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The result was: promoted by
The Squirrel Conspiracy (
talk) 20:32, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Created by Skeet Shooter ( talk). Self-nominated at 13:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC).
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Overall: Article is somewhat "fanboy" i.e promotional. Earwig flagged one passage. Alt1 is best hook. -- evrik ( talk) 01:35, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
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Yoninah: In this
, you added a qualifier to a lead sentence to produce "... the only US test pilot to have flown all three variants of the X‑35 and the F-35." I think the original wording (without the US) is correct, but there may be confusion over how the claim was phrased. The wording was taken from the
Chen 2012 source, "You're the only pilot to fly all three X-35 variants and the F-35." According to the
Code One 2012 source, RAF Sdn. Ldr. Justin Paines was the only other pilot to fly all three variants of the X-35 but is not listed as flying the F-35. I could not find a source that stated Paines ever flew the F-35. Since the X-35s are all in museums, that makes Tomassetti "the only US test pilot to have flown all three variants of the X‑35 and the F-35."
I would like to remove the "US" qualifier from the sentence or find another way to phrase it. If you have a source that shows another pilot flew all three X-35 variants and the F-35, would you please provide it so I can work it into the body of the article?
Thank you, Skeet Shooter ( talk) 00:36, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Evrik:. This issue also ended up in the DYK hook which currently reads "... that Art Tomassetti (pictured) is the only US government test pilot to fly all three variants of the X-35 and the F-35?" I think the original ALT1 hook you selected should be used - ALT1:... that test pilot Art Tomassetti (pictured) was the first (and only) pilot to fly all three variants of the X-35 and the F-35?" The nomination is closed. Is it too late to change? Thanks, Skeet Shooter ( talk) 00:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
only test pilot, someone could up with another test pilot, even in another country. In the post above, someone mentions Justin Paines flying the X-35. But if we refine the description, calling him the
only US government test pilot, it's much less likely that someone will say they know another US government test pilot. Meanwhile, the source has to be absolutely accurate to verify the hook fact. I read your article and saw this:
He was one of only eight civilian and military pilots to fly the X-35.[13] He became the US government's lead test pilot[14] and was their only pilot to fly all three variants of the X-35.
and the F-35and expect readers to know that he's the only one to fly all four; the hook just isn't clear that way. Someone is going to run to WP:ERRORS and say, "What about Paines?" It would be better to say he flew all 4 types of plane. Yoninah ( talk) 18:48, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
I did copy edit of the article. I might have been more thorough, but I was getting to the point where I might have started removing content and I didn't want to do that or hold up the DYK. A couple notes:
I hope this has been of help. Please ping me if you have any questions. – Reidgreg ( talk) 23:09, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
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The result was: promoted by
The Squirrel Conspiracy (
talk) 20:32, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Created by Skeet Shooter ( talk). Self-nominated at 13:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
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|
Image eligibility:
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Article is somewhat "fanboy" i.e promotional. Earwig flagged one passage. Alt1 is best hook. -- evrik ( talk) 01:35, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
@
Yoninah: In this
, you added a qualifier to a lead sentence to produce "... the only US test pilot to have flown all three variants of the X‑35 and the F-35." I think the original wording (without the US) is correct, but there may be confusion over how the claim was phrased. The wording was taken from the
Chen 2012 source, "You're the only pilot to fly all three X-35 variants and the F-35." According to the
Code One 2012 source, RAF Sdn. Ldr. Justin Paines was the only other pilot to fly all three variants of the X-35 but is not listed as flying the F-35. I could not find a source that stated Paines ever flew the F-35. Since the X-35s are all in museums, that makes Tomassetti "the only US test pilot to have flown all three variants of the X‑35 and the F-35."
I would like to remove the "US" qualifier from the sentence or find another way to phrase it. If you have a source that shows another pilot flew all three X-35 variants and the F-35, would you please provide it so I can work it into the body of the article?
Thank you, Skeet Shooter ( talk) 00:36, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Evrik:. This issue also ended up in the DYK hook which currently reads "... that Art Tomassetti (pictured) is the only US government test pilot to fly all three variants of the X-35 and the F-35?" I think the original ALT1 hook you selected should be used - ALT1:... that test pilot Art Tomassetti (pictured) was the first (and only) pilot to fly all three variants of the X-35 and the F-35?" The nomination is closed. Is it too late to change? Thanks, Skeet Shooter ( talk) 00:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
only test pilot, someone could up with another test pilot, even in another country. In the post above, someone mentions Justin Paines flying the X-35. But if we refine the description, calling him the
only US government test pilot, it's much less likely that someone will say they know another US government test pilot. Meanwhile, the source has to be absolutely accurate to verify the hook fact. I read your article and saw this:
He was one of only eight civilian and military pilots to fly the X-35.[13] He became the US government's lead test pilot[14] and was their only pilot to fly all three variants of the X-35.
and the F-35and expect readers to know that he's the only one to fly all four; the hook just isn't clear that way. Someone is going to run to WP:ERRORS and say, "What about Paines?" It would be better to say he flew all 4 types of plane. Yoninah ( talk) 18:48, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
I did copy edit of the article. I might have been more thorough, but I was getting to the point where I might have started removing content and I didn't want to do that or hold up the DYK. A couple notes:
I hope this has been of help. Please ping me if you have any questions. – Reidgreg ( talk) 23:09, 21 June 2020 (UTC)