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I propose this page be moved to " Armenians in the United States" to go in line with other Diaspora pages like Armenians in Canada, Armenians in Lebanon etc. I will go ahead with the move if there is no opposition. - Fedayee 05:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I suggest to change the word "proven" to "debated" or "disputed", because nothing has been proven about the Armenian Genocide. In fact both Armenian diaspora and Armenian government are avoiding a scientific research by a Turkish-Armenian joint committee to prove or disaprove the so-called genocide.
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I agree with the removal of the first part, that has nothing to do with Amenian-Americans, but the second part was sourced and related to to subject. VartanM ( talk) 21:08, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
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I added a new source that states there are 1 million and half armenians in the US, stating made officially by Barack Obama. Also that the Armeniandiaspora.com source claims 1,400,000 Armenians living in the US. Greetings, -- Vitilsky ( talk) 15:07, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Armenians live in every state beyond the 10 largest concentrations mentioned in the wikipedia article. True the Fresno area has a fairly large community, but so does Phoenix, Arizona and Las Vegas, Nevada. Armenian immigrants arrived in the Southwest desert to assist in establishment of year-round agriculture, as some came from warm climates of the eastern Mediterranean and deserts of Syria. 71.102.12.48 ( talk) 19:32, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Often the article was altered, deleted and restored in the past, here's a list of known sizable Armenian communities in the US. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Armenian_American&diff=prev&oldid=547766541#Geographic_distribution No doubt Armenian-Americans formed a huge community in Southern California around Los Angeles, but the list includes nearby counties and metro areas where concentrations of Armenian-Americans reside in. 71.102.9.156 ( talk) 19:10, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't know anything about this topic, but I find it curious that, according to this article, "in the early 1990s, many Armenians arrived in the U.S. as refugees of the Armenian-Azeri War", which war, according to its own article, took place seven decades prior. Mike R ( talk) 21:12, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
They came after the earthquake (Nov. 1988). California had an Armenian governor ( George Deukmejian) and they poured in as refugees, got government assistance, etc. 66.214.187.229 ( talk) 23:00, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
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Would Armenians be considered Caucasian people? I have heard most opinions noting they are, but someone said on Huffington Post that quite a few are mixed and would therefore be Middle Eastern. 108.93.72.117 ( talk) 03:29, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
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I'll be glad to take this review. I'll do a close readthrough in the coming days, noting any issues here that I can't easily fix myself, and then go to the criteria checklist. Thanks in advance for your work on this one! -- Khazar2 ( talk) 06:40, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
This looks broad in coverage and contains a lot of useful information. It's clear that a lot of hard work went into this one. I do have some initial concerns about prose quality which I'll discuss in detail below.
To summarize the two biggest issues I see for now:
I'll put this on hold for a week to give you a chance to address these issues. I do think there's enough quality material here for a Good Article--it's just a question of reworking it to meet the above criteria. Thanks again for your work! -- Khazar2 ( talk) 03:55, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
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Though I think this article is improving, I'm continuing to find a serious number of grammatical and spelling issues in the prose: sentence fragments; misused colons and semicolons; problems with plurals; and wrong, misused, or missing words. This diff shows examples of the kind of issues I'm finding, [5] and some issues I wasn't able to fix myself are list above. There are also some smaller issues with sourcing and with WP:WTA.
