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I gave this a B rating but it looks good to me. Might need some introductory material, but I'm not familiar with these types of articles on Wikipedia. Ealdgyth | Talk 04:08, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
“ | The Royal arms to this day continue to show the lillies of France, but only as a part of the double tressure flory counterflory gules of the quartered arms of Scotland. | ” |
I revert this because it is misleading on two points. Not all fleurs-de-lis allude to France, and there is no consensus that the Scottish tressure has a French origin. Secondly, the word continue implies that the Scottish tressure has something to do with the Plantagenet claim on France! — Tamfang ( talk) 21:35, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was moved. -- BDD ( talk) 17:00, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
– This title more accurately reflects the contents of this list. This is not an article about a notable published roll of arms; this is a list of coats of arms which in itself represents a roll of arms (or armorial). Thus, "List of coats of arms" is a more accurate indication of what may be found here. Also, Plantagenet in this context is rather vague, "House of Plantagenet" is more precise. Wilhelm Meis ( ☎ Diskuss | ✍ Beiträge) 23:46, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
The page currently indicates it is a list of arms held by the descendants of GP in the male line. If so, it should include the cheque coat of the Warenne earls, descended from Geoffrey's son Hamelin. Otherwise the introductory description should be tweaked to exclude them. From a genealogical perspective they belong here as Geoffrey's descendants, but from a heraldic perspective they don't as they do not show continuity with the lion motif of the Plantagenets, adopting the coat (and surname) of Hamelin's father-in-law. Agricolae ( talk) 18:34, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
I just uploaded my rewrite of the article as of 1st of October 2013. Some of the new things I added:
Notices and explanations:
Please help me improve the article, all suggestions welcome. Sodacan ( talk) 03:33, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
I noticed a couple places where the blazon does not match the emblazonment.
Indefatigable ( talk) 18:19, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
There are multiple other Ancien/moderne mismatches. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.162.51.24 ( talk) 08:32, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I am having a serious problem with France ancien or moderne. Is it possible that when Henry IV changed the arms to three fleurs-de-lys in 1406, all living bearers of France ancien just switched to France moderne, so we could have a clear cut depiction of arms? Reigen ( talk) 08:16, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
The blazon given for Henry VI here in note 50 refers to Pinches, J.H & R.V., p. 97, which actually reads: "The arms of Henry VI, which remained the same as his father's, were Quarterly, France modern and England." Are there any other sources for the blazon as it is given here? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.208.167.245 ( talk) 15:19, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
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I gave this a B rating but it looks good to me. Might need some introductory material, but I'm not familiar with these types of articles on Wikipedia. Ealdgyth | Talk 04:08, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
“ | The Royal arms to this day continue to show the lillies of France, but only as a part of the double tressure flory counterflory gules of the quartered arms of Scotland. | ” |
I revert this because it is misleading on two points. Not all fleurs-de-lis allude to France, and there is no consensus that the Scottish tressure has a French origin. Secondly, the word continue implies that the Scottish tressure has something to do with the Plantagenet claim on France! — Tamfang ( talk) 21:35, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was moved. -- BDD ( talk) 17:00, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
– This title more accurately reflects the contents of this list. This is not an article about a notable published roll of arms; this is a list of coats of arms which in itself represents a roll of arms (or armorial). Thus, "List of coats of arms" is a more accurate indication of what may be found here. Also, Plantagenet in this context is rather vague, "House of Plantagenet" is more precise. Wilhelm Meis ( ☎ Diskuss | ✍ Beiträge) 23:46, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
The page currently indicates it is a list of arms held by the descendants of GP in the male line. If so, it should include the cheque coat of the Warenne earls, descended from Geoffrey's son Hamelin. Otherwise the introductory description should be tweaked to exclude them. From a genealogical perspective they belong here as Geoffrey's descendants, but from a heraldic perspective they don't as they do not show continuity with the lion motif of the Plantagenets, adopting the coat (and surname) of Hamelin's father-in-law. Agricolae ( talk) 18:34, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
I just uploaded my rewrite of the article as of 1st of October 2013. Some of the new things I added:
Notices and explanations:
Please help me improve the article, all suggestions welcome. Sodacan ( talk) 03:33, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
I noticed a couple places where the blazon does not match the emblazonment.
Indefatigable ( talk) 18:19, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
There are multiple other Ancien/moderne mismatches. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.162.51.24 ( talk) 08:32, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I am having a serious problem with France ancien or moderne. Is it possible that when Henry IV changed the arms to three fleurs-de-lys in 1406, all living bearers of France ancien just switched to France moderne, so we could have a clear cut depiction of arms? Reigen ( talk) 08:16, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
The blazon given for Henry VI here in note 50 refers to Pinches, J.H & R.V., p. 97, which actually reads: "The arms of Henry VI, which remained the same as his father's, were Quarterly, France modern and England." Are there any other sources for the blazon as it is given here? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.208.167.245 ( talk) 15:19, 18 April 2016 (UTC)