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Is this really so? I would understand a reference to phenomenas as for instance the Curonian Lagoon, that however isn't artificial, but canals... aren't they too narrow? -- Johan Magnus 22:36, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Yes, I agree, this particular phenomenon isn't terribly interesting, hence the words : less distinctive, incidental; however, it is one way that an island is artificially created and a piece of land is surrounded by water. For examples, see Dithmarschen and particularly Marble Hill, Manhattan, New York, which shows a real complex history: first a part of Manhattan Island, then isolated for about twenty years, and finally reconnected with the opposite shore of the Bronx. This of course was a recipe for municipal chaos. It wasn't really clear what borough it was now in; when a judge found it to be legally still a part of Manhattan in the 1930s the Bronx Borough President declared it 'the Bronx Sudetenland' (things worked out a little more peacefully here). The Romans also created one from the Tiber, called Isola Sacra, the holy island. Anyway, sometimes interesting (like Marble Hill), usually not so much, I think its something that should get a mention in this article.-- Pharos 00:08, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Thank you for your interesting answer. Dithmarschen is the only example physically close to me (200 miles), and in that case it wouldn't at all correpsond with my understanding. It would be, to me, similar to say that North-America was made an "island" through the digging of the
Panama Canal.
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Johan Magnus 00:27, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The article claims, that...
...it is usually constructed on an existing reef or may be an expansion of a small natural islet.
But is this so? An islet is a small island, so why would an artificially expanded natural islet turn it into an artificial island? Ellis Island do not actually belong to this article.-- Huaiwei 15:12, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
If no one is able to provide verification by the end of next week, I will go ahead and correct the article and List of artificial islands accordingly.-- Huaiwei 16:30, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Ellis Island is 90% artificial; it is much more artificial island than natural island. Most "traditional" artificial islands have been built on some existing natural structure, either a reef or a tiny bit of stone or dirt sticking above the water.-- Pharos 17:41, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
A recent comment made by User:Instantnood in [8] has aroused my attention to a line I missed in this article:
Can examples please be given with regards to this kind of "artificial island", because this effectively suggests that any man-made structure which protrudes isolated in the sea is now an artificial island, even if it was supported by piles or a floating platform? What are we gonna call an island next? A ship which dropped anchor?-- Huaiwei 21:39, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
One more day left before I edit this page tomorrow.-- Huaiwei 14:55, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
Via RFC:
I would not call oil rigs artificial islands. I can see why someone might want to though. Whoever is trying to change it has to know that generally oil rigs are not referred to as islands, because it is silly. They just want to change it to be more inclusive. I can respect that, I argue semantics all the time. I think it is easy to solve, you can make up some conditions if you want, how about these:
With this, all islands and artificial islands (since this is really about the defintion of "island," not just "artificial islands") fulfill all the conditions easily and obviously. Nothing else but an island would really fulfill it (I think). Oil rigs, not so much. This actually sits well with me, because you might be able to call the tube parts of oil rigs "artificial islands" (if they are attached to the ground) which is ok with me, but then the whole structure itself, the oil rig, isn't an island. This works with bridges and stuff too. Their supports would be little artificial islands, and I don't know if anyone would get too upset over that. You wouldn't call a bridge an artificial island that's for sure. What do you think?-- Ben 10:25, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
On the other hand, if you don't like defining things so much, you may just want to go with the more subjective culturally defined "island," and defer to "the things that people call islands", but since no calls oil rigs islands, then you simply don't call them that. I think whoever is wanting to call oil rigs islands has their own personal definition of island that they think is neutral and objective but it doesn't fit with other people's, so that means consensus either on a more hard-line objective definition like I suggested above (but which more than likely counts as "original research"), or consensus that the definition should defer to common usage. Or something like that :). I think mine is close enough to the subjective defintion, but I do understand that it can seem out of line to people. Personally, I like to keep things subjective when they are as common as the word "island" but I also like seeing if I can make up an objective definition. Anyway, I just hope these ideas help in your discussion.-- Ben 10:39, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Hmmm I see you have already solved it a couple weeks ago. Good job too in the introduction. Oh well, maybe if people are still grumbling they can at least get another perspective.-- Ben 10:42, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
A peninsula which is made into an island by a canal, like the Isle of Dogs, London?
Would René-Levasseur Island in Quebec count as an artificial island? If so, it would be by far the largest in the world.
