, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
– Today three different editors, Drmies, Dirtlawyer1, and BusterD, expressed a wish to see a new RM for this. The argument is that the novel remains the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of this name in terms of long-term significance, as it has for over 80 years. That point hard to argue with; the novel has been widely regarded as one of the most significant works in English literature for decades. Additionally, the page view statistics have changed dramatically since the last RM six years ago: today, the novel receives more views than the band, receiving 51,637 views compared to 49,398 for As I Lay Dying (band). The novel also trumps the band by wide margins in the sources: Google News returns 5130 hits for "As I Lay Dying" Faulkner versus 2540 for "As I Lay Dying" band. Google Books returns an overwhelming ratio of 65,100 to 2660, and Google Scholar returns 4060 for the novel and few if any for the band. Cúchullain t/ c 19:46, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello, sorry I'm french, and I speak english very bad... (pléonasme ?! ahah !) but it is writing "Faulkner presents 15 different points of view, each chapter narrated by one character, including Addie", and in the list of the characters, they are 16 (and in the book also !) Perhaps I did not understand the "including", for Addie ? Thanks ! -- 84.6.210.151 ( talk) 22:05, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
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The lede currently states that the title is based on the 1925 translation by William Sinclair Marris, which it quotes as reading "As I lay dying, the woman with the dog's eyes would not close my eyes as I descended into Hades." However, the Marris translation (link displays relevant page spread) does not appear to include this quote – in fact, it's written in a completely different meter. What translation does "As I lay dying" really come from? Do we have a source? — ezlev ( user/ tlk/ ctrbs) 06:32, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
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On 14 September 2009, it was proposed that this article be moved from As I Lay Dying (novel) to As I Lay Dying. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
On 17 April 2015, it was proposed that this article be moved from As I Lay Dying (novel) to As I Lay Dying. The result of the discussion was page moved. |
I have changed the sentence near the end stating that Addie regards all her children dismissively but one to all but two. Remember that though she clearly favors Jewel, she also loves (without using the empty word) Cash for "violating" her, making him the first person she feels a connection with. If anybody disagrees with this change, feel free to revert it, but please put your reasoning here. -- queso man 23:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
This needs to be completely rewritten or else deleted. It is atrocious. The two last paragraphs contradict each other in stating that different characters are "the Christ-like figure" to be found in the novel. Other gems include lines like "The true hero lives in the tension between thinking and acting…"
I will leave it up for a day as a grace period, but unless anyone familiar with the work steps up to rewrite this section, it will be removed. Ipsenaut 01:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
The Agamemnon quote refers to Greek rites including the lady with dog like eyes which is goddess Isis or the Holy Spirit and your dying is a prelude then to your rebirth as a Christlike figure or quetzacoatl ...
harkonen 19 @ atreides —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.247.22.112 ( talk) 15:42, 16 December 2006 (UTC).
Yes,...furthermore, Agamemnon does not seem to address Odysseus in the whole of Book Eleven. So what is this title stuff from? It needs a citation.
I don't have a copy of The Odyssey on me at the moment, but the Editors' Note at the end of the First Vintage International Edition (October 1990) of As I Lay Dying agrees fully with the info in the article. It says says "When asked the source of his title, Faulkner would sometimes quote from memory the speech of Agamemnon to Odysseus, in the Odyssey, Book XI: " and then gives the exact same quote as in the article. FerralMoonrender ( MyTalk • MyContribs • EmailMe) 03:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC) P.S. Please sign your posts. Thanks.
I think that the lady with the dog's eyes is Clytemnestra, personally. It was a Greek tradition that he or she who was closest to the one who was dying would close his/her eyes, I believe. Clytemnestra refused to do this because she hated Agamemnon and had killed him. Agamemnon was telling his story to Odysseus while the latter was in the underworld to get information from Teiresias. I have not read the Odyssey, but I have read the Oresteia, which led my to my hypothesis. -- queso man 23:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it's Clytemnestra with the dog's eyes. Like Clytemnestra, Addie is a deeply repugnant character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.31.7.21 ( talk) 16:31, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Do we really need a reference, with links, to "the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, and other English-speaking countries"? Is the distinction between colleges and universities worth mentioning? Hasn't Faulkner received recognition outside Anglophonia? D021317c 03:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
This is not true. Before the Nobel Prize he was more read in France than anywhere else. See Sartre and de Beauvoir's aarticle on him in modern times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.232.66.242 ( talk) 21:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Nowhere in the book does it actually give the exact ages of any of the characters, so I am curious as to where these numbers came from. Could the person who added them please give a citation? The book does state the childrens' relative ages, so If nobody comes up with a citation, I will change them to approximate ages or just "youngest," "oldest," etc. FerralMoonrender ( MyTalk • MyContribs • EmailMe) 03:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I think the plot summary and Literary Techniques sections need to be expanded. I am definately willing to do this, but I don't have the time at this moment. I should be back in a couple days. The book is also very thematic, and the major themes absolutely must be covered (I sense some major debate will follow about what those themes are.) If it's not too much, a "reactions to / impacts of this book" section may be useful. And shouldn't we mention that it won a Nobel prize? FerralMoonrender ( MyTalk • MyContribs • EmailMe) 01:34, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Surely the novel is more significant? 138.69.160.1 20:00, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
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Peabody, the doctor in the novel, responsible for at least one chapter of the books content, is not mentioned within the article. I do not know the book well enough to add him in myself, so would he be mentioned somewhere? Just another guy trying to be a Chemical Engineer, Nanobiotechnologist, and Mathematician ( talk) 03:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
A few months ago a very limited discussion was held by a few editors on an disambig redirect page. The result was a claimed "consensus" that the article As I Lay Dying should redirect to As I Lay Dying (disambiguation). The reasoning was that a band named after the novel was now more well known than the novel, meaning the main "As I Lay Dying" phrase shouldn't link only to the novel.
The problem is that as it clearly states here, disambig pages should only be created "If there are three or more topics associated with the same term." That is not the case here. Since the band is named for the book, making the book the primary topic, and the band's album has part of its title taken from the band's name, the proper course is to have a disambig link at the top of the novel article.
If people want to change this guidelines, that is fine. But to do that, we need to have a true consensus building discussion. Please go [ [1]] to voice your opinion on this issue.-- SouthernNights ( talk) 17:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was no consensus. Primary topic moves must show a clear, unambiguous prevalence for a single topic; that is not apparent here. kotra ( talk) 00:30, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
As I Lay Dying (novel) →
As I Lay Dying — The novel is the clear
primary topic of this name. Some time ago it was argued that
As I Lay Dying (band) should be the primary target, but use in reliable sources favors the novel by a very wide margin.--
Cúchullain
t/
c 17:20, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
The page now states that Anse was not aware of Addie's affair. But in recounting the history of her childbearing, Addie states twice that she had cut Anse off sexually before Jewel was born. Would Anse then not be aware that Jewel was not his son, even if the identity of the father was protected by Addie? AAT17 ( talk) 23:37, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
The last paragraph of this section cites Adie's wish to be buried in Jefferson as one of her dying requests, but that is not accurate. She makes Anse promise to bury her with her kin in Jefferson after Darl was born. I have it in iBooks, so the best pagination I can give is: 238-239 of 405. I feel the entire last paragraph could use a rewrite. Davehennager ( talk) 06:53, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
This section also contains a sentence starting "The story helped found the Southern Renaissance and directs a great deal of effort"... I don't understand. Maybe it meant to say "demands a great deal of effort" (or "attention")? It's hard to correct without knowing what the writer was trying to express. Terrycojones ( talk) 13:21, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
What is meant by "he did not change a word of it"? That he never revised it after publishing, that he didn't create more than one draft, or something else? InverseHypercube ( talk) 05:00, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
The current plot summary is copied word-for-word from the SparkNotes plot summary of this novel. I assume that this is not allowed? Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 04:08, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
The intro states that AILD is Faulkner's 7th novel, but his bibliography show it as fifth. Which is it? It seems to me it should read fifth, but I don't want to step on an editors toes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.191.217.208 ( talk) 14:35, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm removing the claim that Darl is the most objective character in the book. The claim is at best problematic, and there are a great many critical studies that warn against too closely aligning Darl with any sort of objective reality or authorial voice (not to mention Faulkner's own claims that he is insane from the get go). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.218.13.42 ( talk) 17:54, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: pages moved. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 18:03, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
– Today three different editors, Drmies, Dirtlawyer1, and BusterD, expressed a wish to see a new RM for this. The argument is that the novel remains the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of this name in terms of long-term significance, as it has for over 80 years. That point hard to argue with; the novel has been widely regarded as one of the most significant works in English literature for decades. Additionally, the page view statistics have changed dramatically since the last RM six years ago: today, the novel receives more views than the band, receiving 51,637 views compared to 49,398 for As I Lay Dying (band). The novel also trumps the band by wide margins in the sources: Google News returns 5130 hits for "As I Lay Dying" Faulkner versus 2540 for "As I Lay Dying" band. Google Books returns an overwhelming ratio of 65,100 to 2660, and Google Scholar returns 4060 for the novel and few if any for the band. Cúchullain t/ c 19:46, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello, sorry I'm french, and I speak english very bad... (pléonasme ?! ahah !) but it is writing "Faulkner presents 15 different points of view, each chapter narrated by one character, including Addie", and in the list of the characters, they are 16 (and in the book also !) Perhaps I did not understand the "including", for Addie ? Thanks ! -- 84.6.210.151 ( talk) 22:05, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
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The lede currently states that the title is based on the 1925 translation by William Sinclair Marris, which it quotes as reading "As I lay dying, the woman with the dog's eyes would not close my eyes as I descended into Hades." However, the Marris translation (link displays relevant page spread) does not appear to include this quote – in fact, it's written in a completely different meter. What translation does "As I lay dying" really come from? Do we have a source? — ezlev ( user/ tlk/ ctrbs) 06:32, 20 November 2022 (UTC)