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Calling the first lunar landing of a Concstellation craft the seventh human landing on the moon is historically correct but it's mighty confusing when you read this without knowing everything about the Apollo missions. You have to put context in there, or call it the first lunar landing of the Constellation program or take out numbering. -- AlainV 04:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I was under the impression that all four crew members land, leaving the CEV tended from earth, in fact that exactly what this article says - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Surface_Access_Module
Anyone know definitively?
I've updated the list as per the latest Nasa PDF reference listed on the article. Of course, individual Orion missions must be updated now. Done some, but the articles are inconsistent now, and this must be solved. I think that the mission numbering and plans will change in the following years, so individual articles are still premature. Ricnun 14:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I saw the entry for Orion 14/LSAM 1B as a sort-of "rescue" flight for Orion 13/LSAM 1, but remember the step-by-step approach used by NASA for the Apollo Program in 1967-1970. Originally, Apollo 8 would have been the CSM/LM test flight in low-Earth orbit and Apollo 9 was to repeat the same process in high-Earth orbit. Because of issues regarding the LM in 1968, NASA, especially Dr. Robert Gilruth, Dr. Christopher Kraft, and Mr. George Low, had the boldness and the guts to get both President Lyndon Johnson and NASA Administrator James Webb to send Apollo 8 to both the Moon and the history books. As for the flight designation, I feel that NASA should stick to the term "Orion Rescue" and "LSAM Rescue" so that it would not be confused with the actual flights in progress.
While were on the subject of this revision of flight plans, I feel that NASA should resurrect the Apollo-style step-by-step approach designation for the Constellation Program. By dividing the phases of the program by a letter designation, it would allow NASA to focus on flights to both the ISS and the Moon, and later to Mars and beyond.
mass simulator and docking hardware)
There are serious discrepancies between what exists on this page and what exists on the mission pages, in terms of mission duration, expected launch dates, whether missions are manned or not... I suggest that someone verify that what exists on this page is the most up-to-date information we have, then modify the linking mission pages to reflect that information.
For example, Orion 2 on this page seems to indicate it will be manned, at least in the text. But its page says it is unmanned. Orion 3's information seems consistent. But Orion 4 has a launch date of 2014 (no month) and a ~90 day mission on this page, while its own page says it will launch in June of 2014 for a ~14 day mission. Orion 5 is similarly out of whack - launch in 2015 (no month) with a ~180 day mission, on its own page it says it will launch Sept 2014 on a ~14 day mission. Further on, the missions described for Orion 13 and Orion 15 - on their pages - seem to be describing identical mission.
I could go on, but you get the picture... The pages are in serious need of a clean-up. Canada Jack 15:57, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
I've reworked the table here based on a February 2009 schedule; it doesn't list anything after the end of 2020, so I've missed those off. Before I go and correct the various "Orion xx" articles, many of which have slipped a year again, I think it's worth wondering if there's really much point.
These articles are going to sit basically untouched for the next five to ten years, barring perhaps once a year pushing the estimated launch date back a bit - and that's if we notice to get it updated; this table's been wrong for six months. There's very little that can be said about any given one - it's a mission, it is currently projected to be flown in X year, it will be on Y booster, it will probably be used for a mission to Z. That's all that's in the available sources, and those sources themselves usually have a big asterisk saying "provisional" at the best of times... we're not actually going to be able to put meaningful solid content in these until, at the very earliest, 2013/14.
...so, thinking about it, this seems like a pretty good case for merging/redirecting those pages back in here. When we have more than a couple of sentences that can be written about an individual mission that distinguish it from all the others, sure, we can split it back out - but, at the moment, these fragmented individual pages really don't tell the reader anything at all. ( Orion 17 has been at AFD and seems likely to close as redirect, which is what got me thinking about this.)
Any thoughts? Shimgray | talk | 23:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
On the list of proposed constellation missions, it only goes up to orion 17 when other pages show up to orion 23, why is that? Gordomono ( talk) 06:17, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Could someone please tell me how there will be "ISS crew rotation" flights past 2016 if NASA has said they plan to deorbit the ISS by the first quarter of 2016? See article here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/12/AR2009071201977.html
thanks -- 350z33 ( talk) 22:31, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
wasn't it cancelled? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.78.102.247 ( talk) 15:49, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
I heard the same... :(
Sad news for lot of scientists! -- Csendesmark ( talk) 22:57, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
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I was going over this and I discovered that the unmanned Orion flight of 2014 actually took place, so I added it. Aside from the booster rocket, it was the exact same mission and within a month of the planned launch date, which if you think about it, is remarkable. The Ares 1X, was little more than a slightly modified shuttle SRB, which was launched as sort of a protest when the initial order for cancellation came down. Arglebargle79 ( talk) 21:21, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
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Calling the first lunar landing of a Concstellation craft the seventh human landing on the moon is historically correct but it's mighty confusing when you read this without knowing everything about the Apollo missions. You have to put context in there, or call it the first lunar landing of the Constellation program or take out numbering. -- AlainV 04:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I was under the impression that all four crew members land, leaving the CEV tended from earth, in fact that exactly what this article says - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Surface_Access_Module
Anyone know definitively?
