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I'm removing the link to Armenica.org: Complete history of Armenia, covering 800 B.C. to 2004 precisely because it is so general, that it properly belongs under History of Armenia, where I'll be putting it in a coupla minutes. From that link it is true that one can navigate to a good, detailed section on the history of the Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia — but that section is presented in a number of individual pages in frames; and though it's possible to link to any one of those pages outside the frames, that site is misdesigned in such a way as to require frames to get to the next one: thus making useful local linking impossible. Bill 3 July 2005 11:50 (UTC)
Armenia Minor was actually the Western Part of Historic Armenia. Basically, the region West of the Euphrates river was known as Armenia Minor, both before, and especially during Roman times. HawaiiArmenian
The expand tag doesn't belong here. Sure, most any article in Wikipedia can be expanded; there's no reason to clutter up Wikipedia:Requests for expansion with this one. Gene Nygaard 13:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Does this belong in the article? It is not put in any context. It's just a floating quotation. And the date in the reference (1927) is telling. It was written at a time when a certain breed of nationalism and racialism was in vogue and is does not have the veneer of scholarship. I don't know if it can serve any purpose in the article. Srnec 05:56, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
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Is there a way to list Princes and Kings on the template, instead of calling all of the Kings? Thanks. -- Davo88 22:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
The title "King of the Armenians" appears on the coinage of Cilician Armenian. Meowy 20:39, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Danizz, can you please explain to me, why an article about ancient Armenian Kingdom instead of saying that it was an Armenian kingdom say that its now part of Turkey? And no the anon was not me, I never edit as an anon. You can do a checkuser if you like. -- VartanM 03:07, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Image of Armenian knight not clear to distinguish wearing a salade which dates the 15th century if of family from the reach as the apparently visor helmet may be a bascinet.
Unfortunately, it appears that this article is the latest target in an ever-widening dispute, centered on Franco-Mongol alliance. The issue is that there is a POV dispute there, about such issues as whether or not the Mongols were in Jerusalem in 1300, and whether or not Hetoum was in Jerusalem in 1300. There is a medieval source which says he was, but most modern sources say that the medieval source was unreliable. While we're sorting this out, unless there's someone who's extremely knowledgeable on the subject and would like to help out, it's probably best to just leave the "disputed" tag on the article. -- El on ka 23:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Some suggestions after a quick read:
-- Folantin ( talk) 09:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm curious if it might also sound reasonable to follow the model that the Soviet Armenian Encyclopedia follows: it contains an overall history as well as individual sections including Cilicia's military, economy, philosophy, culture, etc. Comments? I'd definitely like to see this article reach FA status.-- Marshal Bagramyan 03:11, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I tried to straighten the situation on the numbering of the Levon kings, which was utterly confused (typically a given number would redirect to another one etc...). At one end, it seems quite clear from the sources that king Leo I of Armenia was originally called Prince Leo II, but should be referred as Leo I of Armenia indeed (the earlier Leo I was only a prince and never a king, and indeed has his article as Prince Levon I of Armenia). At the other end of the line of rulers, the last king seems to be undoubtedy numbered Leo V of Armenia, as confirmed by sources ( Claude Mutafian, Le Pogam) basing themselves on his own seal and cenotaph. In the articles for each kings I favoured this numbering method, and clarified that the alternative numbering (+1) was only occasional (and it seems historically mistaken). I also modified the redirects so that Leo I redirects to Leo I, Leo II to Leo II etc... I suspect that some articles however still misnumber some of the kings in their text, so that it will take some patrolling to eradicate all mistakes. Regards to all. PHG ( talk) 17:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
The article says this term is as an alternative name for Armenian Cilicia. However, it is my understanding that "Lesser Armenia" (also called Armenia Minor) were those parts of Armenia that lay to the west of "Greater Armenia" (also called Armenia Major). Lesser Armenia did not include Cilicia. However, Cilician Armenia was also known as "little Armenia". Meowy 20:52, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
A statement in the section Foundation of Armenian power in Cilicia says that the fortresses of Raban is modern Altınaşkale. I have had no luck finding a Turkish place by that name. Could someone tell me the original source? It seems like Raban is actually the modern Araban. Aramgar ( talk) 23:51, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
As part of my additions I added information about Armenian Cilicia under French rule. However, do you think it is relevant enough in this article? -- Davo88 ( talk) 17:23, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
I've completed a full copy edit, as requested. You will notice I have left a few hidden comments, most of which are minor things. The entire top half of the article (before "Demise of Cilician Armenia") is excellently written, and would surely be FA-prone; however, below it was, in my judgement, written by a completely different person; there were long two-line enumerations, several style issues, inconsistent capitalization, various incomprehensible sentences, an entire paragraph I would suggest to be removed, and a few other things I probably noted in comments. I think those should be looked after before submitting it to FAC, but other than that, great article, quite easy to read. If you need anything else, or require another copy edit (be it a personal request or a request from reviewers at FAC), feel free to drop by the Guild of Copy-Editors again for another lookover, or visit my user page for other questions. Good luck with the nomination! EricLeb01 ( Page | Talk) 00:45, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
