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Text and/or other creative content from this version of Arrow (TV series) was copied or moved into List of Arrow episodes with this edit on 28 November 2013. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
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There is no reason for the mass amount of transclusions that the Arrow articles include. All other Arrowverse series articles are stable as they are, using the traditional means of prose and transclusion, as are the thousands of other television series articles that do not use labelled section transclusion.
The parent article transcludes the episodes and season articles. The main characters article transcludes the parent article. The supporting characters article transcludes the parent and main characters article. The season articles transcludes the parent article. The episodes article transcludes the main characters and season articles. So: the episodes article transcludes the main characters article which in turn transcludes the parent article to finally get to the "lead" content; the parent article transcludes the season article, which transclude the parent articles What a mess! If one article held all the content, and the others pulled from it, perhaps that could work. But not when you have to work through a maze to find out where the content actually lives, as each transcluded sections trancludes another section, and it's a giant circle. If that was confusing, try this: start at the episodes article, then attempt to find where the lead content is so you can modify it. I present to you: a maze.
This reminds me of an identical situation, where templates were created to hold season colours, and then all articles would transclude those templates to take the season colours, in the hopes of containing it in one place so that they didn't have to be edited everywhere. These templates were put up for deletion, and they were deletion, opting instead to keep the content raw in each article. Identical situation here: mass transclusion is not helpful to inexperienced editors, and only satisfy a specific niche of editor.
Now for the actual policy part concerning consensus. The BOLD edit was the one that changed formatting across almost a dozen articles in contrast to the formatting that has held since the creation of each of these articles. I have been told that there is a clear consensus for the transclusions. Can you cite a consensus to me for the edits? Where does silence means acceptance? If you mean
WP:SILENCE, then you have it wrong, unfortunately: Consensus can be presumed to exist until voiced disagreement becomes evident (typically through reverting or editing).
Voiced disagreement has now become evident, through both reverting and editing. Furthermore, sometimes it is best to assume that silence implies consensus. You can continue to hold that assumption (hopefully safely) until someone comes along and changes the page by editing or reverting
. This links
WP:CCC: consensus can change. It is also recommended in CCC that it is helpful to also include a link to the discussion where the consensus was formed
; alas, no discussion can be cited here, as no discussion has taken place to form any binding consensus.
If no real consensus is made through this discussion, then the bold edits will be reverted, and the articles will again use the format that thousands of articles currently use with no issue. -- / Alex/ 21 09:01, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Consensus is a normal and usually implicit and invisible process across Wikipedia. Any edit that is not disputed or reverted by another editor can be assumed to have consensus. Should that edit later be revised by another editor without dispute, it can be assumed that a new consensus has been reached. In this way, the encyclopedia is gradually added to and improved over time. Two months worth of edits have established this implicit consensus. Your opinion that an onus needs to be on any edit, regardless of time, even 10 years, is solely your personal opinion and is not backed up by any policy that I know of, or that you've cited. Regarding the issue with the list of episode lead, if that is the only real issue, that can be easily fixed. For that, we have small edits and discussions - not mass reverts. -- Gonnym ( talk) 10:04, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
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I haven't been following this discussion, I only saw the recent edit by Alex 21 to the LoE page. I just thought that I'd mention that reference 175 is broken. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 06:24, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
I know there is a cast listing for the Monitor, but is there one for the Anti-Monitor? I don't recall it being mentioned in any of the Arrowverse programs...- Jack Sebastian ( talk) 21:00, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
The "in other media" section of Huntress (Helena Bertinelli) says:
> The Helena Bertinelli version of Huntress appears in the Arrow live-action television series, played by Jessica De Gouw.
However, "Huntress" and "Bertinelli" don't appear in the "characters" section of Arrow (TV series).
This seems inconsistent. I don't know which is correct nor how it ought to be fixed, so I'm just flagging this. Crossposted to both talk pages. — Sai ¿? ✍ 11:45, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
xpost link Sai ¿? ✍ 11:49, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
ارو یا پیکان یک مجموعه تلویزیونی ابرقهرمانی آمریکایی است که توسط Greg bertinelli ، Marc Guggenheim و Andrew Kreisberg براساس شخصیت کمیک DC ساخته شده است Green Arrow ، یک جنگجوی جرم و جنایی که توسط مورت وایزینگر و جورج پپ ساخته شدهاست و در Arrowverse با سایر تلویزیون های مرتبط قرار دارد. سلسله. این سریال در10 اکتبر 2012در ایالات متحده از شبک سی دبلیو به نمایش درآمد و در درجه اول در ونکوور ، بریتیش کلمبیا ، کانادافیلمبرداری شد. در ژانویه 2019 ، سی دابلیو سریال را برای یک فصل هشتم ده قسمتی تمدید کرد، در ماه مارس اعلام کرد که این آخرین فصل است. این فصل در 15 اکتبر 2019 به نمایش در آمد و رویداد کراس اوور " بحران در زمین های بی نهایت " را به نمایش گذاشت. فینال سریال در 28 ژانویه 2020 پخش شد. Farbod10.gfi ( talk) 15:42, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
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Text and/or other creative content from this version of Arrow (TV series) was copied or moved into List of Arrow episodes with this edit on 28 November 2013. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
This article has been viewed enough times in a single year to make it into the Top 50 Report annual list. This happened in 2013 and 2014. |
This article has been viewed enough times in a single week to appear in the
Top 25 Report 12 times. The weeks in which this happened: |
There is no reason for the mass amount of transclusions that the Arrow articles include. All other Arrowverse series articles are stable as they are, using the traditional means of prose and transclusion, as are the thousands of other television series articles that do not use labelled section transclusion.