Since the issues seem extensive, I'm closing this review for now with the recommendation that this be resubmitted once it's had a thorough copyedit from someone at the Guild of Copyeditors or another source. (The reliable source issues need to be addressed, too, but seem much more manageable.) I made it about a third of the way through the article, which will hopefully reduce the workload for the next editor to tackle this. This article's clearly on its way to becoming a Good Article, even if it's not quite there yet. Thanks for all your work on it, and good luck with the next round, -- Khazar2 ( talk) 03:59, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
The source is available here. The quote stating that the Armenian immigration was a result of instability in those countries:
“ | The Armenian emigration from Egypt since 1952, in 1958-1961 from Syria, since 1960 from the USSR, Greece, Turkey, Lebanon, since 1979 from Iran, later from Jordan and Iraq were consequence of economic and political instability in those countries (արտագաղթը հետևանք էր վերոհիշյալ երկրների տնտեսական և քաղաքական անկայուն գործընթացների). | ” |
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I am starting a review on this article. North8000 ( talk) 12:03, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
This one has been a bit slower going than usual for me. It has an immense amount of work and good material, very well sourced. My first gut feel is to wodner / ask whether there could be a bit more coverage on cultural / cultural traditions. I really didn't notice such but will need to read it a couple more times to be sure. Also I was thinking that the wording could use a bit of wikifying in a few places, but I'd be happy to help there. In any case, neither is serious enough to non-pass GA, but they may be good to discuss. Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 20:53, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Subsequent to my "first impression" comments, I now believe that it covers a bit more in those areas than my first impression. To the point where I think that while those additions would certainly fill a "weak spot" they are not necessary to pass GA. There is one other thing that I noticed in several places (in a minor way) that could use a little work, but not necessary to pass GA. I'm noto sure whetehr it is a matter of language fluency or careful extraction from the source, but it seems to make a lot of statements in a brief categorical way where such makes them a bit of a reach. On the ones where I noticed this, the sources were off line so I couldn't readily go there. But again, these are too minor to affect GA passage. So, after fixing that one specific open item,, I could pass this as a GA, or else, if you prefer, could bring up / work with you on those other areas after which it would pass a "tougher level" of GA review. Thoughts? Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 13:21, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
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I reverted your edit in American Armenian tempale, because Kim was one of the most famous persons and the fact what her figure is some controversial, she is still very very popular and famous, much more poplural than everyone in that list.
@Δαβίδ: Hmm. Uneditable? Who said it should be editable? You are free to make a new collage. This discussion can last forever. And the only way I see reaching a consensus is a poll. If you don't see polling a good option then I don't know what to say.
Again, being famous doesn't not make one a notable and guarantee them a place in the infobox collage. So what she has likes on Facebook and followers on Twitter? I can give you examples of fake accounts on Twitter that have millions of followers. Should we make articles on them? Popularity in the 21st century means nothing. I can do something crazy, record it, upload it to YouTube and become famous. Do I become a notable? No. And thank you Хаченци. Exactly what I wanted to say. -- Երևանցի talk 16:07, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
I haven't been able to take the time to figure out.....is this a case of needing to bump other people to put her in, or just of the addition? North8000 (
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The reason why I asked was to see if the specific proposed or tried change involved bumping somebody else off the collage. If it did not involve bumping someone else, them my opinion would be to include her. She is VERY famous, even if for dumb and superficial reasons and IMHO "very famous" is a good criteria. Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 17:03, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
I don't think this discussion is going anywhere. It is clear that we have worldview differences. Δαβίδ and North8000 say Kim Kardashian is very famous, therefore she should be included in the collage. Хаченци and I think that popularity is not a good criteria and as Хаченци pointed out Famous for being famous is not enough for her inclusion. -- Երևանցի talk 02:45, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Answering the question above, the most common way to get broader input is via a wp:RFC. North8000 ( talk) 12:46, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
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Shall an image of Kim Kardashian be included in the collage in the article's infobox? North8000 ( talk) 02:32, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
I think that it is accepted / taken as a given by the parties in the discussion that she is Armenian, and that the addition would be an expansion rather than removing another image to put her's in. I posted a notice at the Project:Armenia talk page North8000 ( talk) 02:45, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
(BTW I had planned to just facilitate the RFC without actually commenting. But when it went 6 days with no respondents, I commented to try to start the process, which is what happened.)
The RFC has run for 30 days and the bot just removed the template. Regarding arguments/points made, no policy / guideline aspects were discussed and I believe that they are not in play here. So this is a generally matter of editorial discretion. Many of the arguments emphasized that she has not done significant things, and that she is very famous, (and those two statements were not contested.) So it became a matter of editor discretion and editor values on whether or not to include someone which is very famous but who has not done significant useful things.
