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In Turkey tour they played with Fener Bax? It should be Fenerbahce SK. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.171.98.69 ( talk) 12:57, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
According to the official statistics by Superleague, the official organization for greek football, Aris F.C. is the second biggest club in Thessaloniki, the capital of Macedonia, and the fifth at the other parts of Macedonia and not first as indicated in the article. All information can be found at the online research results presentation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.203.142.127 ( talk) 19:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
This research is totally unreliable. The sample is 1616 people. 110 people of the sample come from Xanthi (~7% of the sample) when Xanthi has 100.000 people (~1% of Greece's total population). 130 people of the sample were from Larissa (8% of the sample - ~2,5% of Greece's total population). 85 of the people asked are from Iraklion (~5% of the sample) when the total population of Iraklio is 300000 people (~2,7% of Greece total population). 120 people from Peloponnisos are asked (~7% of hte sample of 1616 people) while Peloponnisos has almost 1.2 million people (~11% of Greece's total population). 80 of the people that took part in this research come from Corfu (~5% of the sample) while Corfu has 110000 residents (~1% of Greece's total population). 85.73.7.254 ( talk) 18:59, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't deal at all with the two relegations and 80% of the text is about 1920s and 1930s. Also the notable players section is supposed to be about notable not all foreign players who played for the team -- Ioannes Tzimiskes ( talk) 16:32, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
I agree so i removed some of them.I can't understand why players like Decamps,Fomubond,Taglani and Martinez are consider as notable...Ήμαρτον.
This article has huge neutrality issues. It is written entirely as a fan article. Just a few examples:
-"The leading star of Thessaloniki and untamed in the rest of Greece, Aris shone in all athletic activities. In water sports, in basketball and in track and field Aris was synonymous to being first, to being the Champion. ": This is not only melodramatic, but also unrelated to the article, which is about the FOOTBALL club, as well as completely unsupported by the facts.
-"The local championships he won were countless": They can certainly be counted, how about some numbers?
-"Beginning in 1923, when he won his first title, until 1959, when local tournaments ceased, the club rarely finished second or third.": Absolutely not true. The article says they only won 3 "championships", with only 2 more participating teams. And who is "he"?
-" Aris was even demoted to the Second Division twice, due to bad management". That is certainly an opinion of the authors. The club was relegated because of bad performance and hooliganist action by their fans, which brought the club's punishment.
-Also, the two recent relegations are only mentioned in passing.
-"With regard to a period that gave birth to the big stars that shone in the stadiums of that era. The Vikelidis brothers, like the Andrianopoulos brothers in Olympiakos, are names often remembered. The patriarch of the family, Kostas, the unsurpassed in technique midfielder Nikoforos, the “Human Tornado” as Kleanthis used to be known, and leaving for last, but certainly not least, the “Macedonian Armored Vehicle”, the youngest of the family, Kitsos, also known as the “Terrorist” of opponent goalkeepers and by many other nicknames that were given to him by the press. Let us not forget Aggelakis, whose football shoe was carried around by his admirers, Kaltekis, Papas, the Koloniari brothers, Katrantzos, Danelian, Koublis and so many others, most of who sent their spirits to guard present day ARIS.": Simply not serious enough!
-"a success that was underlined by the titan efforts of Vikelidis, Tsonas, Magras, Abrachamian, Siotis, Nikolaidis, Kaftatzis, Kaftatzis II, Liakopoulos, Vasiliadis, Velliadis and Koloniaris. These semi-gods led the god of war to the Champion’s throne for the third time.": Same thing.
-"But there came a day when all these giants of football that made ARIS such a great team stopped playing.": Same thing. Most of these players are completely non-notable.
-"Local newspapers “MACEDONIA”, “THE LIGHT”, “PEOPLE’S VOICE” as well as the Athenian papers wrote triumphant headlines to mark the “yellow’s” major success": References???
-"In the first match Aris played against Panathinaikos, who was rescued from contrition by referee Zapardas, who force the “yellows” to an unjust draw (1-1)": Again, this is a fan comment.
-"The “yellows” fans also take pride in the fact that Aris was the main domestic club of Greece's Euro 2004 goal scoring hero Angelos Charisteas.": Charisteas was playing in Germany at the time, not in Aris.
