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Any chance one of you Latin buffs (or at least someone who knows more than me) could add the correct pronunciation of "Ars Technica" to the article? Thanks! Dylanmcd 18:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I wasn't sure how to proceed, so I filed this RfC: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Tatsuma. I would appreciate any comments, especially from people willing to endorse the basis for the dispute so we can try to get some resolution about the revert warring. Reverts by people who aren't even willing to discuss content on the Talk page are unhelpful to everyone. Thanks. - Debuskjt 03:58, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Look at that, all the criticism disappeared. that is certainly convenient. understandable, almost, especially for a website that generates as much money as ars does. ($50,000 a month) it makes sense that tsetna would want to protect his income. El jefe04 17:47, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I just read some info regarding claims of plagiarism and content lifting by Ars Technica. When I come here, there is no mention of it, yet it is in the archives. I don't have the energy to read through all the archives. I read through some, but I cannot find where it was decided to remove this. Are these accusations not relevant?-- Lfarmingham ( talk) 17:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I vote that the criticisms have their own section. This [1] isn’t a guideline, is it? Mixing it into the article raises serious POV issues in my opinion. Tsetna 15:55, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't see how adding information with an uncited tag is acceptable. i see that everyone seems to agree that information that references the ars forum should not be included ( WP:RS). Now, this strips out a lot of the back and forth about moderation and this and that which is fine with me, but you guys need to understand that it also applies to the rest of the article, not the criticism section. removing only criticism that is cited in the forum (even if the forum post is by a site administrator), but then leaving other information in that relies on citations on the forum is not a consistent approach. either remove both, or leave both, there is no room in the middle. El jefe04 21:09, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Making continual extlinks to the same domain in one article in the body of the text looks like advertising. I don't see why every section needs to be directly linked from the article body. We're talking about over ten links here.
The article isn't currently very good as regards sourcing. Adding a real references section encourages people to add real references. Chris Cunningham 00:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
This talk page is far too long. I'm planning on reorganising it in order to archive another two or three chunks. Anyone is free to help of course. Chris Cunningham 00:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
I would appreciate a valid reason for the persistent removal of this information, other than the ambiguous "it's not notable". This sort of information is clearly notable enough to be included in a range of other website articles. In addition, the terms of service is referenced in a number of places in the article already, other than the portions I added. Please provide a valid reason for your actions before removing this information. Seragenn 00:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Your argument as to why this information should not be included is nonsensical, as you're basically saying "Don't include verifiable, referenced information." That is ridiculous. Seragenn 05:47, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
"Created in September 1997 by Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda, Slashdot is now owned by the Open Source Technology Group, part of VA Software."
The CNET article includes the following: "CNET Networks, Inc. (NASDAQ: CNET) is an Internet-based American media company based in San Francisco, California co-founded in 1993 by Halsey Minor and Shelby Bonnie. A publicly held company, its stock trades on the Nasdaq Stock Market under the ticker symbol CNET."
I REPEAT MYSELF: IF THIS SORT OF INFORMATION IS NOT RELEVANT, WHY IS IT INCLUDED IN OTHER ARTICLES FOR THE SAME TYPE OF WEBSITE? Seragenn 05:47, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the information about "* Affiliate sales commissions." I could not find any reference to this on the site. Could someone back it up with some proof? -- clintology 22:20, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
As I've stated in my edit summaries, this Seragenn user continues to have a fascination with degrading the quality of the article by adding information that doesn't belong here. My reasons for continuing to remove this material are as follows:
One: Usually when I see someone come to Wikipedia and jump right into arguments over what should be included in an article, and get extremely insistent that their specific details are important -- especially if those details don't cast the subject in a good light -- they're usually doing so to promote an agenda or to vent frustration. This isn't a useful or productive way to improve an encyclopedia, and almost never results in things going the way the new user wants. Wikipedia's policy on Neutral point of view is required reading here. More specifically, the section on "undue weight", which states: "An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject, but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject. Note that undue weight can be given in several ways, including, but not limited to, depth of detail, quantity of text, prominence of placement, and juxtaposition of statements." In our particular case here, all of Seragenn's edits revolve around very specific monetary aspects of Ars Technica's subscriber model; subscriptions are otherwise completely unmentioned in the article, so if any coverage of this subject is going to be added, it must be done in a neutral and even fashion -- and that means, at minimum, saying that they... you know... exist?