The formation of the Manicouagan Reservoir in the months following the construction of Daniel-Johnson Dam in 1968 caused two pre-existing natural lakes to become connected, completely encircling a land area of 2,020 km2 (780 sq mi). (Incidentally, the area that is now an island was itself an ancient impact crater.)
Should it be added or not? — Dale Arnett ( talk) 16:33, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
What is the justification for Kansai Airport appearing twice in Artificial_island#Largest_artificial_islands_according_to_their_size? cmɢʟee⎆ τaʟκ 18:11, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
User:Io Herodotus added René-Levasseur Island to Artificial_island#Largest_artificial_islands_according_to_their_size and provided a reference, but the reference does not state that it is an artificial island. Moreover, the site does not look like a reputable source. Does anyone have an opinion on this? cmɢʟee⎆ τaʟκ 18:19, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
My point wasn't that only reclaimed islands should count as artificial islands, but that waterways such as rivers and canals don't separate landmasses (while artificial lakes such as the one surrounding RLI do). IMO René-Levasseur should be included in the list, if there are sources which support its "artificial island" status. SiBr4 ⚑ 06:31, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
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A gret idea.But are there any more large artificial islands planned? How about a Nova Tesla Land a artificial isalnd and powe generation source(From tiddal action) To brooadcast FREE elletric power per inventor Nikola teslas ideas? Thanks MinEdsonAndreJohnson ( talk) 05:03, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
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For example, Singapore dredged five hundred million tons of sand to prepare an artificial island. This sand removal caused desertification to a fishing town, having a bad effect on the ecosystem.
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- ^ 연합뉴스. "지구촌 곳곳서 인공섬 조성 붐…갈등·오염 등 부작용 속출". Retrieved 2016-03-23.
The source says "For example, Singapore drastically damaged 500 million tons of sand in southwest Cambodia, causing devastating fishing villages and destroying ecosystems. " (Google translate). It cites news.com, with no links.
I found sources that Singapore has imported 500 m tons of sand, to extend its size by 50 square miles. This is not by creating an artificial island, it is land reclamation, and does not belong in this article.
All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 12:39, 28 August 2019 (UTC).
I am planning on adding additional content to the "Environmental Impact" section Biostudent2 ( talk) 19:17, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
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Is this really so? I would understand a reference to phenomenas as for instance the Curonian Lagoon, that however isn't artificial, but canals... aren't they too narrow? -- Johan Magnus 22:36, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Yes, I agree, this particular phenomenon isn't terribly interesting, hence the words : less distinctive, incidental; however, it is one way that an island is artificially created and a piece of land is surrounded by water. For examples, see Dithmarschen and particularly Marble Hill, Manhattan, New York, which shows a real complex history: first a part of Manhattan Island, then isolated for about twenty years, and finally reconnected with the opposite shore of the Bronx. This of course was a recipe for municipal chaos. It wasn't really clear what borough it was now in; when a judge found it to be legally still a part of Manhattan in the 1930s the Bronx Borough President declared it 'the Bronx Sudetenland' (things worked out a little more peacefully here). The Romans also created one from the Tiber, called Isola Sacra, the holy island. Anyway, sometimes interesting (like Marble Hill), usually not so much, I think its something that should get a mention in this article.-- Pharos 00:08, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Thank you for your interesting answer. Dithmarschen is the only example physically close to me (200 miles), and in that case it wouldn't at all correpsond with my understanding. It would be, to me, similar to say that North-America was made an "island" through the digging of the
Panama Canal.
--
Johan Magnus 00:27, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The article claims, that...
...it is usually constructed on an existing reef or may be an expansion of a small natural islet.