These are only some of numerous similar problems with this article. It must be entirely rewritten to meet wikipedia standards or deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Allinthebrain ( talk • contribs) 23:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
( IWMYS ( talk) 03:46, 10 April 2009 (UTC))
Aris has also won a Second division championship in 1998. Do not delete it from the honours section.
the statment tha olympiakos, panthinaikos and aek are rivals of aris its not true, these are just difficult games with big teams. These big teams can't be the rival of all teams the only teams that can be called rivals of aris is PAOK and maybe Iraklis in fact at olympiakos article, at the part of rivalies there is no mension of aris, and if olympiakos is not rival of aris the panathinaikos and aek there are not either
stop putting olympiakos aek and panathinaikos as rivals of aris, THEY ARE NOT —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipaok ( talk • contribs) 20:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
The table for all European games played currently uses background colours to give a quick indication of whether the team has won or lost. This is then augmented, for some reason, by a tick or a cross in a final column to indicate this again. I removed the ticks and crosses as this is stating the same information twice, but this was undone. The editor who did this commented on my talk page that this double marking system is used on the pages for other Greek clubs, but since none of these have reached good article status, let alone featured article I don't feel that this is a very good precedent to use. Dancarney ( talk) 10:56, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
For the record, I believe these symbols are totally unneccesary, and tbh, it does take a while to work out what on earth they are for. People are not idiots; they can work out for themselves whether the team was eliminated or not by looking at the score! пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 09:14, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
I've removed an image showing what puports to be the Aris line-up from the players section. As this will change game-by-game it is very recentist, and as such should be discouraged. Secondly, without sources explicitly stating line-up, formation, etc, (rather than compiling appearance data from the current season) this is original research. Ilikeeatingwaffles ( talk) 08:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Obviously, there are no standard (at least yet) criteria as to whom is notable. Also, every recent award in Greece does no justice to players before 1959, when the Championship format changed. I think that some criteria for inclusion would be, to include:
- national championship and cup winning squads
- players who were later managers of the club, as they spent their lives associated to the club and its fate,
however, there are also squads that were tied for the 1st place in the national championship (1980) or cup finalists or regional and/or local championships before 1959. Not to mention the squads that promoted the team back to Alpha Ethniki from the lower division, or the squad winning the cup of Greater Greece, or the squad that got the team into the new format of Alpha Ethniki in 1959 by securing the 6th place in the national championship of 1958-1959.
So, basically, where do we draw the line? Comments (in good faith) are requested.
Obviously, squads that got the team in Beta Ethniki are not notable (or could be in a negative way).... 46.177.37.19 ( talk) 16:26, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
12:04, 16 January 2012 Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk | contribs) (96,909 bytes) (Added {{ref improve}} tag to article (TW)) 12:03, 16 January 2012 Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk | contribs) (96,875 bytes) (no flags in infoboxes - WP:MOSFLAG) 22:04, 9 January 2012 Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk | contribs) (88,122 bytes) (nickname shouldn't be first thing in lead) 22:02, 9 January 2012 Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk | contribs) (88,124 bytes) (→Other information: replace table with text) 21:56, 9 January 2012 Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk | contribs) (88,642 bytes) (→Board of Directors: pretty sure that the ground isn't on the board) 21:53, 9 January 2012 Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk | contribs) (88,772 bytes) (→Performance: {{splitto}} - cf List of Liverpool F.C. seasons - this section is massively and unweildy) 21:49, 9 January 2012 Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk | contribs) (88,734 bytes) (Undid revision 470503220 by 46.177.2.152 (talk) contravenes WP:MOSICON - do not use images this way) 19:37, 9 January 2012 Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk | contribs) (87,261 bytes) (→Honours: images go against WP:MOSICON) 13:24, 9 November 2011 Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk | contribs) (81,392 bytes) (no flags in infoboxes - WP:MOSFLAG - for the umpteenth time!) 09:47, 25 October 2011 Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk | contribs) (80,565 bytes) (no flags in infoboxes - WP:MOSFLAG) 09:27, 31 August 2011 Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk | contribs) (67,484 bytes) (→Notable former players: tag)
The majority of such lists feature players who made international cap(s) when playing for the club and players with 100+ league appearances for the club. For consistensy, I think the same should be done here. Cheers. – Kosm 1 fent 16:37, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Someone has added a split tag, but there does not seem to be a discussion. Since the article is large enough to warrant splitting, I am going ahead and splitting it. Op47 ( talk) 13:27, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Seems a bit silly. Reaper7 ( talk) 14:03, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Removed Vandalization in the text.
The name of the coach Thomas Kössler has been changed in January 2014, id 590746760. Glyxbaer ( talk) 13:40, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. The consensus is that the Thessaloniki club is the primary topic for "Aris F.C." The dab page will be moved to Aris F.C. (disambiguation) and then deleted, it can be covered by hatnotes. Jenks24 ( talk) 02:30, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Aris F.C. (Thessaloniki) →
Aris F.C. – This has been back and forth between the two names a couple of times, so is clearly not uncontroversial and needs an RM to determine where it should sit. I have no strong opinions one way or the other but we need to come to consensus here rather than editors moving the page back and forth.
Fenix down (
talk)
13:22, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Wish we could have figured this out a month ago, but such is life. Jenks24 ( talk) 14:28, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Aris F.C. →
Aris Thessaloniki F.C. – I belive that the correct title for the article is Aris Thessaloniki F.C. in accordance with the
UEFA like
AEK Athens F.C. (
[2]). --
IM-yb (
talk) 00:39, 15 November 2015 (UTC) --Relisted.
