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Arrangement means to arrange somthing with others and change to make an arrangement means to make a change
Not unless the set of instruments is the orchestra--which does not normally include voices. Moreover, orchestration is obviously also involved in writing an original piece for orchestra. This is not to suggest that the article's opening sentence is acceptable as it now stands. Here it is: "In music, an arrangement loosely describes rewriting a piece of pre-existing music for a specific set of instruments or voices, often in harmony or with additional original material." I don't think describes is the right word here, and I don't know what is meant by "in harmony with". TheScotch 09:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Is a work for one instrument, written so it can be played on another, an arrangement or a "transcription"? Dysprosia 00:41, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
No, a good transcription takes the new instrumental combination into account. An arrangement includes new musical material. TheScotch 09:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I see this is old, but it's probably good to understand it. I'm not a pro, but in common usage transcribing music is changing the key (you transpose it, when you write it down you transcribe it). On a piano the key of C is all white keys, change it to E and you get a bunch of black keys, and the music must be rewritten with new chord changes and sharp and flat fingering. CDEFG becomes EFshGshAB, CFG chord changes become EAB, etc.. On the guitar it can get complicated. It's more than that, but it's really just rewriting it, on some level. Arranging music might change chording to more colorful things, switch instruments, add movements or solos, and much more. Arranging is like customizing a car - it's still the same car, but it has your stamp on it, too. Surely some here might quibble with this, but it's the sense that the musicians I've known think of it in. "Trans-scribe" - change writing Jjdon ( talk) 02:01, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Are arrangements of copyrighted works legal or illegal, either in non-commerical or commerical uses? Bayerischermann 23:47, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
Since this article is about arrangement in music, couldn't it be integrated and all the extra bolded instances unbolded? - Acjelen 04:36, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
In computational geometry, the term 'Arrangement' refers to an Arrangement of hyperplanes. I'd like to propose a disambiguation page that distinguishes Arrangements (music) from Arrangement (geometry). The title of this new page would be 'Arrangements', and so I'd need to rename this page itself, something that I don't think I can do.
The list of arrangers is longer than the article proper itself! It should be whittled to just a few, and either those few should be mentioned for illustrative purposes only or else they should stand in stature head and shoulders above all other arrangers in their particular genre--which needs to be specified. A list of big band arrangers, for example, might be limited to Fletcher Henderson, Duke Ellington, and Gil Evans--something like that. TheScotch 08:00, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Here we go again with the compulsive, manic obsession to accuse any knowledge to be "original research" and to tag innocent, well-meaning articles accordingly. In this case, though, whoever put the infamous tag might be right: the article, in fact, does include or mention original research by people like:
To be sure, all of the above musicians and/or musicologists, mentioned in the article, have been guilty of doing "original research" at a given moment in their lives. Not so the authors of this article while writing it.
Also, the article mentions a copious wealth of verifiable sources, so the other accusation ("This article needs additional citations for verification") is false. I've removed the offending tags. -- AVM ( talk) 16:09, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
What information may be supported by original research in the article currently rather than citations? Hyacinth ( talk) 00:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
What information in this article currently needs additional citations for verification? Hyacinth ( talk) 00:38, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Regarding Don Redman, the article says, inter alia:
He introduced the pattern of arranging melodies in the body of arrangements and arranging section performances of the big band.
Please explain what this means, or how it differs from previous practice. What was the nature of his innovation or change? yoyo ( talk) 09:13, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
His importance in the formulation of arranged hot jazz can not be overstated; a chief trademark of Redman's arrangements was that he harmonized melody lines and pseudo-solos within separate sections; for example, clarinet, sax, or brass trios. He played these sections off each other, having one section punctuate the figures of another, or moving the melody around different orchestral sections and soloists. His use of this technique was sophisticated, highly innovative, and formed the basis of much big band jazz writing in the following decades.
Hi there guys,
I have been assigned some Wikipedia work for my class at Berklee College of Music. I notice that the arranging page is particularly low on content. With your agreement of course I would like to propose some additional categories to which I and others can add more information.
They are as follows:
Arranging by instrumental group:
Big Band:
Horn Section:
Strings:
Orchestral/Ensemble:
Rhythm Section:
Synthesizer:
Vocal:
Other:
By Genre:
Film Score Arranging:
Musical Theatre Arranging:
Popular Music:
Popular Instrumental Music:
By Decade:
10s through 2010s
As I also have a particular interest in the Australian music industry I would like to add an "Australian Arrangers" section with some appropriate names listed.
Australian Arrangers:
John Foreman
David Pritchard-Blunt
Timothy Sexton
Daniel Denholm
As this is a rather major change I thought it would be best to post to the discussion page before making any alterations. I would appreciate your suggestions. I will wait a couple of days to alter the page, and will not remove any of the information currently posted.
All the best,
Pdougherty1 ( talk) 01:42, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi guys,
I have begun some work on the article. Hope it is acceptable.
All the best, Pdougherty1 ( talk) 20:36, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure the current definition is correct. I believe "arrange/arrangement" is commonly used to describe the process of working out what instruments play what parts in any composition, whether it's an adaptation of an existing composition or not. A band, for example, will work out the arrangement of an original song.
