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http://www.g-music.com.tw/GMusicBillboard2.aspx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.184.90 ( talk) 11:42, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Greece: http://www.ifpi.gr/charts_en.html JLeemans1 ( talk) 20:01, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Well, I added the Argentinian Gold Certification for ARTPOP but someone just revert it for no reasons, so someone add it please: SOURCES: Universal Music - Lady Gaga's discography/distributor on its official web page ( http://www.universalmusic-conosur.com/), Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152021151427208&set=a.446186627207.248357.95746867207&type=1) and Twitter ( https://twitter.com/UMArgentina/status/406077012365680640) TN - TV Channel news, part of Clarin (the best-selling newspaper in the country) http://tn.com.ar/musica/hoy/lady-gaga-con-todo-ya-es-un-exito-artpop-en-la-argentina_423978 TKM Magazine - One of the best-selling teens magazine http://www.mundotkm.com/hot-news-162024-artpop-es-disco-de-oro-en-argentina — Preceding unsigned comment added by HC 5555 ( talk • contribs) 18:54, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Review that..!!! http://www.cyta.gr/el/IFPI — Preceding unsigned comment added by CarlitosFabri ( talk • contribs) 23:20, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
http://artpopnews.wikispaces.com/home
This link shows an interview with Gaga confirming Aura as the next single, blah blah blah, and all that stuff! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TDBiggestFan ( talk • contribs) 22:48, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Here is the link http://tn.com.ar/musica/hoy/lady-gaga-con-todo-ya-es-un-exito-artpop-en-la-argentina_423978
TN is one of the most important news channel in Argentina. (Is in spanish) Gold: 20000 Units.
Plus. She's 8 in the monthly charts of CAPIF Argentina. You can see it here:
http://www.capif.org.ar/rankings.aspx
THank YOu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.123.187.249 ( talk) 13:37, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
madeon is not listed as producer on:
"Mary Jane Holland" and "Gypsy"
as well as co-producer on "Venus" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.1.179.81 ( talk) 11:27, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Please don't change the genre to opinions. The current citation in the infobox has a quote to support the genre. We can't call genres what we want as genre is subjective. Per WP:OR, WP:RS, and WP:SUBJECTIVE, don't change this unless you have sources discussing what the album as a whole sounds like. Not just individual songs. Andrzejbanas ( talk) 06:16, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
The NY Daily News describes the album as a primarily EDM and Disco album with "forays into R&B, hip hop and even soul". Would EDM and Disco work for the genre? User:Anonymous5454 ( talk) 05:47, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
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Lyrically, the album references Greek and Roman mythology, English novelist George Orwell, and classic jazz and electronic musician Sun Ra
Hello, Here's Gaga team, Haus of Gaga, we love Wikipedia page, please, to our concepts, Lady Gaga never read George Orwell books, and she does not have any consent about the reference, Criminal of Though is something about being convicted with a love one, so please remove it, there's no references to the great Orwell, though her team admires him. 179.236.73.59 ( talk) 17:38, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
ARTPOP is number one again on the Taiwanese Albums Chart again. Biagio2103 ( talk) 18:22, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
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http://lescharts.ch/weekchart.asp?cat=a&year=2013&date=20131124 77.58.120.172 ( talk) 20:54, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Please can you add on the charts the Cyprus album charts, were Artpop peaked at number 2? This is the link: http://cyprusmusiccharts.com/charts/official-cyprus-charts/ These charts are new, and are the official album charts based on retail sales of the major record shops in Cyprus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyprus2014 ( talk • contribs) 09:13, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
ARTPOP is number four on China Albums Charts [6]. Biagio2103 ( talk) 16:55, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
I think I saw that Lady Gaga and the album received a GLAAD nomination for quality music. -- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:38, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
@ Homeostasis07: Repeatedly removing positive quotes from critical reception page that are sourced and verified? Obvious bias and vandalism? User:Anonymous5454 ( talk) 01:41, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
The review summation as it stand now is ridiculously inaccurate in portraying what the review was stating. The person who originally included it picked out every negative comment in an overall positive review and shoved them all together. The review does NOT state that the album "failed to be art"; that's false. This needs to be reverted back to the way it was previously for months before being reverted by Homeostasis, someone who has recently gone through and removed multiple positive trends in the critical reception category and had been blocked previously for acting unprofessionally on Lady Gaga pages. User:Anonymous5454 ( talk) 23:52, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
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In France, ARTPOP has been certified Platinum for 100,000 shipments of the album. These are shipments, not sales.
Source: http://www.snepmusique.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Certifications_Albums_2013.pdf
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| Single 3 = G.U.Y (Girl Under You) | Single 3 date = March 22, 2013 Cameronsilver ( talk) 12:40, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
I'd like to restore this revision I made a few days ago, which was evidently reverted because there had been some consensus some time ago. I looked through it, and if I'm not mistaken, there isn't actually any source that says this album received "mixed to positive" reviews from critics. On the other hand, this article from Consequence of Sound and this article by The Daily Telegraph characterize the reception/reviews as "lukewarm". The former article deals specifically with the album's reception. Per WP:STICKTOSOURCE, "Best practice is to research the most reliable sources on the topic and summarize what they say in your own words, with each statement in the article attributable to a source that makes that statement explicitly." Dan56 ( talk) 03:58, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
According to Metacritic, 61/100 indicates "generally favorable reviews" NOT "generally mixed reviews" as this article states. This should be fixed. — Preceding
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Should the unverifiable statement ("Artpop received generally mixed to positive reviews from music critics" in
#Critical reception) be replaced by a verifiable statement ("received fairly lukewarm reviews")?
This revision I made earlier was reverted on the grounds that a previous consensus (
Talk:Artpop/Archive_2#Critical_Reception) decided to "report the critical reception of the album as 'mixed to positive'". Wikipedia does not publish original material, which this is if it cannot be attributed to a reliable source.
Oppose. Neither is appropriate. Go with "mixed reviews", cite 4-8 strong sources. (See discussion).
Agyle (
talk)
00:48, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Oppose per Agyle's rationale
XXSNUGGUMSXX (
talk)
06:37, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Neither Use neither "Generally mixed to positive" nor "fairly lukewarm". Better to go straight into 'Metacritic reported the album received an average score of 61 out of 100, based on 30 reviews from critics, which indicates "generally favorable reviews."' --
78.86.131.23 (
talk)
14:18, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
"Best practice is to research the most reliable sources on the topic and summarize what they say in your own words, with each statement in the article attributable to a source that makes that statement explicitly. Source material should be carefully summarized or rephrased without changing its meaning or implication. Take care not to go beyond what is expressed in the sources, or to use them in ways inconsistent with the intention of the source, such as using material out of context. In short, stick to the sources."
Dan56 ( talk) 03:47, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
(Invited here) I think that to really recommend an answer I'd have to spend a few hours researching and I'm not up for that. I do have a couple thoughts. A cornerstone of how Wikpedia articles are written is summarization of what is in sources. But, by the rigorous definition of wp:or / wp:synth most summmarization is wp:OR / wp:synthesis. So the real operative definition is that if there is no dispute, it's summarization, if there is a dispute it's wp:OR/Synth. :-). The most ideal answer would be to find an objective, knowledgeable wp:RS that summarizes the reviews and put what they say in there. If that is not available, the next best thing would be for the editors to agree on a sentence that summarizes the nature of reviews, being cautious when in doubt. You could call that a touch of wp:iar, or else something that fits within the fuzziness of how Wikipedia operates. If this has become "bigger" than it should be due to a pitched battle, forget that, shake hands, and in the mutual interest of making your lives more fun, give a little, pick some middle ground, and move on and have some fun here. (plan "C" would be to drop the idea of trying to summarize reviews) Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 10:38, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
According to Metacritic, 61/100 indicates "generally favorable reviews" NOT "generally mixed reviews" as this article states. This should be fixed. Here is a link to verify this: http://www.metacritic.com/music/artpop/lady-gaga Rjm241 ( talk) 23:21, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Well that is ridiculous as metacritic is the ultimate source for aggregate reviews. The website's purpose is to provide a summary of all reviews and it is silly to ignore what it has provided. Our attempts at summarizing reviews and coming up with a subjective "mixed" status seems futile when metacritic has done the work for us and provided a different and more objective response of "generally positive." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjm241 ( talk • contribs) 23:28, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