Natg 19 (
talk)
01:27, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
I think, in the past RM checked only the official website of the club and not the UEFA and other sources in english ( independent.co.uk, gettyimages.co.uk). The main sources in english don't use "Aris FC". The departments of the club ( fibaeurope.com) referred to as Aris Thessaloniki ( eurosport.co.uk) or Aris Salonica (or Salonika). Not Aris FC (BC and others). That is only the translation in the official website of the club. UEFA, Euroleague Basketball and others contain the geographical qualifier of the club. -- IM-yb ( talk) 17:50, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
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In Turkey tour they played with Fener Bax? It should be Fenerbahce SK. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.171.98.69 ( talk) 12:57, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
According to the official statistics by Superleague, the official organization for greek football, Aris F.C. is the second biggest club in Thessaloniki, the capital of Macedonia, and the fifth at the other parts of Macedonia and not first as indicated in the article. All information can be found at the online research results presentation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.203.142.127 ( talk) 19:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
This research is totally unreliable. The sample is 1616 people. 110 people of the sample come from Xanthi (~7% of the sample) when Xanthi has 100.000 people (~1% of Greece's total population). 130 people of the sample were from Larissa (8% of the sample - ~2,5% of Greece's total population). 85 of the people asked are from Iraklion (~5% of the sample) when the total population of Iraklio is 300000 people (~2,7% of Greece total population). 120 people from Peloponnisos are asked (~7% of hte sample of 1616 people) while Peloponnisos has almost 1.2 million people (~11% of Greece's total population). 80 of the people that took part in this research come from Corfu (~5% of the sample) while Corfu has 110000 residents (~1% of Greece's total population). 85.73.7.254 ( talk) 18:59, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't deal at all with the two relegations and 80% of the text is about 1920s and 1930s. Also the notable players section is supposed to be about notable not all foreign players who played for the team -- Ioannes Tzimiskes ( talk) 16:32, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
I agree so i removed some of them.I can't understand why players like Decamps,Fomubond,Taglani and Martinez are consider as notable...Ήμαρτον.
This article has huge neutrality issues. It is written entirely as a fan article. Just a few examples:
-"The leading star of Thessaloniki and untamed in the rest of Greece, Aris shone in all athletic activities. In water sports, in basketball and in track and field Aris was synonymous to being first, to being the Champion. ": This is not only melodramatic, but also unrelated to the article, which is about the FOOTBALL club, as well as completely unsupported by the facts.
-"The local championships he won were countless": They can certainly be counted, how about some numbers?
-"Beginning in 1923, when he won his first title, until 1959, when local tournaments ceased, the club rarely finished second or third.": Absolutely not true. The article says they only won 3 "championships", with only 2 more participating teams. And who is "he"?
-" Aris was even demoted to the Second Division twice, due to bad management". That is certainly an opinion of the authors. The club was relegated because of bad performance and hooliganist action by their fans, which brought the club's punishment.
-Also, the two recent relegations are only mentioned in passing.
-"With regard to a period that gave birth to the big stars that shone in the stadiums of that era. The Vikelidis brothers, like the Andrianopoulos brothers in Olympiakos, are names often remembered. The patriarch of the family, Kostas, the unsurpassed in technique midfielder Nikoforos, the “Human Tornado” as Kleanthis used to be known, and leaving for last, but certainly not least, the “Macedonian Armored Vehicle”, the youngest of the family, Kitsos, also known as the “Terrorist” of opponent goalkeepers and by many other nicknames that were given to him by the press. Let us not forget Aggelakis, whose football shoe was carried around by his admirers, Kaltekis, Papas, the Koloniari brothers, Katrantzos, Danelian, Koublis and so many others, most of who sent their spirits to guard present day ARIS.": Simply not serious enough!
-"a success that was underlined by the titan efforts of Vikelidis, Tsonas, Magras, Abrachamian, Siotis, Nikolaidis, Kaftatzis, Kaftatzis II, Liakopoulos, Vasiliadis, Velliadis and Koloniaris. These semi-gods led the god of war to the Champion’s throne for the third time.": Same thing.
-"But there came a day when all these giants of football that made ARIS such a great team stopped playing.": Same thing. Most of these players are completely non-notable.
-"Local newspapers “MACEDONIA”, “THE LIGHT”, “PEOPLE’S VOICE” as well as the Athenian papers wrote triumphant headlines to mark the “yellow’s” major success": References???
-"In the first match Aris played against Panathinaikos, who was rescued from contrition by referee Zapardas, who force the “yellows” to an unjust draw (1-1)": Again, this is a fan comment.