5 persons supported inclusion of her image in the collage and 3 persons supported exclusion. Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 12:06, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
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I propose this page be moved to " Armenians in the United States" to go in line with other Diaspora pages like Armenians in Canada, Armenians in Lebanon etc. I will go ahead with the move if there is no opposition. - Fedayee 05:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I suggest to change the word "proven" to "debated" or "disputed", because nothing has been proven about the Armenian Genocide. In fact both Armenian diaspora and Armenian government are avoiding a scientific research by a Turkish-Armenian joint committee to prove or disaprove the so-called genocide.
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I agree with the removal of the first part, that has nothing to do with Amenian-Americans, but the second part was sourced and related to to subject. VartanM ( talk) 21:08, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
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I added a new source that states there are 1 million and half armenians in the US, stating made officially by Barack Obama. Also that the Armeniandiaspora.com source claims 1,400,000 Armenians living in the US. Greetings, -- Vitilsky ( talk) 15:07, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Armenians live in every state beyond the 10 largest concentrations mentioned in the wikipedia article. True the Fresno area has a fairly large community, but so does Phoenix, Arizona and Las Vegas, Nevada. Armenian immigrants arrived in the Southwest desert to assist in establishment of year-round agriculture, as some came from warm climates of the eastern Mediterranean and deserts of Syria. 71.102.12.48 ( talk) 19:32, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Often the article was altered, deleted and restored in the past, here's a list of known sizable Armenian communities in the US. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Armenian_American&diff=prev&oldid=547766541#Geographic_distribution No doubt Armenian-Americans formed a huge community in Southern California around Los Angeles, but the list includes nearby counties and metro areas where concentrations of Armenian-Americans reside in. 71.102.9.156 ( talk) 19:10, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't know anything about this topic, but I find it curious that, according to this article, "in the early 1990s, many Armenians arrived in the U.S. as refugees of the Armenian-Azeri War", which war, according to its own article, took place seven decades prior. Mike R ( talk) 21:12, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
They came after the earthquake (Nov. 1988). California had an Armenian governor ( George Deukmejian) and they poured in as refugees, got government assistance, etc. 66.214.187.229 ( talk) 23:00, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
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Would Armenians be considered Caucasian people? I have heard most opinions noting they are, but someone said on Huffington Post that quite a few are mixed and would therefore be Middle Eastern. 108.93.72.117 ( talk) 03:29, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
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I'll be glad to take this review. I'll do a close readthrough in the coming days, noting any issues here that I can't easily fix myself, and then go to the criteria checklist. Thanks in advance for your work on this one! -- Khazar2 ( talk) 06:40, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
This looks broad in coverage and contains a lot of useful information. It's clear that a lot of hard work went into this one. I do have some initial concerns about prose quality which I'll discuss in detail below.
To summarize the two biggest issues I see for now:
I'll put this on hold for a week to give you a chance to address these issues. I do think there's enough quality material here for a Good Article--it's just a question of reworking it to meet the above criteria. Thanks again for your work! -- Khazar2 ( talk) 03:55, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
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Though I think this article is improving, I'm continuing to find a serious number of grammatical and spelling issues in the prose: sentence fragments; misused colons and semicolons; problems with plurals; and wrong, misused, or missing words. This diff shows examples of the kind of issues I'm finding, [5] and some issues I wasn't able to fix myself are list above. There are also some smaller issues with sourcing and with WP:WTA.