I've updated the list as per the latest Nasa PDF reference listed on the article. Of course, individual Orion missions must be updated now. Done some, but the articles are inconsistent now, and this must be solved. I think that the mission numbering and plans will change in the following years, so individual articles are still premature. Ricnun 14:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I saw the entry for Orion 14/LSAM 1B as a sort-of "rescue" flight for Orion 13/LSAM 1, but remember the step-by-step approach used by NASA for the Apollo Program in 1967-1970. Originally, Apollo 8 would have been the CSM/LM test flight in low-Earth orbit and Apollo 9 was to repeat the same process in high-Earth orbit. Because of issues regarding the LM in 1968, NASA, especially Dr. Robert Gilruth, Dr. Christopher Kraft, and Mr. George Low, had the boldness and the guts to get both President Lyndon Johnson and NASA Administrator James Webb to send Apollo 8 to both the Moon and the history books. As for the flight designation, I feel that NASA should stick to the term "Orion Rescue" and "LSAM Rescue" so that it would not be confused with the actual flights in progress.
While were on the subject of this revision of flight plans, I feel that NASA should resurrect the Apollo-style step-by-step approach designation for the Constellation Program. By dividing the phases of the program by a letter designation, it would allow NASA to focus on flights to both the ISS and the Moon, and later to Mars and beyond.
mass simulator and docking hardware)
There are serious discrepancies between what exists on this page and what exists on the mission pages, in terms of mission duration, expected launch dates, whether missions are manned or not... I suggest that someone verify that what exists on this page is the most up-to-date information we have, then modify the linking mission pages to reflect that information.
For example, Orion 2 on this page seems to indicate it will be manned, at least in the text. But its page says it is unmanned. Orion 3's information seems consistent. But Orion 4 has a launch date of 2014 (no month) and a ~90 day mission on this page, while its own page says it will launch in June of 2014 for a ~14 day mission. Orion 5 is similarly out of whack - launch in 2015 (no month) with a ~180 day mission, on its own page it says it will launch Sept 2014 on a ~14 day mission. Further on, the missions described for Orion 13 and Orion 15 - on their pages - seem to be describing identical mission.
I could go on, but you get the picture... The pages are in serious need of a clean-up. Canada Jack 15:57, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
I've reworked the table here based on a February 2009 schedule; it doesn't list anything after the end of 2020, so I've missed those off. Before I go and correct the various "Orion xx" articles, many of which have slipped a year again, I think it's worth wondering if there's really much point.
These articles are going to sit basically untouched for the next five to ten years, barring perhaps once a year pushing the estimated launch date back a bit - and that's if we notice to get it updated; this table's been wrong for six months. There's very little that can be said about any given one - it's a mission, it is currently projected to be flown in X year, it will be on Y booster, it will probably be used for a mission to Z. That's all that's in the available sources, and those sources themselves usually have a big asterisk saying "provisional" at the best of times... we're not actually going to be able to put meaningful solid content in these until, at the very earliest, 2013/14.
...so, thinking about it, this seems like a pretty good case for merging/redirecting those pages back in here. When we have more than a couple of sentences that can be written about an individual mission that distinguish it from all the others, sure, we can split it back out - but, at the moment, these fragmented individual pages really don't tell the reader anything at all. ( Orion 17 has been at AFD and seems likely to close as redirect, which is what got me thinking about this.)
Any thoughts? Shimgray | talk | 23:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
On the list of proposed constellation missions, it only goes up to orion 17 when other pages show up to orion 23, why is that? Gordomono ( talk) 06:17, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Could someone please tell me how there will be "ISS crew rotation" flights past 2016 if NASA has said they plan to deorbit the ISS by the first quarter of 2016? See article here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/12/AR2009071201977.html
thanks -- 350z33 ( talk) 22:31, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
wasn't it cancelled? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.78.102.247 ( talk) 15:49, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
I heard the same... :(
Sad news for lot of scientists! -- Csendesmark ( talk) 22:57, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
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I was going over this and I discovered that the unmanned Orion flight of 2014 actually took place, so I added it. Aside from the booster rocket, it was the exact same mission and within a month of the planned launch date, which if you think about it, is remarkable. The Ares 1X, was little more than a slightly modified shuttle SRB, which was launched as sort of a protest when the initial order for cancellation came down. Arglebargle79 ( talk) 21:21, 6 August 2018 (UTC)