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I removed the info on Nakhichevan, the status of that region has nothing to do with the topic of this article. Grandmaster ( talk) 07:41, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:46, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
I removed the following sentance because it doesn't adhere to the WP:POV. "Today the Armenians in Azerbaijan are largely concentrated in the break-away region of Nagorno-Karabakh (known as the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast), which declared its unilateral act of independence in 1991 under the name Nagorno-Karabakh Republic but has not been recognised by any country." -- VartanM ( talk) 11:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
A whole bunch of reverts with no talkpage discussion is not good enough, people. If you want to keep going you need to starting talking it over here first, otherwise I'll start handing out the usual blocks and revert paroles. Moreschi ( talk) 15:02, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
I think we should follow Moreschi's advice and continue the discussion here, and not on my talk. US State Department might not be perfect, but no one has demonstrated that the info they provide is wrong. They say pretty much the same as Demoscope, and if 2 sources agree on a fact, you need to bring other independent sources disputing it. Removing a source because you think it cannot know something is not acceptable. Grand master 17:23, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
You cannot assume people exist and give exact numbers of how many there are. And he must've not read my links, because India was very mad at the USD for placing part of their land as Pakistan, who is currently disputing the land.
The sentence basicly contridicts itself:
"... almost exclusively comprises persons married to Azeris or of mixed Armenian-Azeri descent"
"They are likely to be the elderly and sick, and probably have no family members."
I also cannot get over the fact the article implies they are in hiding and that they will change their names to stay that way. How can we possibly know they exist, than? -- TheShadowCrow ( talk) 21:17, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
I should thank you for that link.
"... while there were no accurate figures for the Armenian population of Nagorny Karabakh."
"The 1999 Census in Azerbaijan recorded 120,700 Armenians in Azerbaijan, a figure that is difficult to substantiate."
"Anecdotally the figure of 30,000 is often cited, though this is almost certainly an exaggeration."
"There is no reliable data for numbers of Armenians in the seceded territory of Nagorny Karabakh"
Even they admit this is impossible to know. We should just remove this part so we don't say anything inaccurate. -- TheShadowCrow ( talk) 15:54, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm not convinced on the mixed marriage thing either because Azeris in Armenia and vice versa are supposed to be living in hiding and have even changed their names to avoid discrimination. Did these people actually go into the country and meet these people directly? Armenians aren't supposed to be allowed in Azerbaijan. That makes giving even an estimate extremely complicated.
Also, given a war going on, I'd say any data from the mid-1990s is past outdated. -- TheShadowCrow ( talk) 21:29, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Fine. But not only does this source say the typical 30,000 is wrong, the info is also from mid-1990s. That's certainly out dated and it's impossible to give an accurate number now because not only is a war going on, but Azerbaijan has an incredibly dictatorship-like law banning an entire race. So we shouldn't include a number. -- TheShadowCrow ( talk) 00:38, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Yes, but this number is outdated. It's impossible to give any number now. A war is going on, so Armenians are likely leaving constantly. How are we supposed to get an accurate number now? We could ask Azerbaijan, and they'll tell us, "We have no Armenians, we don't allow an entire race into our country." And you can't look for Armenian surnames for an answer because they're supposed to be changing them. The US State Department is bringing old numbers back up because it's impossible to record new ones. Due to all the Azeri-Armenian conflict, it's simply impossible to know. -- TheShadowCrow ( talk) 00:28, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
So just because any website we can site says something, that makes it true? Who are you to decide that? If we know the info is inaccurate, we shouldn't include it. -- TheShadowCrow ( talk) 18:43, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
I've now protected this page for a week to encourage users to actually engage in a talk-page discussion about the map in question. Notwithstanding that the map may be deleted for licensing reasons, that won't solve the fundamental argument. Ged UK 12:37, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Recently added pages such as Armenian Press of Baku and Armenian oil Business of Baku should be added to the page. This can even be done with external links. -- Anonymous ( talk) 01:16, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