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http://www.g-music.com.tw/GMusicBillboard2.aspx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.184.90 ( talk) 11:42, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Greece: http://www.ifpi.gr/charts_en.html JLeemans1 ( talk) 20:01, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Well, I added the Argentinian Gold Certification for ARTPOP but someone just revert it for no reasons, so someone add it please: SOURCES: Universal Music - Lady Gaga's discography/distributor on its official web page ( http://www.universalmusic-conosur.com/), Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152021151427208&set=a.446186627207.248357.95746867207&type=1) and Twitter ( https://twitter.com/UMArgentina/status/406077012365680640) TN - TV Channel news, part of Clarin (the best-selling newspaper in the country) http://tn.com.ar/musica/hoy/lady-gaga-con-todo-ya-es-un-exito-artpop-en-la-argentina_423978 TKM Magazine - One of the best-selling teens magazine http://www.mundotkm.com/hot-news-162024-artpop-es-disco-de-oro-en-argentina — Preceding unsigned comment added by HC 5555 ( talk • contribs) 18:54, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Review that..!!! http://www.cyta.gr/el/IFPI — Preceding unsigned comment added by CarlitosFabri ( talk • contribs) 23:20, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
http://artpopnews.wikispaces.com/home
This link shows an interview with Gaga confirming Aura as the next single, blah blah blah, and all that stuff! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TDBiggestFan ( talk • contribs) 22:48, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Here is the link http://tn.com.ar/musica/hoy/lady-gaga-con-todo-ya-es-un-exito-artpop-en-la-argentina_423978
TN is one of the most important news channel in Argentina. (Is in spanish) Gold: 20000 Units.
Plus. She's 8 in the monthly charts of CAPIF Argentina. You can see it here:
http://www.capif.org.ar/rankings.aspx
THank YOu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.123.187.249 ( talk) 13:37, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
madeon is not listed as producer on:
"Mary Jane Holland" and "Gypsy"
as well as co-producer on "Venus" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.1.179.81 ( talk) 11:27, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Please don't change the genre to opinions. The current citation in the infobox has a quote to support the genre. We can't call genres what we want as genre is subjective. Per WP:OR, WP:RS, and WP:SUBJECTIVE, don't change this unless you have sources discussing what the album as a whole sounds like. Not just individual songs. Andrzejbanas ( talk) 06:16, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
The NY Daily News describes the album as a primarily EDM and Disco album with "forays into R&B, hip hop and even soul". Would EDM and Disco work for the genre? User:Anonymous5454 ( talk) 05:47, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
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Lyrically, the album references Greek and Roman mythology, English novelist George Orwell, and classic jazz and electronic musician Sun Ra
Hello, Here's Gaga team, Haus of Gaga, we love Wikipedia page, please, to our concepts, Lady Gaga never read George Orwell books, and she does not have any consent about the reference, Criminal of Though is something about being convicted with a love one, so please remove it, there's no references to the great Orwell, though her team admires him. 179.236.73.59 ( talk) 17:38, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
ARTPOP is number one again on the Taiwanese Albums Chart again. Biagio2103 ( talk) 18:22, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
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http://lescharts.ch/weekchart.asp?cat=a&year=2013&date=20131124 77.58.120.172 ( talk) 20:54, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Please can you add on the charts the Cyprus album charts, were Artpop peaked at number 2? This is the link: http://cyprusmusiccharts.com/charts/official-cyprus-charts/ These charts are new, and are the official album charts based on retail sales of the major record shops in Cyprus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyprus2014 ( talk • contribs) 09:13, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
ARTPOP is number four on China Albums Charts [6]. Biagio2103 ( talk) 16:55, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
I think I saw that Lady Gaga and the album received a GLAAD nomination for quality music. -- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:38, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
@ Homeostasis07: Repeatedly removing positive quotes from critical reception page that are sourced and verified? Obvious bias and vandalism? User:Anonymous5454 ( talk) 01:41, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
The review summation as it stand now is ridiculously inaccurate in portraying what the review was stating. The person who originally included it picked out every negative comment in an overall positive review and shoved them all together. The review does NOT state that the album "failed to be art"; that's false. This needs to be reverted back to the way it was previously for months before being reverted by Homeostasis, someone who has recently gone through and removed multiple positive trends in the critical reception category and had been blocked previously for acting unprofessionally on Lady Gaga pages. User:Anonymous5454 ( talk) 23:52, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
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In France, ARTPOP has been certified Platinum for 100,000 shipments of the album. These are shipments, not sales.
