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I seriously do not undertsnad this statement.
" Armenian resistance was developed under the shadow of Armenian Genocide."
If the previous sentence is correct, "Armenian resistance is the military and political activities of the "Armenian militia" or (Social Democrat Hunchakian Party, Armenakan, Armenian Revolutionary Federation) against the Ottoman Empire during the (remove "the" here) World War One"
then how in the world is "in the shadow of" relevant here? it was APPEARENT and OBVIOUS to everyone that an Armenian resistance existed before, during, and after any "genocide". It was not a secret that the Frecnh, Russian, English, and Americans also funded, supported, supplied, and trained the "Armenian resistance" as well. SO this is completely false. Either A is correct or B is corect, not both.
I'm removing the weasel worded one that's without references. You can say "Armenian resistance developed before the Armenian genocide and was put to use during and after" or something like that. -- Oguz1 17:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The Armenian resistance occurred before the Armenian Genocide, not under the shadow of. It was created in order to gain independence from the Ottoman Empire, and was motivated by the emerging nationalist movement that occurred throughout the world.
Please do not try and distort history by adding your propaganda by claiming that the resistance was "under the shadow" of the Armenian Genocide when it was clearly before that. Arsenic99 21:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Wasn't the whole point of "Armenian Genocide" that there was no Armenian threat to the Ottoman Empire before it all happened? TheDarkLordSeth ( talk)
The very title is ultra-biased, a total distortion of history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slntssssn ( talk • contribs) 16:01, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I agre that the article is a total distortion of history, but for the moment I don't support its deletion. The article should record the examples of Armenian resistance(mostly unsuccessful) during the Armenian genocide, and as such could probably be little more than a list leading to individual entries.
The article as it currently stands appears to seek to propagate the myth of an "Armenian rebellion" during WW1, a myth that is used as a way of denying or excusing the Armenian genocide. There are almost no sources cited within the article, and no sources at all for all of the article's dubious content. Most of the article is simply invention, starting at its first paragraph. Most of the current text is probably unsalvageable and should be deleted, but the subject itself is worthy of note and coverage. Meowy 21:10, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
An armed unrest in a country is called "revolt", "uprising" or "mutiny", not resistance. "Resistance" occurs in invaded lands. Armenians attempted an uprising during the WW1 in the Ottoman territory, and were punished dearly. Civilian losses suffered by Turkish, Kurdish and Armenian originated Ottomans were a complete tragedy. However these uprisings can not be called a "resistance" in English language. The header should be changed to "Armenian Uprising".
The one-sided story should also be edited to relieve the souls of those who were hunted down and massacred by Armenian militia. 213.74.84.104 ( talk) 22:44, 7 April 2011 (UTC)fft124 213.74.84.104 ( talk) 22:44, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
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How misleading is it to imply that Armenian violence was simply a reaction to the Ottoman Government policies at the time of WWI? Very much so. Armenian insurgency has pretty much started right after the Berlin Congress 1878. Look up ARF and Hinchak organizations. Numerous uprisings from 1890 and on. All plainly recorded here in Wikipedia, but miraculously omitted in this article, or labeled "resistance"... which usually means an Armenian armed rebellion. Why not call it what it is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.57.11.98 ( talk) 16:53, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Over the past week, a series of unregistered users have added a section to this article about Tehlirian. I oppose the inclusion of this content. Per WP:BRD and WP:ONUS, the burden should really be on the editors advocating inclusion of the content to justify themselves here. If anyone agrees with me, I encourage them to revert. I am not eager to continue edit warring with a rotating cast of IPs.
On the content itself, are Tehlirian's actions in 1919 and 1921 within the scope of this article? There's some debate about the end date of the genocide, with this article currently suggesting 1918 as an end date in the infobox. If Tehlirian is to be included, can we limit his mention to a short section listing both assassinations and a link to his article (and maybe that of Talaat Pasha's assassination)? Firefangledfeathers ( talk) 05:05, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
It has been said many times that the title is complete nonsense.But the classic tactic of not ignoring the problem applies here.Did the Armenians, who had the power to seize the city of Van, occupied it? Or Van already belong to them? Sometimes I see that wikipedia is no different from reddit.Isn't it time to change that ridiculous headline? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Talatr ( talk • contribs) 05:36, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
The Armenian Irregular Units per se don't have anything to do with the local resistance in camps or villages. [1] Their units were crucial for the victory of the Russian army in the Caucasus some scholars as Christopher Gunn stipulate, but not present in the camps in mountains and deserts where the killing and dying happened. I would recommend deleting that part and to focus more on resistance movements like Musa Dag and Urfa, which also were armed and violent. Ramurmel ( talk) 06:31, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
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I seriously do not undertsnad this statement.