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I removed the info on Nakhichevan, the status of that region has nothing to do with the topic of this article. Grandmaster ( talk) 07:41, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of this article's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "dewaal":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:46, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
I removed the following sentance because it doesn't adhere to the WP:POV. "Today the Armenians in Azerbaijan are largely concentrated in the break-away region of Nagorno-Karabakh (known as the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast), which declared its unilateral act of independence in 1991 under the name Nagorno-Karabakh Republic but has not been recognised by any country." -- VartanM ( talk) 11:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
A whole bunch of reverts with no talkpage discussion is not good enough, people. If you want to keep going you need to starting talking it over here first, otherwise I'll start handing out the usual blocks and revert paroles. Moreschi ( talk) 15:02, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
I think we should follow Moreschi's advice and continue the discussion here, and not on my talk. US State Department might not be perfect, but no one has demonstrated that the info they provide is wrong. They say pretty much the same as Demoscope, and if 2 sources agree on a fact, you need to bring other independent sources disputing it. Removing a source because you think it cannot know something is not acceptable. Grand master 17:23, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
You cannot assume people exist and give exact numbers of how many there are. And he must've not read my links, because India was very mad at the USD for placing part of their land as Pakistan, who is currently disputing the land.
The sentence basicly contridicts itself:
"... almost exclusively comprises persons married to Azeris or of mixed Armenian-Azeri descent"
"They are likely to be the elderly and sick, and probably have no family members."
I also cannot get over the fact the article implies they are in hiding and that they will change their names to stay that way. How can we possibly know they exist, than? -- TheShadowCrow ( talk) 21:17, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
I should thank you for that link.
"... while there were no accurate figures for the Armenian population of Nagorny Karabakh."
"The 1999 Census in Azerbaijan recorded 120,700 Armenians in Azerbaijan, a figure that is difficult to substantiate."
"Anecdotally the figure of 30,000 is often cited, though this is almost certainly an exaggeration."
"There is no reliable data for numbers of Armenians in the seceded territory of Nagorny Karabakh"
Even they admit this is impossible to know. We should just remove this part so we don't say anything inaccurate. -- TheShadowCrow ( talk) 15:54, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm not convinced on the mixed marriage thing either because Azeris in Armenia and vice versa are supposed to be living in hiding and have even changed their names to avoid discrimination. Did these people actually go into the country and meet these people directly? Armenians aren't supposed to be allowed in Azerbaijan. That makes giving even an estimate extremely complicated.
Also, given a war going on, I'd say any data from the mid-1990s is past outdated. -- TheShadowCrow ( talk) 21:29, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Fine. But not only does this source say the typical 30,000 is wrong, the info is also from mid-1990s. That's certainly out dated and it's impossible to give an accurate number now because not only is a war going on, but Azerbaijan has an incredibly dictatorship-like law banning an entire race. So we shouldn't include a number. -- TheShadowCrow ( talk) 00:38, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Yes, but this number is outdated. It's impossible to give any number now. A war is going on, so Armenians are likely leaving constantly. How are we supposed to get an accurate number now? We could ask Azerbaijan, and they'll tell us, "We have no Armenians, we don't allow an entire race into our country." And you can't look for Armenian surnames for an answer because they're supposed to be changing them. The US State Department is bringing old numbers back up because it's impossible to record new ones. Due to all the Azeri-Armenian conflict, it's simply impossible to know. -- TheShadowCrow ( talk) 00:28, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
So just because any website we can site says something, that makes it true? Who are you to decide that? If we know the info is inaccurate, we shouldn't include it. -- TheShadowCrow ( talk) 18:43, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
I've now protected this page for a week to encourage users to actually engage in a talk-page discussion about the map in question. Notwithstanding that the map may be deleted for licensing reasons, that won't solve the fundamental argument. Ged UK 12:37, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Recently added pages such as Armenian Press of Baku and Armenian oil Business of Baku should be added to the page. This can even be done with external links. -- Anonymous ( talk) 01:16, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
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