Source: http://www.snepmusique.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Certifications_Albums_2013.pdf
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| Single 3 = G.U.Y (Girl Under You) | Single 3 date = March 22, 2013 Cameronsilver ( talk) 12:40, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
I'd like to restore this revision I made a few days ago, which was evidently reverted because there had been some consensus some time ago. I looked through it, and if I'm not mistaken, there isn't actually any source that says this album received "mixed to positive" reviews from critics. On the other hand, this article from Consequence of Sound and this article by The Daily Telegraph characterize the reception/reviews as "lukewarm". The former article deals specifically with the album's reception. Per WP:STICKTOSOURCE, "Best practice is to research the most reliable sources on the topic and summarize what they say in your own words, with each statement in the article attributable to a source that makes that statement explicitly." Dan56 ( talk) 03:58, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
According to Metacritic, 61/100 indicates "generally favorable reviews" NOT "generally mixed reviews" as this article states. This should be fixed. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
141.161.133.171 (
talk)
23:16, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should the unverifiable statement ("Artpop received generally mixed to positive reviews from music critics" in
#Critical reception) be replaced by a verifiable statement ("received fairly lukewarm reviews")?
This revision I made earlier was reverted on the grounds that a previous consensus (
Talk:Artpop/Archive_2#Critical_Reception) decided to "report the critical reception of the album as 'mixed to positive'". Wikipedia does not publish original material, which this is if it cannot be attributed to a reliable source.
Oppose. Neither is appropriate. Go with "mixed reviews", cite 4-8 strong sources. (See discussion).
Agyle (
talk)
00:48, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Oppose per Agyle's rationale
XXSNUGGUMSXX (
talk)
06:37, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Neither Use neither "Generally mixed to positive" nor "fairly lukewarm". Better to go straight into 'Metacritic reported the album received an average score of 61 out of 100, based on 30 reviews from critics, which indicates "generally favorable reviews."' --
78.86.131.23 (
talk)
14:18, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
"Best practice is to research the most reliable sources on the topic and summarize what they say in your own words, with each statement in the article attributable to a source that makes that statement explicitly. Source material should be carefully summarized or rephrased without changing its meaning or implication. Take care not to go beyond what is expressed in the sources, or to use them in ways inconsistent with the intention of the source, such as using material out of context. In short, stick to the sources."
Dan56 ( talk) 03:47, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
(Invited here) I think that to really recommend an answer I'd have to spend a few hours researching and I'm not up for that. I do have a couple thoughts. A cornerstone of how Wikpedia articles are written is summarization of what is in sources. But, by the rigorous definition of wp:or / wp:synth most summmarization is wp:OR / wp:synthesis. So the real operative definition is that if there is no dispute, it's summarization, if there is a dispute it's wp:OR/Synth. :-). The most ideal answer would be to find an objective, knowledgeable wp:RS that summarizes the reviews and put what they say in there. If that is not available, the next best thing would be for the editors to agree on a sentence that summarizes the nature of reviews, being cautious when in doubt. You could call that a touch of wp:iar, or else something that fits within the fuzziness of how Wikipedia operates. If this has become "bigger" than it should be due to a pitched battle, forget that, shake hands, and in the mutual interest of making your lives more fun, give a little, pick some middle ground, and move on and have some fun here. (plan "C" would be to drop the idea of trying to summarize reviews) Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 10:38, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
According to Metacritic, 61/100 indicates "generally favorable reviews" NOT "generally mixed reviews" as this article states. This should be fixed. Here is a link to verify this: http://www.metacritic.com/music/artpop/lady-gaga Rjm241 ( talk) 23:21, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Well that is ridiculous as metacritic is the ultimate source for aggregate reviews. The website's purpose is to provide a summary of all reviews and it is silly to ignore what it has provided. Our attempts at summarizing reviews and coming up with a subjective "mixed" status seems futile when metacritic has done the work for us and provided a different and more objective response of "generally positive." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjm241 ( talk • contribs) 23:28, 23 April 2014 (UTC)