But is this so? An islet is a small island, so why would an artificially expanded natural islet turn it into an artificial island? Ellis Island do not actually belong to this article.-- Huaiwei 15:12, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
If no one is able to provide verification by the end of next week, I will go ahead and correct the article and List of artificial islands accordingly.-- Huaiwei 16:30, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Ellis Island is 90% artificial; it is much more artificial island than natural island. Most "traditional" artificial islands have been built on some existing natural structure, either a reef or a tiny bit of stone or dirt sticking above the water.-- Pharos 17:41, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
A recent comment made by User:Instantnood in [8] has aroused my attention to a line I missed in this article:
Can examples please be given with regards to this kind of "artificial island", because this effectively suggests that any man-made structure which protrudes isolated in the sea is now an artificial island, even if it was supported by piles or a floating platform? What are we gonna call an island next? A ship which dropped anchor?-- Huaiwei 21:39, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
One more day left before I edit this page tomorrow.-- Huaiwei 14:55, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
Via RFC:
I would not call oil rigs artificial islands. I can see why someone might want to though. Whoever is trying to change it has to know that generally oil rigs are not referred to as islands, because it is silly. They just want to change it to be more inclusive. I can respect that, I argue semantics all the time. I think it is easy to solve, you can make up some conditions if you want, how about these:
With this, all islands and artificial islands (since this is really about the defintion of "island," not just "artificial islands") fulfill all the conditions easily and obviously. Nothing else but an island would really fulfill it (I think). Oil rigs, not so much. This actually sits well with me, because you might be able to call the tube parts of oil rigs "artificial islands" (if they are attached to the ground) which is ok with me, but then the whole structure itself, the oil rig, isn't an island. This works with bridges and stuff too. Their supports would be little artificial islands, and I don't know if anyone would get too upset over that. You wouldn't call a bridge an artificial island that's for sure. What do you think?-- Ben 10:25, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
On the other hand, if you don't like defining things so much, you may just want to go with the more subjective culturally defined "island," and defer to "the things that people call islands", but since no calls oil rigs islands, then you simply don't call them that. I think whoever is wanting to call oil rigs islands has their own personal definition of island that they think is neutral and objective but it doesn't fit with other people's, so that means consensus either on a more hard-line objective definition like I suggested above (but which more than likely counts as "original research"), or consensus that the definition should defer to common usage. Or something like that :). I think mine is close enough to the subjective defintion, but I do understand that it can seem out of line to people. Personally, I like to keep things subjective when they are as common as the word "island" but I also like seeing if I can make up an objective definition. Anyway, I just hope these ideas help in your discussion.-- Ben 10:39, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Hmmm I see you have already solved it a couple weeks ago. Good job too in the introduction. Oh well, maybe if people are still grumbling they can at least get another perspective.-- Ben 10:42, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
A peninsula which is made into an island by a canal, like the Isle of Dogs, London?
Would René-Levasseur Island in Quebec count as an artificial island? If so, it would be by far the largest in the world.
The formation of the Manicouagan Reservoir in the months following the construction of Daniel-Johnson Dam in 1968 caused two pre-existing natural lakes to become connected, completely encircling a land area of 2,020 km2 (780 sq mi). (Incidentally, the area that is now an island was itself an ancient impact crater.)
Should it be added or not? — Dale Arnett ( talk) 16:33, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
What is the justification for Kansai Airport appearing twice in Artificial_island#Largest_artificial_islands_according_to_their_size? cmɢʟee⎆ τaʟκ 18:11, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
User:Io Herodotus added René-Levasseur Island to Artificial_island#Largest_artificial_islands_according_to_their_size and provided a reference, but the reference does not state that it is an artificial island. Moreover, the site does not look like a reputable source. Does anyone have an opinion on this? cmɢʟee⎆ τaʟκ 18:19, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
My point wasn't that only reclaimed islands should count as artificial islands, but that waterways such as rivers and canals don't separate landmasses (while artificial lakes such as the one surrounding RLI do). IMO René-Levasseur should be included in the list, if there are sources which support its "artificial island" status. SiBr4 ⚑ 06:31, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
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A gret idea.But are there any more large artificial islands planned? How about a Nova Tesla Land a artificial isalnd and powe generation source(From tiddal action) To brooadcast FREE elletric power per inventor Nikola teslas ideas? Thanks MinEdsonAndreJohnson ( talk) 05:03, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
I removed the following:
For example, Singapore dredged five hundred million tons of sand to prepare an artificial island. This sand removal caused desertification to a fishing town, having a bad effect on the ecosystem.
{{ Clarify}}
— [1]
- ^ 연합뉴스. "지구촌 곳곳서 인공섬 조성 붐…갈등·오염 등 부작용 속출". Retrieved 2016-03-23.
The source says "For example, Singapore drastically damaged 500 million tons of sand in southwest Cambodia, causing devastating fishing villages and destroying ecosystems. " (Google translate). It cites news.com, with no links.
I found sources that Singapore has imported 500 m tons of sand, to extend its size by 50 square miles. This is not by creating an artificial island, it is land reclamation, and does not belong in this article.
All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 12:39, 28 August 2019 (UTC).
I am planning on adding additional content to the "Environmental Impact" section Biostudent2 ( talk) 19:17, 24 November 2020 (UTC)