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The first top-level heading on Aristotle's thought is entitled "Speculative philosophy." Yet, neither the article nor the child-articles linked as "Main articles" address the meaning of the term "speculative."
Its usage here, although at odds with the common English definition, largely accords with that of post-Kantian German Idealists. Yet, the etymology of the term goes back to Latin (speculatio, to observe), not Greek.
How did it come to be applied to Aristotle's logic and metaphysics? I am curious myself, and probably other readers are as well—even if it merits only a footnote. Patrick J. Welsh ( talk) 18:51, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
I'm making this topic because there's been a little back and forth here and I want to let people raise objections here if they have them. I don't particularly have a strong opinion on the use of one of these words over the other in the short description, I think "philosopher" is necessary and should come first (as it's what google and others pull from) but either of the other options are fine if people want them - polymath works if we're considering an older use of the word (someone who has learned about a lot of different things) rather than someone like da Vinci, and scientist makes sense if we're looking at common usage today but might seem misleading or out of place applied to someone from Ancient Greece. I've kept polymath as the word that was there originally, and moved the list of topics covered even closer to the beginning of the article, which I think makes the interpretation clearer (addressing my own concerns with it) and also matches the guidelines in the manual of style. I've added a bit about science to the end of that paragraph because that does seem to make sense to include as well in the proper context.
I've also moved the Plato mention a bit later as it's already discussed in the following paragraph and I think that if we apply general style guidelines, each paragraph should have a discrete topic. The rest of the lead might need some maintenance as well along the same logic but I don't want to change to many things before letting people discuss it. - car chasm ( talk) 20:25, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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The first top-level heading on Aristotle's thought is entitled "Speculative philosophy." Yet, neither the article nor the child-articles linked as "Main articles" address the meaning of the term "speculative."
Its usage here, although at odds with the common English definition, largely accords with that of post-Kantian German Idealists. Yet, the etymology of the term goes back to Latin (speculatio, to observe), not Greek.
How did it come to be applied to Aristotle's logic and metaphysics? I am curious myself, and probably other readers are as well—even if it merits only a footnote. Patrick J. Welsh ( talk) 18:51, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
I'm making this topic because there's been a little back and forth here and I want to let people raise objections here if they have them. I don't particularly have a strong opinion on the use of one of these words over the other in the short description, I think "philosopher" is necessary and should come first (as it's what google and others pull from) but either of the other options are fine if people want them - polymath works if we're considering an older use of the word (someone who has learned about a lot of different things) rather than someone like da Vinci, and scientist makes sense if we're looking at common usage today but might seem misleading or out of place applied to someone from Ancient Greece. I've kept polymath as the word that was there originally, and moved the list of topics covered even closer to the beginning of the article, which I think makes the interpretation clearer (addressing my own concerns with it) and also matches the guidelines in the manual of style. I've added a bit about science to the end of that paragraph because that does seem to make sense to include as well in the proper context.
I've also moved the Plato mention a bit later as it's already discussed in the following paragraph and I think that if we apply general style guidelines, each paragraph should have a discrete topic. The rest of the lead might need some maintenance as well along the same logic but I don't want to change to many things before letting people discuss it. - car chasm ( talk) 20:25, 14 January 2023 (UTC)