Two: We are not the Internet. This is part of the "Wiki is not paper" guidelines we're expected to follow in the process of creating better encyclopedia articles. Minor implementation details about Ars Technica's subscription model is not encyclopedia-worthy material, unless it's somehow especially notable or has generated controversy. I mean, come on, "Ars Technica reserves the right to restrict subscriber access from the site for any reason, without notice"? So? Why does Seragenn feel this is vitally important information to repeatedly ram into the article, when the article doesn't even mention that Ars Technica offers subscriptions? I've written a lot of Wikipedia articles in my time here, and I've seen text I've written appear on Wikipedia's front page as the blurb for an article of the day, so I'm pretty sure I'm a reasonably good judge of what's encyclopedia-worthy, and what's not. Again, if we're going to include information about Ars Technica offering subscriptions, then let's at least start by saying that they offer them?
Three: Regarding the lead sentence. We are -not- going to beat our readers into a bloody pulp with "LLC" and its expansion a total of three times in the space of one sentence. That's horrible English. Stating the words "Ars Technica" more than once in any short sentence should also be avoided for the same reason. We can formulate sentences better than this. A simple rule of thumb: Read a sentence aloud, with full expansions -- if it sounds bad, it's bad. -/- Warren 12:29, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
People interested in thie article might want to check out the guidelines on Notability (web). This article currently doesn't appear to establish that Ars Technica meets the guidelines for notability. To avoid potential future deletion this should be rectified Nil Einne 06:57, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I recommend following the format used by Slashdot, Engadget, and other large tech sites. Seansquared 17:57, 16 March 2007
should a note on the tech report be added? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Flyingember ( talk • contribs) 01:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC).
Shii keeps deleting the reference to Ars Technica's ranking on Big-Boards.com, arguing that "this is not a reliable source. it purposefully excludes forums such as 2ch". There are two problems with this outlook:
Imo, even if this source is not the best that it could be, it's adequate for now and should remain in the article until a better one can be found. I'm putting the info back in at this time and soliciting opinions from anyone else who is reading this so that we can hopefully reach a consensus and stop this silly reverting of what is, let's face it, a pretty minor issue. -- Hux 09:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
That's what the two other articles I found have opted to do, and if you insist you can do that here as well. It's just wrong to say "this is definitely the 66th largest forum on the entire Internets" when it's probably more like the 150th, when you count all the forums big-boards excludes. Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 22:59, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
If you wish to include this reference, please explain why you consider big-boards to be reliable. I don't agree that it is the "most accurate" forum ranking source. It is not accurate at all. Just because they are the only well-known site to rank forums doesn't mean they are accurate. They aren't. --- RockMFR 21:13, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't matter what sort of claim you are trying to make with the reference. If the source is not reliable to make that claim, then it cannot be used. --- RockMFR 18:33, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I wish to re-nominate this article to be deleted. It is a marketing ploy with no useful information pertinent to Wikipedia —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kashk5 ( talk • contribs).
What is the significance of the word Ars? What does it mean? In the UK it has, erm, another meaning. 77.96.240.178 ( talk) 14:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
This is a dispute regarding the usage of big-boards.com as a reliable source. I believe it is not, for the following reasons:
--- RockMFR 21:20, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I see no reason why an internet site should automatically not be considered reliable within its domain of expertise. Martin Hogbin ( talk)
It's kinda silly to keep updating the tagline about Ars age. I was wondering if it's possible to get MediaWiki to calculate it. I tried finding out the original foundation date they base the number on, but I think it's pretty inaccurate:
echo date("c",(date("U")-(((pow(10,-1)*1.0789)*100)*365*24*60*60)));
-- 93.163.26.110 ( talk) 22:58, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
I removed the last 'graph of the lead secn, for reworking:
--
Jerzy•
t
19:19, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm going to remove two of the three criticisms in the article about attributing bloggers. The first has a semi-reliable source mentioning it [4], but here's why I'm removing the last two (other than no reliable sources mentioning them):
— Sebquantic ( talk) 19:53, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm planning on doing a copy-edit and WP:MOS check in a day or two, but I'm basically done expanding the article for now. If you have an issue with something I removed, please let me know why here. For example, the mention of Ars's forums was reduced from one paragraph to one sentence. It's not the oldest or largest forum by far, so I didn't think it needed its own section.