Here are some reliable sources that use the term "arrangement" differently from how Wikipedia currently uses it:
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Arrangement means to arrange somthing with others and change to make an arrangement means to make a change
Not unless the set of instruments is the orchestra--which does not normally include voices. Moreover, orchestration is obviously also involved in writing an original piece for orchestra. This is not to suggest that the article's opening sentence is acceptable as it now stands. Here it is: "In music, an arrangement loosely describes rewriting a piece of pre-existing music for a specific set of instruments or voices, often in harmony or with additional original material." I don't think describes is the right word here, and I don't know what is meant by "in harmony with". TheScotch 09:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Is a work for one instrument, written so it can be played on another, an arrangement or a "transcription"? Dysprosia 00:41, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
No, a good transcription takes the new instrumental combination into account. An arrangement includes new musical material. TheScotch 09:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I see this is old, but it's probably good to understand it. I'm not a pro, but in common usage transcribing music is changing the key (you transpose it, when you write it down you transcribe it). On a piano the key of C is all white keys, change it to E and you get a bunch of black keys, and the music must be rewritten with new chord changes and sharp and flat fingering. CDEFG becomes EFshGshAB, CFG chord changes become EAB, etc.. On the guitar it can get complicated. It's more than that, but it's really just rewriting it, on some level. Arranging music might change chording to more colorful things, switch instruments, add movements or solos, and much more. Arranging is like customizing a car - it's still the same car, but it has your stamp on it, too. Surely some here might quibble with this, but it's the sense that the musicians I've known think of it in. "Trans-scribe" - change writing Jjdon ( talk) 02:01, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Are arrangements of copyrighted works legal or illegal, either in non-commerical or commerical uses? Bayerischermann 23:47, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
Since this article is about arrangement in music, couldn't it be integrated and all the extra bolded instances unbolded? - Acjelen 04:36, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
In computational geometry, the term 'Arrangement' refers to an Arrangement of hyperplanes. I'd like to propose a disambiguation page that distinguishes Arrangements (music) from Arrangement (geometry). The title of this new page would be 'Arrangements', and so I'd need to rename this page itself, something that I don't think I can do.
The list of arrangers is longer than the article proper itself! It should be whittled to just a few, and either those few should be mentioned for illustrative purposes only or else they should stand in stature head and shoulders above all other arrangers in their particular genre--which needs to be specified. A list of big band arrangers, for example, might be limited to Fletcher Henderson, Duke Ellington, and Gil Evans--something like that. TheScotch 08:00, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Here we go again with the compulsive, manic obsession to accuse any knowledge to be "original research" and to tag innocent, well-meaning articles accordingly. In this case, though, whoever put the infamous tag might be right: the article, in fact, does include or mention original research by people like:
To be sure, all of the above musicians and/or musicologists, mentioned in the article, have been guilty of doing "original research" at a given moment in their lives. Not so the authors of this article while writing it.
Also, the article mentions a copious wealth of verifiable sources, so the other accusation ("This article needs additional citations for verification") is false. I've removed the offending tags. -- AVM ( talk) 16:09, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
What information may be supported by original research in the article currently rather than citations? Hyacinth ( talk) 00:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
What information in this article currently needs additional citations for verification? Hyacinth ( talk) 00:38, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Regarding Don Redman, the article says, inter alia:
He introduced the pattern of arranging melodies in the body of arrangements and arranging section performances of the big band.
Please explain what this means, or how it differs from previous practice. What was the nature of his innovation or change? yoyo ( talk) 09:13, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
His importance in the formulation of arranged hot jazz can not be overstated; a chief trademark of Redman's arrangements was that he harmonized melody lines and pseudo-solos within separate sections; for example, clarinet, sax, or brass trios. He played these sections off each other, having one section punctuate the figures of another, or moving the melody around different orchestral sections and soloists. His use of this technique was sophisticated, highly innovative, and formed the basis of much big band jazz writing in the following decades.
Hi there guys,
I have been assigned some Wikipedia work for my class at Berklee College of Music. I notice that the arranging page is particularly low on content. With your agreement of course I would like to propose some additional categories to which I and others can add more information.
They are as follows:
Arranging by instrumental group:
Big Band:
Horn Section:
Strings:
Orchestral/Ensemble:
Rhythm Section:
Synthesizer:
Vocal:
Other:
By Genre:
Film Score Arranging:
Musical Theatre Arranging:
Popular Music:
Popular Instrumental Music:
By Decade:
10s through 2010s
As I also have a particular interest in the Australian music industry I would like to add an "Australian Arrangers" section with some appropriate names listed.
Australian Arrangers:
John Foreman
David Pritchard-Blunt
Timothy Sexton
Daniel Denholm
As this is a rather major change I thought it would be best to post to the discussion page before making any alterations. I would appreciate your suggestions. I will wait a couple of days to alter the page, and will not remove any of the information currently posted.
All the best,
Pdougherty1 ( talk) 01:42, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi guys,
I have begun some work on the article. Hope it is acceptable.
All the best, Pdougherty1 ( talk) 20:36, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure the current definition is correct. I believe "arrange/arrangement" is commonly used to describe the process of working out what instruments play what parts in any composition, whether it's an adaptation of an existing composition or not. A band, for example, will work out the arrangement of an original song.
Here are some reliable sources that use the term "arrangement" differently from how Wikipedia currently uses it: