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I would have thought a direct match between shoe sizes was more than cicrcumstantial, because shoe sizes vary greatly among the standard population, so an exact match is promising. Farther, I believe that the shoe footprint type was one left by a type of shoe only sold in Naval bases, and he was the only suspect to work in the navy.-- Cymbelmineer ( talk) 16:28, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
closed thread due to off topic sniping... ⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 04:36, 23 July 2011 (UTC) |
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This alleged "source" link is less about facts on "Arthur Leigh Allen" and more about Michael Butterfield's persistent ad hominem attacks on living author, Robert Graysmith (see: wiki discussion at "Robert Graysmith" for Michael Butterfield's history as a Wikipedia vandal)... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robert_Graysmith If Wikipedia editors continue to include such links they will be in clear violation of Wikipedia's Five Pillars: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars AND "three core content policies": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view More specifically, these policies require that: "Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of view," they possess "Verifiability" and "Wikipedia articles must not contain original research." With regard to the source in dispute, Wikipedia tacitly promotes a “battleground playpen” and thus diminishes its own credibility for disseminating facts worthy of a quality encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.149.1.22 ( talk) 21:28, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
See, User:TL36: You can't even quote correctly. The "source" link re: "Arthur Leigh Allen" at ZodiacKillerFacts.com is what was originally tested and found to be spilling over with ad-hominem attacks directed at Graysmith. Did you even click on that link (from an earlier version)? Tell Michael Butterfield to give some facts about Allen and to quit his abusive agenda aimed at Robert Graysmith (certainly, as far as Wikipedia entries are concerned, here). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.149.1.22 ( talk) 22:50, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
User:TL36 states: "I'll readily admit the web site is unfavorable to Graysmith ...." ROTFLOL! Butterfield writes about Graysmith on the site in question: "Ghoul: an evil spirit that robs graves and feeds on the dead" - And YOU'RE TELLING ME THIS IS GOING TO PASS MUSTER ON WIKIPEDIA? Here's one of Michael Butterfield's site images: http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/images/graysmith.jpg These are just two of many examples of what is connected to the original link that was deleted. Note how it was speciously typed in as "Facts about Arthur Leigh Allen" with no website identified, but rather as a honey pot to draw readers in to Michael Butterfield's disturbed and egomaniacal world [If you're an apologist for him, then do one better: Get him some help!] At least Tom Voigt of Zodiackiller.com, and despite a falling-out and lawsuit with Graysmith, can provide a page with some objective/balanced facts about suspect Arthur Leigh Allen without an ad hominem agenda. And no, Tom Voigt does NOT currently believe Allen is a viable suspect. I neither know Tom Voigt personally, nor have I ever been a member of his site; I'm certainly no supporter of his current Person(s) of Interest.
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This guy claims to have cracked the 340 cipher and identified the killer as Arthur Leigh Allen. http://tewksbury.patch.com/articles/tewksbury-native-ive-cracked-the-code-of-the-zodiac-killer RainbowOfLight Talk 04:10, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
I had redirected this to Zodiac Killer but someone came through and reverted. Many of the sources used in previous versions of this article were substandard, to say the least. Random personal opinions on websites are not reliable sources, per WP:RS rules. Furthermore, large amounts of text with various accusations against this person weren't even cited to any source at all, not even the bad ones. By removing all the junk that did not have a reliable source, there is not much here. In order to have Wikipedia articles of their own, topics must in some way differentiate themselves from the main topic. The only reason this person is notable at all is because of the Zodiac killer accusations, and there isn't much reason to give him extra additional coverage other than what that article would have. The existence of this article seems to have been solely for people to post their own theories and claims. That's not what Wikipedia is for. DreamGuy ( talk) 17:22, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
There was only support and no opponents, so I went ahead with the merger. It now links to Zodiac Killer#Suspects-- Harizotoh9 ( talk) 07:06, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
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I would have thought a direct match between shoe sizes was more than cicrcumstantial, because shoe sizes vary greatly among the standard population, so an exact match is promising. Farther, I believe that the shoe footprint type was one left by a type of shoe only sold in Naval bases, and he was the only suspect to work in the navy.-- Cymbelmineer ( talk) 16:28, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
closed thread due to off topic sniping... ⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 04:36, 23 July 2011 (UTC) |
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
This alleged "source" link is less about facts on "Arthur Leigh Allen" and more about Michael Butterfield's persistent ad hominem attacks on living author, Robert Graysmith (see: wiki discussion at "Robert Graysmith" for Michael Butterfield's history as a Wikipedia vandal)... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robert_Graysmith If Wikipedia editors continue to include such links they will be in clear violation of Wikipedia's Five Pillars: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars AND "three core content policies": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view More specifically, these policies require that: "Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of view," they possess "Verifiability" and "Wikipedia articles must not contain original research." With regard to the source in dispute, Wikipedia tacitly promotes a “battleground playpen” and thus diminishes its own credibility for disseminating facts worthy of a quality encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.149.1.22 ( talk) 21:28, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
See, User:TL36: You can't even quote correctly. The "source" link re: "Arthur Leigh Allen" at ZodiacKillerFacts.com is what was originally tested and found to be spilling over with ad-hominem attacks directed at Graysmith. Did you even click on that link (from an earlier version)? Tell Michael Butterfield to give some facts about Allen and to quit his abusive agenda aimed at Robert Graysmith (certainly, as far as Wikipedia entries are concerned, here). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.149.1.22 ( talk) 22:50, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
User:TL36 states: "I'll readily admit the web site is unfavorable to Graysmith ...." ROTFLOL! Butterfield writes about Graysmith on the site in question: "Ghoul: an evil spirit that robs graves and feeds on the dead" - And YOU'RE TELLING ME THIS IS GOING TO PASS MUSTER ON WIKIPEDIA? Here's one of Michael Butterfield's site images: http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/images/graysmith.jpg These are just two of many examples of what is connected to the original link that was deleted. Note how it was speciously typed in as "Facts about Arthur Leigh Allen" with no website identified, but rather as a honey pot to draw readers in to Michael Butterfield's disturbed and egomaniacal world [If you're an apologist for him, then do one better: Get him some help!] At least Tom Voigt of Zodiackiller.com, and despite a falling-out and lawsuit with Graysmith, can provide a page with some objective/balanced facts about suspect Arthur Leigh Allen without an ad hominem agenda. And no, Tom Voigt does NOT currently believe Allen is a viable suspect. I neither know Tom Voigt personally, nor have I ever been a member of his site; I'm certainly no supporter of his current Person(s) of Interest.
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This guy claims to have cracked the 340 cipher and identified the killer as Arthur Leigh Allen. http://tewksbury.patch.com/articles/tewksbury-native-ive-cracked-the-code-of-the-zodiac-killer RainbowOfLight Talk 04:10, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
I had redirected this to Zodiac Killer but someone came through and reverted. Many of the sources used in previous versions of this article were substandard, to say the least. Random personal opinions on websites are not reliable sources, per WP:RS rules. Furthermore, large amounts of text with various accusations against this person weren't even cited to any source at all, not even the bad ones. By removing all the junk that did not have a reliable source, there is not much here. In order to have Wikipedia articles of their own, topics must in some way differentiate themselves from the main topic. The only reason this person is notable at all is because of the Zodiac killer accusations, and there isn't much reason to give him extra additional coverage other than what that article would have. The existence of this article seems to have been solely for people to post their own theories and claims. That's not what Wikipedia is for. DreamGuy ( talk) 17:22, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
There was only support and no opponents, so I went ahead with the merger. It now links to Zodiac Killer#Suspects-- Harizotoh9 ( talk) 07:06, 21 February 2012 (UTC)