Oh yeah, I wanted to put the "Serving the technologist for 1.0912 × 10-1 centuries." thing back in, but couldn't think of where it would smoothly fit. Anybody have an idea on that? — Sebquantic ( talk) 20:13, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
From the article: ""Adblock Plus developer Wladimir Palant responded, stating that blocking advertisements in general is justified because websites receive revenue from them regardless of whether they are seen or ignored by readers:[28]"
"Only an ad that generates a sale (either directly because the user clicked it or indirectly via brand awareness and similar) provides value. If you see yourself being paid without providing a value than [sic] you either tricked whoever is paying you [...] or it is a temporary state where whoever is paying you didn’t adjust to the new realities yet.""
The website seems to have changed and now it covers politics, including elections and voting rights, and also abortion debate matters. I suggest to change the definition to is a website covering technology, politics, and society news. Yurivict ( talk) 21:49, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
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The notion of "technology" did not exist in the Ancient world, as far as the Greeks and Romans go. Both "Techne" and "Ars" meant "craft". Therefore Ars technica is a redundant phrase meaning "crafty craft". PERIOD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.57.144.205 ( talk) 21:38, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
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I am new to wiki and I want to author an article on a new theory that comes from the book I have written. I was wondering about the process of adding and editing an article into Ars Technica. What are the rules and what is the technical process?
Thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperRelativity ( talk • contribs) 18:10, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
I've been receiving Constant multiples advertising from McAffee company to the point I get warnings of failing to pay,or my system has a virus, or need Protection, or my web page will be shut down, on everyday day basis on my desktop and my Phone. its gotten to the point that I see well over a dozen per day of any variation above and so much repeats its mind boggling. I don't minds ads on occasional basis but not this constant everyday " bombing " of it. Ad bombing has gotten out of hand and wonder if anyone else sees this happening to them or if anyone is aware of this. as I typed this just gotten another one. ( this one a " lat reminder, renew McAfee at 80% ) B.S. 38.21.216.135 ( talk) 21:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Any chance one of you Latin buffs (or at least someone who knows more than me) could add the correct pronunciation of "Ars Technica" to the article? Thanks! Dylanmcd 18:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I wasn't sure how to proceed, so I filed this RfC: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Tatsuma. I would appreciate any comments, especially from people willing to endorse the basis for the dispute so we can try to get some resolution about the revert warring. Reverts by people who aren't even willing to discuss content on the Talk page are unhelpful to everyone. Thanks. - Debuskjt 03:58, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Look at that, all the criticism disappeared. that is certainly convenient. understandable, almost, especially for a website that generates as much money as ars does. ($50,000 a month) it makes sense that tsetna would want to protect his income. El jefe04 17:47, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I just read some info regarding claims of plagiarism and content lifting by Ars Technica. When I come here, there is no mention of it, yet it is in the archives. I don't have the energy to read through all the archives. I read through some, but I cannot find where it was decided to remove this. Are these accusations not relevant?-- Lfarmingham ( talk) 17:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I vote that the criticisms have their own section. This [1] isn’t a guideline, is it? Mixing it into the article raises serious POV issues in my opinion. Tsetna 15:55, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't see how adding information with an uncited tag is acceptable. i see that everyone seems to agree that information that references the ars forum should not be included ( WP:RS). Now, this strips out a lot of the back and forth about moderation and this and that which is fine with me, but you guys need to understand that it also applies to the rest of the article, not the criticism section. removing only criticism that is cited in the forum (even if the forum post is by a site administrator), but then leaving other information in that relies on citations on the forum is not a consistent approach. either remove both, or leave both, there is no room in the middle. El jefe04 21:09, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Making continual extlinks to the same domain in one article in the body of the text looks like advertising. I don't see why every section needs to be directly linked from the article body. We're talking about over ten links here.
The article isn't currently very good as regards sourcing. Adding a real references section encourages people to add real references. Chris Cunningham 00:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
This talk page is far too long. I'm planning on reorganising it in order to archive another two or three chunks. Anyone is free to help of course. Chris Cunningham 00:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
I would appreciate a valid reason for the persistent removal of this information, other than the ambiguous "it's not notable". This sort of information is clearly notable enough to be included in a range of other website articles. In addition, the terms of service is referenced in a number of places in the article already, other than the portions I added. Please provide a valid reason for your actions before removing this information. Seragenn 00:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Your argument as to why this information should not be included is nonsensical, as you're basically saying "Don't include verifiable, referenced information." That is ridiculous. Seragenn 05:47, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
"Created in September 1997 by Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda, Slashdot is now owned by the Open Source Technology Group, part of VA Software."