The parent article transcludes the episodes and season articles. The main characters article transcludes the parent article. The supporting characters article transcludes the parent and main characters article. The season articles transcludes the parent article. The episodes article transcludes the main characters and season articles. So: the episodes article transcludes the main characters article which in turn transcludes the parent article to finally get to the "lead" content; the parent article transcludes the season article, which transclude the parent articles What a mess! If one article held all the content, and the others pulled from it, perhaps that could work. But not when you have to work through a maze to find out where the content actually lives, as each transcluded sections trancludes another section, and it's a giant circle. If that was confusing, try this: start at the episodes article, then attempt to find where the lead content is so you can modify it. I present to you: a maze.
This reminds me of an identical situation, where templates were created to hold season colours, and then all articles would transclude those templates to take the season colours, in the hopes of containing it in one place so that they didn't have to be edited everywhere. These templates were put up for deletion, and they were deletion, opting instead to keep the content raw in each article. Identical situation here: mass transclusion is not helpful to inexperienced editors, and only satisfy a specific niche of editor.
Now for the actual policy part concerning consensus. The BOLD edit was the one that changed formatting across almost a dozen articles in contrast to the formatting that has held since the creation of each of these articles. I have been told that there is a clear consensus for the transclusions. Can you cite a consensus to me for the edits? Where does silence means acceptance? If you mean
WP:SILENCE, then you have it wrong, unfortunately: Consensus can be presumed to exist until voiced disagreement becomes evident (typically through reverting or editing).
Voiced disagreement has now become evident, through both reverting and editing. Furthermore, sometimes it is best to assume that silence implies consensus. You can continue to hold that assumption (hopefully safely) until someone comes along and changes the page by editing or reverting
. This links
WP:CCC: consensus can change. It is also recommended in CCC that it is helpful to also include a link to the discussion where the consensus was formed
; alas, no discussion can be cited here, as no discussion has taken place to form any binding consensus.
If no real consensus is made through this discussion, then the bold edits will be reverted, and the articles will again use the format that thousands of articles currently use with no issue. -- / Alex/ 21 09:01, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Consensus is a normal and usually implicit and invisible process across Wikipedia. Any edit that is not disputed or reverted by another editor can be assumed to have consensus. Should that edit later be revised by another editor without dispute, it can be assumed that a new consensus has been reached. In this way, the encyclopedia is gradually added to and improved over time. Two months worth of edits have established this implicit consensus. Your opinion that an onus needs to be on any edit, regardless of time, even 10 years, is solely your personal opinion and is not backed up by any policy that I know of, or that you've cited. Regarding the issue with the list of episode lead, if that is the only real issue, that can be easily fixed. For that, we have small edits and discussions - not mass reverts. -- Gonnym ( talk) 10:04, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
(Redacted)
I haven't been following this discussion, I only saw the recent edit by Alex 21 to the LoE page. I just thought that I'd mention that reference 175 is broken. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 06:24, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
I know there is a cast listing for the Monitor, but is there one for the Anti-Monitor? I don't recall it being mentioned in any of the Arrowverse programs...- Jack Sebastian ( talk) 21:00, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
The "in other media" section of Huntress (Helena Bertinelli) says:
> The Helena Bertinelli version of Huntress appears in the Arrow live-action television series, played by Jessica De Gouw.
However, "Huntress" and "Bertinelli" don't appear in the "characters" section of Arrow (TV series).
This seems inconsistent. I don't know which is correct nor how it ought to be fixed, so I'm just flagging this. Crossposted to both talk pages. — Sai ¿? ✍ 11:45, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
xpost link Sai ¿? ✍ 11:49, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
ارو یا پیکان یک مجموعه تلویزیونی ابرقهرمانی آمریکایی است که توسط Greg bertinelli ، Marc Guggenheim و Andrew Kreisberg براساس شخصیت کمیک DC ساخته شده است Green Arrow ، یک جنگجوی جرم و جنایی که توسط مورت وایزینگر و جورج پپ ساخته شدهاست و در Arrowverse با سایر تلویزیون های مرتبط قرار دارد. سلسله. این سریال در10 اکتبر 2012در ایالات متحده از شبک سی دبلیو به نمایش درآمد و در درجه اول در ونکوور ، بریتیش کلمبیا ، کانادافیلمبرداری شد. در ژانویه 2019 ، سی دابلیو سریال را برای یک فصل هشتم ده قسمتی تمدید کرد، در ماه مارس اعلام کرد که این آخرین فصل است. این فصل در 15 اکتبر 2019 به نمایش در آمد و رویداد کراس اوور " بحران در زمین های بی نهایت " را به نمایش گذاشت. فینال سریال در 28 ژانویه 2020 پخش شد. Farbod10.gfi ( talk) 15:42, 13 May 2021 (UTC)