Since the issues seem extensive, I'm closing this review for now with the recommendation that this be resubmitted once it's had a thorough copyedit from someone at the Guild of Copyeditors or another source. (The reliable source issues need to be addressed, too, but seem much more manageable.) I made it about a third of the way through the article, which will hopefully reduce the workload for the next editor to tackle this. This article's clearly on its way to becoming a Good Article, even if it's not quite there yet. Thanks for all your work on it, and good luck with the next round, -- Khazar2 ( talk) 03:59, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
The source is available here. The quote stating that the Armenian immigration was a result of instability in those countries:
“ | The Armenian emigration from Egypt since 1952, in 1958-1961 from Syria, since 1960 from the USSR, Greece, Turkey, Lebanon, since 1979 from Iran, later from Jordan and Iraq were consequence of economic and political instability in those countries (արտագաղթը հետևանք էր վերոհիշյալ երկրների տնտեսական և քաղաքական անկայուն գործընթացների). | ” |
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I am starting a review on this article. North8000 ( talk) 12:03, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
This one has been a bit slower going than usual for me. It has an immense amount of work and good material, very well sourced. My first gut feel is to wodner / ask whether there could be a bit more coverage on cultural / cultural traditions. I really didn't notice such but will need to read it a couple more times to be sure. Also I was thinking that the wording could use a bit of wikifying in a few places, but I'd be happy to help there. In any case, neither is serious enough to non-pass GA, but they may be good to discuss. Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 20:53, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Subsequent to my "first impression" comments, I now believe that it covers a bit more in those areas than my first impression. To the point where I think that while those additions would certainly fill a "weak spot" they are not necessary to pass GA. There is one other thing that I noticed in several places (in a minor way) that could use a little work, but not necessary to pass GA. I'm noto sure whetehr it is a matter of language fluency or careful extraction from the source, but it seems to make a lot of statements in a brief categorical way where such makes them a bit of a reach. On the ones where I noticed this, the sources were off line so I couldn't readily go there. But again, these are too minor to affect GA passage. So, after fixing that one specific open item,, I could pass this as a GA, or else, if you prefer, could bring up / work with you on those other areas after which it would pass a "tougher level" of GA review. Thoughts? Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 13:21, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
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I reverted your edit in American Armenian tempale, because Kim was one of the most famous persons and the fact what her figure is some controversial, she is still very very popular and famous, much more poplural than everyone in that list.
@Δαβίδ: Hmm. Uneditable? Who said it should be editable? You are free to make a new collage. This discussion can last forever. And the only way I see reaching a consensus is a poll. If you don't see polling a good option then I don't know what to say.
Again, being famous doesn't not make one a notable and guarantee them a place in the infobox collage. So what she has likes on Facebook and followers on Twitter? I can give you examples of fake accounts on Twitter that have millions of followers. Should we make articles on them? Popularity in the 21st century means nothing. I can do something crazy, record it, upload it to YouTube and become famous. Do I become a notable? No. And thank you Хаченци. Exactly what I wanted to say. -- Երևանցի talk 16:07, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
I haven't been able to take the time to figure out.....is this a case of needing to bump other people to put her in, or just of the addition? North8000 (
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The reason why I asked was to see if the specific proposed or tried change involved bumping somebody else off the collage. If it did not involve bumping someone else, them my opinion would be to include her. She is VERY famous, even if for dumb and superficial reasons and IMHO "very famous" is a good criteria. Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 17:03, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
I don't think this discussion is going anywhere. It is clear that we have worldview differences. Δαβίδ and North8000 say Kim Kardashian is very famous, therefore she should be included in the collage. Хаченци and I think that popularity is not a good criteria and as Хаченци pointed out Famous for being famous is not enough for her inclusion. -- Երևանցի talk 02:45, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Answering the question above, the most common way to get broader input is via a wp:RFC. North8000 ( talk) 12:46, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
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Shall an image of Kim Kardashian be included in the collage in the article's infobox? North8000 ( talk) 02:32, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
I think that it is accepted / taken as a given by the parties in the discussion that she is Armenian, and that the addition would be an expansion rather than removing another image to put her's in. I posted a notice at the Project:Armenia talk page North8000 ( talk) 02:45, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
(BTW I had planned to just facilitate the RFC without actually commenting. But when it went 6 days with no respondents, I commented to try to start the process, which is what happened.)
The RFC has run for 30 days and the bot just removed the template. Regarding arguments/points made, no policy / guideline aspects were discussed and I believe that they are not in play here. So this is a generally matter of editorial discretion. Many of the arguments emphasized that she has not done significant things, and that she is very famous, (and those two statements were not contested.) So it became a matter of editor discretion and editor values on whether or not to include someone which is very famous but who has not done significant useful things.
5 persons supported inclusion of her image in the collage and 3 persons supported exclusion. Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 12:06, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
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