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Good article criteria. In reviewing the article, I have found there are a number of issues that need to be addressed. As many sports related GAs are unmaintained and not improved, I will be providing only a cursory review to begin with. This review will be placed on the talk page and I will notify the wikiprojects involved (not necessarily at the same time). The article will then have seven days from the day of notification for someone to come forward and start making the suggested changes and taking responsibility for the article here. If someone comes forward, I will supply a more detailed review, if someone does not then the article will be delisted. If someone is working on the article then, within reason, there will be no time limit in which the changes have to be made.--
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(de-indent) That's exactly it - I wouldn't class any of those sources as reliable, apart from the Independent, but that ref doesn't discuss his personal life. Goal.com comes closest but FAC discussions on sourcing have come to the conclusion that it should only be used for straightforward uncontroversial information. If this is a dealbreaker then I'll have to abandon my attempts to keep it at GA. My familiarity with Robben is only as a general football fan. To get anything reliable for personal life I'm pretty sure I'd need sources in Dutch, which I don't speak. Oldelpaso ( talk) 07:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
OK, in summary, I am still very unhappy about the poor state of the personal life section. However, as the barest of are minimums I will pass it for now (although I expect that in the future it will have to be expanded or the article will face delisting). In particular, I'd expect to see more about advertisements he has appeared in and products he has endorsed.-- Jackyd101 ( talk) 20:34, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
In order for an article on a sports person to qualify for GA, it must contain information on their life outside sports (per this discussion). This can be incorporated into the article in a number of ways, of which the most common (but by no means the only) is to provide two sections. One immediately under the introduction that describes the person's early life prior to their sporting career, and a second after their career to date is described, that covers non-sporting information during their career (and possibly afterwards). These sections should be formed of at least one (and preferably more) complete paragraphs of several sentences, written in readable prose and properly referenced to reliable sources. A good example of this can be seen at Brian Urlacher.
For some sports people (e.g. David Beckham), their life outside of their sporting career is a significant part of their notability: these are special cases which have to be dealt with individually. However, the non-sporting life of all sports persons, alive or dead, is relevant and important to their article - these are biographies, not descriptions solely of their sporting achievements.
Examples of what to include (this list is by no means exhaustive, neither is it a checklist. Not all of this information has to be included, just anything that applies to the person in question):
As mentioned, this list is far from exhaustive and neither is everything on it essential: its more a guide providing ideas for research into the person's life outside sports. For any contemporary or recent sports person, google should provide enough to develop a basic section and for older ones, news articles and books can give plenty of information about their personal lives.
Some sports people are known for a determination to keep their private life private and it may be that very little information can be found about them. In such cases, there will be sources discussing their reluctance to release details about their private life and these can be used as sources in a paragraph talking about their efforts to avoid publicity.-- Jackyd101 ( talk) 18:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
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Hi, I am reviewing this article as part of
Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the
Good article criteria. In reviewing the article, I have found there are a number of issues that need to be addressed. As many sports related GAs are unmaintained and not improved, I will be providing only a cursory review to begin with. This review will be placed on the talk page and I will notify the wikiprojects involved (not necessarily at the same time). The article will then have seven days from the day of notification for someone to come forward and start making the suggested changes and taking responsibility for the article here. If someone comes forward, I will supply a more detailed review, if someone does not then the article will be delisted. If someone is working on the article then, within reason, there will be no time limit in which the changes have to be made.--
Jackyd101 (
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00:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
(de-indent) That's exactly it - I wouldn't class any of those sources as reliable, apart from the Independent, but that ref doesn't discuss his personal life. Goal.com comes closest but FAC discussions on sourcing have come to the conclusion that it should only be used for straightforward uncontroversial information. If this is a dealbreaker then I'll have to abandon my attempts to keep it at GA. My familiarity with Robben is only as a general football fan. To get anything reliable for personal life I'm pretty sure I'd need sources in Dutch, which I don't speak. Oldelpaso ( talk) 07:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
OK, in summary, I am still very unhappy about the poor state of the personal life section. However, as the barest of are minimums I will pass it for now (although I expect that in the future it will have to be expanded or the article will face delisting). In particular, I'd expect to see more about advertisements he has appeared in and products he has endorsed.-- Jackyd101 ( talk) 20:34, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
In order for an article on a sports person to qualify for GA, it must contain information on their life outside sports (per this discussion). This can be incorporated into the article in a number of ways, of which the most common (but by no means the only) is to provide two sections. One immediately under the introduction that describes the person's early life prior to their sporting career, and a second after their career to date is described, that covers non-sporting information during their career (and possibly afterwards). These sections should be formed of at least one (and preferably more) complete paragraphs of several sentences, written in readable prose and properly referenced to reliable sources. A good example of this can be seen at Brian Urlacher.
For some sports people (e.g. David Beckham), their life outside of their sporting career is a significant part of their notability: these are special cases which have to be dealt with individually. However, the non-sporting life of all sports persons, alive or dead, is relevant and important to their article - these are biographies, not descriptions solely of their sporting achievements.
Examples of what to include (this list is by no means exhaustive, neither is it a checklist. Not all of this information has to be included, just anything that applies to the person in question):
As mentioned, this list is far from exhaustive and neither is everything on it essential: its more a guide providing ideas for research into the person's life outside sports. For any contemporary or recent sports person, google should provide enough to develop a basic section and for older ones, news articles and books can give plenty of information about their personal lives.
Some sports people are known for a determination to keep their private life private and it may be that very little information can be found about them. In such cases, there will be sources discussing their reluctance to release details about their private life and these can be used as sources in a paragraph talking about their efforts to avoid publicity.-- Jackyd101 ( talk) 18:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)