The CNET article includes the following: "CNET Networks, Inc. (NASDAQ: CNET) is an Internet-based American media company based in San Francisco, California co-founded in 1993 by Halsey Minor and Shelby Bonnie. A publicly held company, its stock trades on the Nasdaq Stock Market under the ticker symbol CNET."
I REPEAT MYSELF: IF THIS SORT OF INFORMATION IS NOT RELEVANT, WHY IS IT INCLUDED IN OTHER ARTICLES FOR THE SAME TYPE OF WEBSITE? Seragenn 05:47, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the information about "* Affiliate sales commissions." I could not find any reference to this on the site. Could someone back it up with some proof? -- clintology 22:20, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
As I've stated in my edit summaries, this Seragenn user continues to have a fascination with degrading the quality of the article by adding information that doesn't belong here. My reasons for continuing to remove this material are as follows:
One: Usually when I see someone come to Wikipedia and jump right into arguments over what should be included in an article, and get extremely insistent that their specific details are important -- especially if those details don't cast the subject in a good light -- they're usually doing so to promote an agenda or to vent frustration. This isn't a useful or productive way to improve an encyclopedia, and almost never results in things going the way the new user wants. Wikipedia's policy on Neutral point of view is required reading here. More specifically, the section on "undue weight", which states: "An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject, but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject. Note that undue weight can be given in several ways, including, but not limited to, depth of detail, quantity of text, prominence of placement, and juxtaposition of statements." In our particular case here, all of Seragenn's edits revolve around very specific monetary aspects of Ars Technica's subscriber model; subscriptions are otherwise completely unmentioned in the article, so if any coverage of this subject is going to be added, it must be done in a neutral and even fashion -- and that means, at minimum, saying that they... you know... exist?
Two: We are not the Internet. This is part of the "Wiki is not paper" guidelines we're expected to follow in the process of creating better encyclopedia articles. Minor implementation details about Ars Technica's subscription model is not encyclopedia-worthy material, unless it's somehow especially notable or has generated controversy. I mean, come on, "Ars Technica reserves the right to restrict subscriber access from the site for any reason, without notice"? So? Why does Seragenn feel this is vitally important information to repeatedly ram into the article, when the article doesn't even mention that Ars Technica offers subscriptions? I've written a lot of Wikipedia articles in my time here, and I've seen text I've written appear on Wikipedia's front page as the blurb for an article of the day, so I'm pretty sure I'm a reasonably good judge of what's encyclopedia-worthy, and what's not. Again, if we're going to include information about Ars Technica offering subscriptions, then let's at least start by saying that they offer them?
Three: Regarding the lead sentence. We are -not- going to beat our readers into a bloody pulp with "LLC" and its expansion a total of three times in the space of one sentence. That's horrible English. Stating the words "Ars Technica" more than once in any short sentence should also be avoided for the same reason. We can formulate sentences better than this. A simple rule of thumb: Read a sentence aloud, with full expansions -- if it sounds bad, it's bad. -/- Warren 12:29, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
People interested in thie article might want to check out the guidelines on Notability (web). This article currently doesn't appear to establish that Ars Technica meets the guidelines for notability. To avoid potential future deletion this should be rectified Nil Einne 06:57, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I recommend following the format used by Slashdot, Engadget, and other large tech sites. Seansquared 17:57, 16 March 2007
should a note on the tech report be added? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Flyingember ( talk • contribs) 01:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC).
Shii keeps deleting the reference to Ars Technica's ranking on Big-Boards.com, arguing that "this is not a reliable source. it purposefully excludes forums such as 2ch". There are two problems with this outlook:
Imo, even if this source is not the best that it could be, it's adequate for now and should remain in the article until a better one can be found. I'm putting the info back in at this time and soliciting opinions from anyone else who is reading this so that we can hopefully reach a consensus and stop this silly reverting of what is, let's face it, a pretty minor issue. -- Hux 09:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
That's what the two other articles I found have opted to do, and if you insist you can do that here as well. It's just wrong to say "this is definitely the 66th largest forum on the entire Internets" when it's probably more like the 150th, when you count all the forums big-boards excludes. Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 22:59, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
If you wish to include this reference, please explain why you consider big-boards to be reliable. I don't agree that it is the "most accurate" forum ranking source. It is not accurate at all. Just because they are the only well-known site to rank forums doesn't mean they are accurate. They aren't. --- RockMFR 21:13, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't matter what sort of claim you are trying to make with the reference. If the source is not reliable to make that claim, then it cannot be used. --- RockMFR 18:33, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I wish to re-nominate this article to be deleted. It is a marketing ploy with no useful information pertinent to Wikipedia —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kashk5 ( talk • contribs).