" Armenian resistance was developed under the shadow of Armenian Genocide."
If the previous sentence is correct, "Armenian resistance is the military and political activities of the "Armenian militia" or (Social Democrat Hunchakian Party, Armenakan, Armenian Revolutionary Federation) against the Ottoman Empire during the (remove "the" here) World War One"
then how in the world is "in the shadow of" relevant here? it was APPEARENT and OBVIOUS to everyone that an Armenian resistance existed before, during, and after any "genocide". It was not a secret that the Frecnh, Russian, English, and Americans also funded, supported, supplied, and trained the "Armenian resistance" as well. SO this is completely false. Either A is correct or B is corect, not both.
I'm removing the weasel worded one that's without references. You can say "Armenian resistance developed before the Armenian genocide and was put to use during and after" or something like that. -- Oguz1 17:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The Armenian resistance occurred before the Armenian Genocide, not under the shadow of. It was created in order to gain independence from the Ottoman Empire, and was motivated by the emerging nationalist movement that occurred throughout the world.
Please do not try and distort history by adding your propaganda by claiming that the resistance was "under the shadow" of the Armenian Genocide when it was clearly before that. Arsenic99 21:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Wasn't the whole point of "Armenian Genocide" that there was no Armenian threat to the Ottoman Empire before it all happened? TheDarkLordSeth ( talk)
The very title is ultra-biased, a total distortion of history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slntssssn ( talk • contribs) 16:01, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I agre that the article is a total distortion of history, but for the moment I don't support its deletion. The article should record the examples of Armenian resistance(mostly unsuccessful) during the Armenian genocide, and as such could probably be little more than a list leading to individual entries.
The article as it currently stands appears to seek to propagate the myth of an "Armenian rebellion" during WW1, a myth that is used as a way of denying or excusing the Armenian genocide. There are almost no sources cited within the article, and no sources at all for all of the article's dubious content. Most of the article is simply invention, starting at its first paragraph. Most of the current text is probably unsalvageable and should be deleted, but the subject itself is worthy of note and coverage. Meowy 21:10, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
An armed unrest in a country is called "revolt", "uprising" or "mutiny", not resistance. "Resistance" occurs in invaded lands. Armenians attempted an uprising during the WW1 in the Ottoman territory, and were punished dearly. Civilian losses suffered by Turkish, Kurdish and Armenian originated Ottomans were a complete tragedy. However these uprisings can not be called a "resistance" in English language. The header should be changed to "Armenian Uprising".
The one-sided story should also be edited to relieve the souls of those who were hunted down and massacred by Armenian militia. 213.74.84.104 ( talk) 22:44, 7 April 2011 (UTC)fft124 213.74.84.104 ( talk) 22:44, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
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How misleading is it to imply that Armenian violence was simply a reaction to the Ottoman Government policies at the time of WWI? Very much so. Armenian insurgency has pretty much started right after the Berlin Congress 1878. Look up ARF and Hinchak organizations. Numerous uprisings from 1890 and on. All plainly recorded here in Wikipedia, but miraculously omitted in this article, or labeled "resistance"... which usually means an Armenian armed rebellion. Why not call it what it is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.57.11.98 ( talk) 16:53, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Over the past week, a series of unregistered users have added a section to this article about Tehlirian. I oppose the inclusion of this content. Per WP:BRD and WP:ONUS, the burden should really be on the editors advocating inclusion of the content to justify themselves here. If anyone agrees with me, I encourage them to revert. I am not eager to continue edit warring with a rotating cast of IPs.
On the content itself, are Tehlirian's actions in 1919 and 1921 within the scope of this article? There's some debate about the end date of the genocide, with this article currently suggesting 1918 as an end date in the infobox. If Tehlirian is to be included, can we limit his mention to a short section listing both assassinations and a link to his article (and maybe that of Talaat Pasha's assassination)? Firefangledfeathers ( talk) 05:05, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
It has been said many times that the title is complete nonsense.But the classic tactic of not ignoring the problem applies here.Did the Armenians, who had the power to seize the city of Van, occupied it? Or Van already belong to them? Sometimes I see that wikipedia is no different from reddit.Isn't it time to change that ridiculous headline? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Talatr ( talk • contribs) 05:36, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
The Armenian Irregular Units per se don't have anything to do with the local resistance in camps or villages. [1] Their units were crucial for the victory of the Russian army in the Caucasus some scholars as Christopher Gunn stipulate, but not present in the camps in mountains and deserts where the killing and dying happened. I would recommend deleting that part and to focus more on resistance movements like Musa Dag and Urfa, which also were armed and violent. Ramurmel ( talk) 06:31, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
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