-"The “yellows” fans also take pride in the fact that Aris was the main domestic club of Greece's Euro 2004 goal scoring hero Angelos Charisteas.": Charisteas was playing in Germany at the time, not in Aris.
These are only some of numerous similar problems with this article. It must be entirely rewritten to meet wikipedia standards or deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Allinthebrain ( talk • contribs) 23:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
( IWMYS ( talk) 03:46, 10 April 2009 (UTC))
Aris has also won a Second division championship in 1998. Do not delete it from the honours section.
the statment tha olympiakos, panthinaikos and aek are rivals of aris its not true, these are just difficult games with big teams. These big teams can't be the rival of all teams the only teams that can be called rivals of aris is PAOK and maybe Iraklis in fact at olympiakos article, at the part of rivalies there is no mension of aris, and if olympiakos is not rival of aris the panathinaikos and aek there are not either
stop putting olympiakos aek and panathinaikos as rivals of aris, THEY ARE NOT —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipaok ( talk • contribs) 20:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
The table for all European games played currently uses background colours to give a quick indication of whether the team has won or lost. This is then augmented, for some reason, by a tick or a cross in a final column to indicate this again. I removed the ticks and crosses as this is stating the same information twice, but this was undone. The editor who did this commented on my talk page that this double marking system is used on the pages for other Greek clubs, but since none of these have reached good article status, let alone featured article I don't feel that this is a very good precedent to use. Dancarney ( talk) 10:56, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
For the record, I believe these symbols are totally unneccesary, and tbh, it does take a while to work out what on earth they are for. People are not idiots; they can work out for themselves whether the team was eliminated or not by looking at the score! пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 09:14, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
I've removed an image showing what puports to be the Aris line-up from the players section. As this will change game-by-game it is very recentist, and as such should be discouraged. Secondly, without sources explicitly stating line-up, formation, etc, (rather than compiling appearance data from the current season) this is original research. Ilikeeatingwaffles ( talk) 08:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Obviously, there are no standard (at least yet) criteria as to whom is notable. Also, every recent award in Greece does no justice to players before 1959, when the Championship format changed. I think that some criteria for inclusion would be, to include:
- national championship and cup winning squads
- players who were later managers of the club, as they spent their lives associated to the club and its fate,
however, there are also squads that were tied for the 1st place in the national championship (1980) or cup finalists or regional and/or local championships before 1959. Not to mention the squads that promoted the team back to Alpha Ethniki from the lower division, or the squad winning the cup of Greater Greece, or the squad that got the team into the new format of Alpha Ethniki in 1959 by securing the 6th place in the national championship of 1958-1959.
So, basically, where do we draw the line? Comments (in good faith) are requested.
Obviously, squads that got the team in Beta Ethniki are not notable (or could be in a negative way).... 46.177.37.19 ( talk) 16:26, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
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The majority of such lists feature players who made international cap(s) when playing for the club and players with 100+ league appearances for the club. For consistensy, I think the same should be done here. Cheers. – Kosm 1 fent 16:37, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Someone has added a split tag, but there does not seem to be a discussion. Since the article is large enough to warrant splitting, I am going ahead and splitting it. Op47 ( talk) 13:27, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Seems a bit silly. Reaper7 ( talk) 14:03, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Removed Vandalization in the text.
The name of the coach Thomas Kössler has been changed in January 2014, id 590746760. Glyxbaer ( talk) 13:40, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. The consensus is that the Thessaloniki club is the primary topic for "Aris F.C." The dab page will be moved to Aris F.C. (disambiguation) and then deleted, it can be covered by hatnotes. Jenks24 ( talk) 02:30, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Aris F.C. (Thessaloniki) →
Aris F.C. – This has been back and forth between the two names a couple of times, so is clearly not uncontroversial and needs an RM to determine where it should sit. I have no strong opinions one way or the other but we need to come to consensus here rather than editors moving the page back and forth.
Fenix down (
talk)
13:22, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Wish we could have figured this out a month ago, but such is life. Jenks24 ( talk) 14:28, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Aris F.C. →
Aris Thessaloniki F.C. – I belive that the correct title for the article is Aris Thessaloniki F.C. in accordance with the
UEFA like
AEK Athens F.C. (
[2]). --
IM-yb (
talk) 00:39, 15 November 2015 (UTC) --Relisted.
Natg 19 (
talk)
01:27, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
I think, in the past RM checked only the official website of the club and not the UEFA and other sources in english ( independent.co.uk, gettyimages.co.uk). The main sources in english don't use "Aris FC". The departments of the club ( fibaeurope.com) referred to as Aris Thessaloniki ( eurosport.co.uk) or Aris Salonica (or Salonika). Not Aris FC (BC and others). That is only the translation in the official website of the club. UEFA, Euroleague Basketball and others contain the geographical qualifier of the club. -- IM-yb ( talk) 17:50, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
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