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I'm removing the link to Armenica.org: Complete history of Armenia, covering 800 B.C. to 2004 precisely because it is so general, that it properly belongs under History of Armenia, where I'll be putting it in a coupla minutes. From that link it is true that one can navigate to a good, detailed section on the history of the Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia — but that section is presented in a number of individual pages in frames; and though it's possible to link to any one of those pages outside the frames, that site is misdesigned in such a way as to require frames to get to the next one: thus making useful local linking impossible. Bill 3 July 2005 11:50 (UTC)
Armenia Minor was actually the Western Part of Historic Armenia. Basically, the region West of the Euphrates river was known as Armenia Minor, both before, and especially during Roman times. HawaiiArmenian
The expand tag doesn't belong here. Sure, most any article in Wikipedia can be expanded; there's no reason to clutter up Wikipedia:Requests for expansion with this one. Gene Nygaard 13:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Does this belong in the article? It is not put in any context. It's just a floating quotation. And the date in the reference (1927) is telling. It was written at a time when a certain breed of nationalism and racialism was in vogue and is does not have the veneer of scholarship. I don't know if it can serve any purpose in the article. Srnec 05:56, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
References
Is there a way to list Princes and Kings on the template, instead of calling all of the Kings? Thanks. -- Davo88 22:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
The title "King of the Armenians" appears on the coinage of Cilician Armenian. Meowy 20:39, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Danizz, can you please explain to me, why an article about ancient Armenian Kingdom instead of saying that it was an Armenian kingdom say that its now part of Turkey? And no the anon was not me, I never edit as an anon. You can do a checkuser if you like. -- VartanM 03:07, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Image of Armenian knight not clear to distinguish wearing a salade which dates the 15th century if of family from the reach as the apparently visor helmet may be a bascinet.
Unfortunately, it appears that this article is the latest target in an ever-widening dispute, centered on Franco-Mongol alliance. The issue is that there is a POV dispute there, about such issues as whether or not the Mongols were in Jerusalem in 1300, and whether or not Hetoum was in Jerusalem in 1300. There is a medieval source which says he was, but most modern sources say that the medieval source was unreliable. While we're sorting this out, unless there's someone who's extremely knowledgeable on the subject and would like to help out, it's probably best to just leave the "disputed" tag on the article. -- El on ka 23:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Some suggestions after a quick read:
-- Folantin ( talk) 09:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm curious if it might also sound reasonable to follow the model that the Soviet Armenian Encyclopedia follows: it contains an overall history as well as individual sections including Cilicia's military, economy, philosophy, culture, etc. Comments? I'd definitely like to see this article reach FA status.-- Marshal Bagramyan 03:11, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I tried to straighten the situation on the numbering of the Levon kings, which was utterly confused (typically a given number would redirect to another one etc...). At one end, it seems quite clear from the sources that king Leo I of Armenia was originally called Prince Leo II, but should be referred as Leo I of Armenia indeed (the earlier Leo I was only a prince and never a king, and indeed has his article as Prince Levon I of Armenia). At the other end of the line of rulers, the last king seems to be undoubtedy numbered Leo V of Armenia, as confirmed by sources ( Claude Mutafian, Le Pogam) basing themselves on his own seal and cenotaph. In the articles for each kings I favoured this numbering method, and clarified that the alternative numbering (+1) was only occasional (and it seems historically mistaken). I also modified the redirects so that Leo I redirects to Leo I, Leo II to Leo II etc... I suspect that some articles however still misnumber some of the kings in their text, so that it will take some patrolling to eradicate all mistakes. Regards to all. PHG ( talk) 17:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
The article says this term is as an alternative name for Armenian Cilicia. However, it is my understanding that "Lesser Armenia" (also called Armenia Minor) were those parts of Armenia that lay to the west of "Greater Armenia" (also called Armenia Major). Lesser Armenia did not include Cilicia. However, Cilician Armenia was also known as "little Armenia". Meowy 20:52, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
A statement in the section Foundation of Armenian power in Cilicia says that the fortresses of Raban is modern Altınaşkale. I have had no luck finding a Turkish place by that name. Could someone tell me the original source? It seems like Raban is actually the modern Araban. Aramgar ( talk) 23:51, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
As part of my additions I added information about Armenian Cilicia under French rule. However, do you think it is relevant enough in this article? -- Davo88 ( talk) 17:23, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
I've completed a full copy edit, as requested. You will notice I have left a few hidden comments, most of which are minor things. The entire top half of the article (before "Demise of Cilician Armenia") is excellently written, and would surely be FA-prone; however, below it was, in my judgement, written by a completely different person; there were long two-line enumerations, several style issues, inconsistent capitalization, various incomprehensible sentences, an entire paragraph I would suggest to be removed, and a few other things I probably noted in comments. I think those should be looked after before submitting it to FAC, but other than that, great article, quite easy to read. If you need anything else, or require another copy edit (be it a personal request or a request from reviewers at FAC), feel free to drop by the Guild of Copy-Editors again for another lookover, or visit my user page for other questions. Good luck with the nomination! EricLeb01 ( Page | Talk) 00:45, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
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