What is the significance of the word Ars? What does it mean? In the UK it has, erm, another meaning. 77.96.240.178 ( talk) 14:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
This is a dispute regarding the usage of big-boards.com as a reliable source. I believe it is not, for the following reasons:
--- RockMFR 21:20, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I see no reason why an internet site should automatically not be considered reliable within its domain of expertise. Martin Hogbin ( talk)
It's kinda silly to keep updating the tagline about Ars age. I was wondering if it's possible to get MediaWiki to calculate it. I tried finding out the original foundation date they base the number on, but I think it's pretty inaccurate:
echo date("c",(date("U")-(((pow(10,-1)*1.0789)*100)*365*24*60*60)));
-- 93.163.26.110 ( talk) 22:58, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
I removed the last 'graph of the lead secn, for reworking:
--
Jerzy•
t
19:19, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm going to remove two of the three criticisms in the article about attributing bloggers. The first has a semi-reliable source mentioning it [4], but here's why I'm removing the last two (other than no reliable sources mentioning them):
— Sebquantic ( talk) 19:53, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm planning on doing a copy-edit and WP:MOS check in a day or two, but I'm basically done expanding the article for now. If you have an issue with something I removed, please let me know why here. For example, the mention of Ars's forums was reduced from one paragraph to one sentence. It's not the oldest or largest forum by far, so I didn't think it needed its own section.
Oh yeah, I wanted to put the "Serving the technologist for 1.0912 × 10-1 centuries." thing back in, but couldn't think of where it would smoothly fit. Anybody have an idea on that? — Sebquantic ( talk) 20:13, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
From the article: ""Adblock Plus developer Wladimir Palant responded, stating that blocking advertisements in general is justified because websites receive revenue from them regardless of whether they are seen or ignored by readers:[28]"
"Only an ad that generates a sale (either directly because the user clicked it or indirectly via brand awareness and similar) provides value. If you see yourself being paid without providing a value than [sic] you either tricked whoever is paying you [...] or it is a temporary state where whoever is paying you didn’t adjust to the new realities yet.""
The website seems to have changed and now it covers politics, including elections and voting rights, and also abortion debate matters. I suggest to change the definition to is a website covering technology, politics, and society news. Yurivict ( talk) 21:49, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
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The notion of "technology" did not exist in the Ancient world, as far as the Greeks and Romans go. Both "Techne" and "Ars" meant "craft". Therefore Ars technica is a redundant phrase meaning "crafty craft". PERIOD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.57.144.205 ( talk) 21:38, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
I too was going to (more politely) raise the point that this translation would seem to more accurately be the "art of technique," but for anyone else out there wondering about this, Warren is correct and his source on the About US section of their website is still unchanged (Apr 26 2018) and the quote is as follows: "At Ars Technica—the name is Latin-derived for the "art of technology"—we specialize in news and reviews, analysis of technology trends, and expert advice on topics ranging from the most fundamental aspects of technology to the many ways technology is helping us discover our world." They have simply translated it as they desired, regardless of what might technically be correct.
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I am new to wiki and I want to author an article on a new theory that comes from the book I have written. I was wondering about the process of adding and editing an article into Ars Technica. What are the rules and what is the technical process?
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I've been receiving Constant multiples advertising from McAffee company to the point I get warnings of failing to pay,or my system has a virus, or need Protection, or my web page will be shut down, on everyday day basis on my desktop and my Phone. its gotten to the point that I see well over a dozen per day of any variation above and so much repeats its mind boggling. I don't minds ads on occasional basis but not this constant everyday " bombing " of it. Ad bombing has gotten out of hand and wonder if anyone else sees this happening to them or if anyone is aware of this. as I typed this just gotten another one. ( this one a " lat reminder, renew McAfee at 80% ) B.S. 38.21.216.135 ( talk) 21:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)